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Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

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So the ten commandments are no more?

What kind of foods do you like HBAT?

All the law hangs on Loving God with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul, all your strength, and having love for your neighbours, and our neighbours are the closest people next to us at any given time. Also we love our enemies (pray for them, and be kind to them no matter what they have done) We forgive and pray (God can turn enemies back around from being an enemy in the first place) God is pretty amazing. :)
 
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What is your favorite type of meat? Mikha'el?

I hardly eat meat but sometimes if the work place offers it at lunch time. My food that have been eating on every day involves, eggs, bread, potato for breakfast, fruit in the afternoon ( banana, orange, grapes, strawberries ), and like I said maybe mashed potatoes, fries, some type of meat at lunch time. Then snack on vanilla wayfarers, or animal crackers until bed or make a plate of breakfast again.

:p

I like chicken. :)
 
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Not really. We are in a global pandemic which started by eating an unclean animal.

Which may have more to do with the conditions it was in, rather than the type of animal it was.
 
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I like chicken. :)

Chicken fingers, Chicken breast, Chicken nuggets, Chicken legs, Chicken eggs. :D Im right there with you on that Mikha'el :p

Which may have more to do with the conditions it was in, rather than the type of animal it was.

What kind of food do you like Isilwen?

@imge The bat thing is just a rumor. : What kind of food do you like to eat?
 
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And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
— Mark 7:18-19
Thanks for the reply, Hammster
So God changed his mind on this one? And Jesus was talking about eating with unwashed hands in your reference. Don't know that he actually declared all foods clean.
 
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It clearly states in Deuteronomy 14:8 that we’re not to eat pork. In fact, Deuteronomy and Leviticus clearly state a lot of things that we don’t adhere to.

13:6 through18: We’re instructed to kill without mercy -even your own family members- anyone who tries to convince you to worship other gods.

17:2 through 13: Kill anyone who does evil-such as worshipping the stars- and violates the covenant. And if you’re not sure if the party is guilty, take it to court and if the Judge finds the party guilty and you refuse take part in stoning the defendant to death, then you should be killed too.

21:18: Kill your own son if he is rebellious.

Thou shalt not kill, but Deuteronomy, Leviticus, and Exodus is full of examples like this where we are to kill people for sinning. What about “as we forgive those who trespass against us”? I seem to have made executing people the theme here, but there are instructions/laws on other topics as well that we don’t follow, I’m assuming because they just don’t seem consistent with our faith.

So why is it OK to have a pork Bratwurst at the church fundraising event these days when God clearly forbids it?

You could argue that things were different back then and don’t apply today. But that would nullify the Ten Commandments. These laws I’m referring to were issued on the same day. They just didn’t make the top ten list.
Christians are no longer subject to food laws. If you are serious about obeying all 613 commandments, well good luck with that. It's impossible because the Levitical priesthood no longer exists. It is impossible because there is no tabernacle or temple. There is no altar to sacrifice animals. God made a covenant with Israel that included the 613 commandments. No other nation was bound by those laws. The New Covenant made by Lord Jesus with the Father does not include food laws either. The opposite. Read Colossians 2:16 to confirm that.
 
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Hello HBAT sir, would love to share with you this from Mark Chapter 7.

1 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus

2 and saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.

3 (The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders.

4 When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.)

5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”

6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’

8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”


9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’

11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)—

12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”


14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.” [16]

17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”
Thanks for the reply, Agallager.
See my answer to Hammster.
 
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Chicken fingers, Chicken breast, Chicken nuggets, Chicken legs, Chicken eggs. :D Im right there with you on that Mikha'el :p



What kind of food do you like Isilwen?

@imge The bat thing is just a rumor. : What kind of food do you like to eat?
The swine flu is another example- think they are all a coincidence?
 
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The question remains. If you know it's forbidden in Scripture, why are you doing it anyway?

All but the moral law is abrogated under the New Covenant...

We are no longer a nation with borders, so physical punishment for disobeying covenant law is abrogated - we now have excommunication in its place.

All ceremonial laws are abrogated, as we no longer have the physical temple, sacrifice, etc... we have the Lords Supper in place of sacrifice, which requires little ceremonial laws with few exceptions, we have our physical body in place of a temple, and our lives and worship in place of sacrifice - that is what separates us from the world, no ceremonial requirements necessary.

Jesus stated that what is unclean comes out of a man's heart Matthew 15:19-20, Paul stated there is no issues with eating meat 1 Corinthians 8:8, again, because it's not what goes into us that defiles a man...

Scholars across Christendom have read the Scriptures as being free to eat meat - even previously unclean meat - under the New Covenant.

In fact, Scriptures tell us that in the last days, people will try and convince God's people back into unnecessary food laws 1 Timothy 4:3... otherwise known as "doctrines of demons".
 
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A lot of the Law is designed to separate Israel from other nations. If you're thinking it's telling everyone how to live sinless, or it's all designed to be some moral enlightenment, that's not what it is. It's designed to help get the Israelite's focusing on the things that are right, which is worshipping God.
Sez who?

That's one of the reasons the Old Covenant is no more: now Jesus is the focus, not the Law. Jesus gets us focusing on God.
So the ten commandments are no more?
 
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God only forbid it for Israel, not for other nations, and not for Christians at all as we aren't under the Old Covenant.
How do you know this? And if this is so, wouldn't it render the ten commandments and just about everything in the OT as irrelevant?
 
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How do you know this? And if this is so, wouldn't it render the ten commandments and just about everything in the OT as irrelevant?
The 10 commandants are Gods eternal morals laws. Is it okay to lie, cheat, steal, vain His name etc. These are all still considered sin and the second covenant is the same laws of God but magnified.

Which is why we have this verse:

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

People miss so many important messages from the OT. Moses isn't just a story in the Bible, its a very important lesson for all and many parallels for living today.
 
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Thanks for the reply, Hammster
So God changed his mind on this one? And Jesus was talking about eating with unwashed hands in your reference. Don't know that he actually declared all foods clean.
Read Gen 9:3
 
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God knows what is best for us since He is our Creator. There is science that supports why the clean foods are healthy vs the ones we shouldn’t eat. God actually intended for us to only eat nuts, fruits and vegetables until sin.

Here is a video on this topic if you want some good information.

Program Archives | Revelation Now
thanks for the reply, imge.
But I only used the eating pork thing as a mild example. My point is that there are a lot of laws/regulations that God issued at the same time as the ten commandments yet we dismiss them (while at the same time honoring the ten commandments) because, well, they're kinda outrageous by today's standards. And we all know that there's no place for relativism in Christianity.
 
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Christians are no longer subject to food laws. If you are serious about obeying all 613 commandments, well good luck with that. It's impossible because the Levitical priesthood no longer exists. It is impossible because there is no tabernacle or temple. There is no altar to sacrifice animals. God made a covenant with Israel that included the 613 commandments. No other nation was bound by those laws. The New Covenant made by Lord Jesus with the Father does not include food laws either. The opposite. Read Colossians 2:16 to confirm that.
thanks for the reply Aussie Pete,
So those laws weren't meant for us then? Not even the ten commandments? And any time someone here refers to a passage from Leviticus to make his/her point we can dismiss it as irrelevant? In fact, unless your interested in learning about the history, anyone reading the Bible for guidance can just skip over Leviticus?
 
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thanks for the reply Aussie Pete,
So those laws weren't meant for us then? Not even the ten commandments? And any time someone here refers to a passage from Leviticus to make his/her point we can dismiss it as irrelevant? In fact, unless your interested in learning about the history, anyone reading the Bible for guidance can just skip over Leviticus?
And Exodus.
 
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All but the moral law is abrogated under the New Covenant...

We are no longer a nation with borders, so physical punishment for disobeying covenant law is abrogated - we now have excommunication in its place.

All ceremonial laws are abrogated, as we no longer have the physical temple, sacrifice, etc... we have the Lords Supper in place of sacrifice, which requires little ceremonial laws with few exceptions, we have our physical body in place of a temple, and our lives and worship in place of sacrifice - that is what separates us from the world, no ceremonial requirements necessary.

Jesus stated that what is unclean comes out of a man's heart Matthew 15:19-20, Paul stated there is no issues with eating meat 1 Corinthians 8:8, again, because it's not what goes into us that defiles a man...

Scholars across Christendom have read the Scriptures as being free to eat meat - even previously unclean meat - under the New Covenant.

In fact, Scriptures tell us that in the last days, people will try and convince God's people back into unnecessary food laws 1 Timothy 4:3... otherwise known as "doctrines of demons".
Thanks for the reply, Hazelponi.
I don't see that it says anywhere that "All but the moral law is abrogated".
 
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Thanks for the reply, Hazelponi.
I don't see that it says anywhere that "All but the moral law is abrogated".

It doesn't need to, it's called looking to the New Testament to see in what ways the New Covenant - brought to us by the life, death, and resurrection of Christ and taught to us by the Apostles and His Holy Spirit - changes from the Mosaic Covenant, which we are no longer under, as it's superseded by the New through the person and work of Jesus the Christ, our Messiah and Lord.
 
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