Why an eternal hell? (2)

[dollarsbill]

So if Hitler was ominpotent and righteous, he would have been justified in killing about six million people in the death camps?

None of that being the truth.

 

[dollarsbill]

If "die" doesn't mean the absence of life, then I don't know what it means.

You said it!

 

[holo]

You keep offering your opinion. It does not trump God's word.

That God is righteous is the bible's opinion.

Of course, it could be that we humans have absolutely NO idea what it could possibly mean to be righteous, though. I mean, there's no telling if Anders Behring Breivik was justified in killing 69 people over politics. Other than the fact that he's not God, apparently

 

[dollarsbill]

That God is righteous is the bible's opinion.

Whoa!!!

 

[holo]

None of that being the truth.

Exactly. Hitler wasn't justified in killing people (though he was about as as almighty as a man could be in that place at that time). That's why we say he wasn't righteous.

 

[dollarsbill]

Exactly. Hitler wasn't justified in killing people (though he was about as as almighty as a man could be in that place at that time). That's why we say he wasn't righteous.

Are you really comparing Hitler with God?

 

[createdtoworship]

What do you mean? That death and dying is the same thing?

Close enough for our purposes here.

 

[createdtoworship]

Alright, but the question is how the authors of the bible understand and use the term. That I don't know.

the lexicons are the closest resource we have to knowing how people actually used the word.

 

[createdtoworship]

It's like Pharoah in exodus. God hardened pharoah's heart, not by doing something directly in pharoah's heart, but through the actions of Moses and the miracles God allowed. God hardened Pharoah's heart indirectly. I see torment in hell as being imposed by God, by God completely removing Himself from the one in hell. Meaning His self removal causes torment. God torments by not doing anything. Thoughts? (assuming this is coherent) haha

actually I personally believe that God directly hardened pharoes heart.

 

[seeingeyes]

Are you really comparing Hitler with God?

There should be a pretty strong contrast in their actions, right?

 

[Black36]

actually I personally believe that God directly hardened pharoes heart.

We agree, I just see it being hardened by God leaving it alone.

 

[holo]

Are you really comparing Hitler with God?

What Hitler did is nothing compared to what God will do (is doing) to people. Hitler merely began God's work a little early, it's not like those people didn't deserve to be imprisoned, starved, tortured, gassed and burned.

 

[holo]

Close enough for our purposes here.

They're not close enough for any purpose. They're not in any way the same thing, and not used in the bible as the same thing. Those who are saved are given eternal life, they're not put in a state of ever becoming more alive but never actually getting to be alive.

 

[holo]

the lexicons are the closest resource we have to knowing how people actually used the word.

When it comes to understanding the bible we need to know how the words and terms were used at the time it was written, and the context. A dictionary tells us common uses and understanding of words now.

 

[Armistead14]

What Hitler did is nothing compared to what God will do (is doing) to people. Hitler merely began God's work a little early, it's not like those people didn't deserve to be imprisoned, starved, tortured, gassed and burned.

What Hitler did to 6 million Jews was terrible, but probably all but 1% of these rejected Christ, so yes, God will become more terrible than Hitler was, because his eternal torment will be just.

The Jews as a majority will face eternal torture, because they're trying to get to the father directly, not through the son, an eternal mistake. Hitler could only kill their bodies, God will torment their souls for all eternity.

 

[Black36]

What Hitler did is nothing compared to what God will do (is doing) to people. Hitler merely began God's work a little early, it's not like those people didn't deserve to be imprisoned, starved, tortured, gassed and burned.

On what grounds is what "God does to people" wrong?

 

[Black36]

"Hell is a good place because a good God made it. It's also good because a good thing happens there, and that good thing is justice."

- Greg Koukl

 

[Black36]

When it comes to understanding the bible we need to know how the words and terms were used at the time it was written, and the context. A dictionary tells us common uses and understanding of words now.

Can you give an example of this?

 

[createdtoworship]

When it comes to understanding the bible we need to know how the words and terms were used at the time it was written, and the context. A dictionary tells us common uses and understanding of words now.

a dictionary yes, not a lexicon. A lexicon like I said is the closest thing we have to the original text.

 

[holo]

On what grounds is what "God does to people" wrong?

On what grounds is torture right if God does it for eternity, but wrong if a human does it for a few years?