Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

[Hammster]

Do you understand what a parable means?

par·a·ble
/ˈperəb(ə)l/

noun

1. a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.

Perhaps Jesus had a deeper meaning?

Yes, I understand what parable means.

 

[Religiot]

And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
— Mark 7:18-19

Actually, that quotation is only found in modern bibles.

Here it is from one of the many, old-time, trusted translations:

"And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man." --Mark 7:17-23

 

[Hammster]

Misinterpretation of scripture. The conext was about eating food without washing of the hands. Also, the part in parenthesis was added later.

Mkay.

 

[Hammster]

Actually, that quotation is only found in modern bibles.

Here it is from one of the many, old-time, trusted translations:

"And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man." --Mark 7:17-23

Obviously it was found in some WAY older translations.

 

[Religiot]

So Jesus wants us to eat Bats, which is how Covid started? Bats are on the unclean list in the Bible. No father tells us you can eat anything you want and its okay. Have a gallon of ice cream before breakfast as long as you pray before. That is not what this verse means.

The verse hammster posted is only found in modern bibles.

Here it is from one of the many, old-time, tried and true translations:

"And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man." --Mark 7:17-23

As you can see, the modern version is actually a gross misrepresentation of what Christ actually says.

 

[Questioning Brother]

A large part of the Jewish law was a basic health code. At the time meat was generally cooked over an open fire. Pork, and most of the other meats mentioned, could not be cooked to safe temperatures consistently. Thus, they were forbidden. Other areas, were for identifying a simple skin infection from leprosy. The priests had todo that. I do believe even the Jews allow doctors to perform that task.
Someone else mentioned that we are not Jews, and thus not under that covenant. This is correct. Romans 2:25-29 is the example. It dealt with circumcision. It was Paul correcting them about making non-Jewish believers follow the Jewish laws. It is the same with the dietary laws.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Christians are no longer subject to food laws. If you are serious about obeying all 613 commandments, well good luck with that.

No one ever could obey all "613"...stop saying something that is not true and never was

 

[civilwarbuff]

It clearly states in Deuteronomy 14:8 that we’re not to eat pork. In fact, Deuteronomy and Leviticus clearly state a lot of things that we don’t adhere to.

13:6 through18: We’re instructed to kill without mercy -even your own family members- anyone who tries to convince you to worship other gods.

17:2 through 13: Kill anyone who does evil-such as worshipping the stars- and violates the covenant. And if you’re not sure if the party is guilty, take it to court and if the Judge finds the party guilty and you refuse take part in stoning the defendant to death, then you should be killed too.

21:18: Kill your own son if he is rebellious.

Thou shalt not kill, but Deuteronomy, Leviticus, and Exodus is full of examples like this where we are to kill people for sinning. What about “as we forgive those who trespass against us”? I seem to have made executing people the theme here, but there are instructions/laws on other topics as well that we don’t follow, I’m assuming because they just don’t seem consistent with our faith.

So why is it OK to have a pork Bratwurst at the church fundraising event these days when God clearly forbids it?

You could argue that things were different back then and don’t apply today. But that would nullify the Ten Commandments. These laws I’m referring to were issued on the same day. They just didn’t make the top ten list.

Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?
Because it is delicious?........just guessing here....

 

[Religiot]

Thanks for the reply, Hammster
So God changed his mind on this one? And Jesus was talking about eating with unwashed hands in your reference. Don't know that he actually declared all foods clean.

Actually, that reading isn't found, but in modern bibles:

Here it is, from one of the many trusted, old-time, bibles:

"And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man." --Mark 7:17-23

As you can see, the difference is gross, leading many to conclude that all foods are clean: this also, more harmfully, creates an immediate internal contradiction in the bible, which can cause many to doubt their faith altogether.

So this is actually a big deal.

 

[Cis.jd]

I'd love to stop eating pork, mainly because of how pigs are intelligent animals that really do feel. So, i feel really bad on how they are slaughtered.

However, in order for me to stop eating pork, the law will have to make it illegal. I can't resist bacon, bacon cheeseburger, or pork chops with a side of mashed potatoes and steam vegies.. with ice tea as a beveage, a nice shot of whiskey at the end to have a good night sleep.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Do

I guess for the same reason I don't go around killing people who don't worship the same God as me.

Do you think God was wrong to command it, or the scripture was wrong to record it?

 

[Aussie Pete]

No one ever could obey all "613"...stop saying something that is not true and never was

It was true under the old covenant. Sure not all laws applied to all people. Some were exclusively for women, priests or Nazarites. I was trying to make a point that the Law is no longer applicable to Christians. Perhaps you can clarify how many of the 613 applied to the average male Israelite? I'll use that number in future.

 

[ralliann]

It clearly states in Deuteronomy 14:8 that we’re not to eat pork. In fact, Deuteronomy and Leviticus clearly state a lot of things that we don’t adhere to.

13:6 through18: We’re instructed to kill without mercy -even your own family members- anyone who tries to convince you to worship other gods.

17:2 through 13: Kill anyone who does evil-such as worshipping the stars- and violates the covenant. And if you’re not sure if the party is guilty, take it to court and if the Judge finds the party guilty and you refuse take part in stoning the defendant to death, then you should be killed too.

21:18: Kill your own son if he is rebellious.

Thou shalt not kill, but Deuteronomy, Leviticus, and Exodus is full of examples like this where we are to kill people for sinning. What about “as we forgive those who trespass against us”? I seem to have made executing people the theme here, but there are instructions/laws on other topics as well that we don’t follow, I’m assuming because they just don’t seem consistent with our faith.

So why is it OK to have a pork Bratwurst at the church fundraising event these days when God clearly forbids it?

You could argue that things were different back then and don’t apply today. But that would nullify the Ten Commandments. These laws I’m referring to were issued on the same day. They just didn’t make the top ten list.

That is the law given to the nation of Israel.

 

[Soyeong]

It clearly states in Deuteronomy 14:8 that we’re not to eat pork. In fact, Deuteronomy and Leviticus clearly state a lot of things that we don’t adhere to.

13:6 through18: We’re instructed to kill without mercy -even your own family members- anyone who tries to convince you to worship other gods.

17:2 through 13: Kill anyone who does evil-such as worshipping the stars- and violates the covenant. And if you’re not sure if the party is guilty, take it to court and if the Judge finds the party guilty and you refuse take part in stoning the defendant to death, then you should be killed too.

21:18: Kill your own son if he is rebellious.

Thou shalt not kill, but Deuteronomy, Leviticus, and Exodus is full of examples like this where we are to kill people for sinning. What about “as we forgive those who trespass against us”? I seem to have made executing people the theme here, but there are instructions/laws on other topics as well that we don’t follow, I’m assuming because they just don’t seem consistent with our faith.

So why is it OK to have a pork Bratwurst at the church fundraising event these days when God clearly forbids it?

You could argue that things were different back then and don’t apply today. But that would nullify the Ten Commandments. These laws I’m referring to were issued on the same day. They just didn’t make the top ten list.

Jesus was not in disagreement with what the Father had commanded, but rather forgiving those who trespass against us is in in regard to personal offenses. In Numbers 35:31, it prohibits there being a ransom in the case of murderers, so the exception proves the rule that a ransom is permitted in other cases. The harshness of the prescribed penalty was to show the seriousness of the offense, while the light penalty given was to show the mercy of God. So Jews do not have a history of executing someone every time that God's law prescribed it, but usually imposed a fine instead. Furthermore, there were requirements that made executions rare, such as with no one being put to death without at least two or three witnesses, and with false witnesses being given the same penalty that the person that they testified against would have received. In fact, a Sanhedrin that executed someone once every 70 years was considered to be murderous, and there is no evidence that a rebellious son was ever executed.

Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4) and God's law prohibits eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11, Deuteronomy 14), so it is a sin to eat pork chops. Furthermore, in Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add to or subtract from God's law, so it is also a sin for someone to tell you that it is not a sin to eat pork chops. In Deuteronomy 13:4-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone was a false prophet who was not speaking for Him was if they taught against obeying His law, so God did not allow any room for His children to follow anything who says that it is not a sin to eat pork chops. In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, which includes refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45), so following those instructions is testifying about God's holiness, while not following those instructions is bearing false testimony against God's holiness.

 

[ralliann]

A lot of the Law is designed to separate Israel from other nations. If you're thinking it's telling everyone how to live sinless, or it's all designed to be some moral enlightenment, that's not what it is. It's designed to help get the Israelite's focusing on the things that are right, which is worshipping God.

That's one of the reasons the Old Covenant is no more: now Jesus is the focus, not the Law. Jesus gets us focusing on God.

The killing in the OT is justified when God commands it. It helps serve a purpose.

They also were called to bring Gods judgement on the nations. Those in Christ are under a new covenant.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Actually, that reading isn't found, but in modern bibles:

Here it is, from one of the many trusted, old-time, bibles:

"And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man." --Mark 7:17-23

As you can see, the difference is gross, leading many to conclude that all foods are clean: this also, more harmfully, creates an immediate internal contradiction in the bible, which can cause many to doubt their faith altogether.

So this is actually a big deal.

Luke 11:41 also confirms foods clean...

NASB
41
But give that which is within as a charitable gift, and then all things are clean for you.

KJV
41
But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It was true under the old covenant. Sure not all laws applied to all people. Some were exclusively for women, priests or Nazarites. I was trying to make a point that the Law is no longer applicable to Christians.

No, it was NEVER true...for the exact reasons you provided! If you were trying to make that point, then say that...

 

[Aussie Pete]

thanks for the reply Aussie Pete,
So those laws weren't meant for us then? Not even the ten commandments? And any time someone here refers to a passage from Leviticus to make his/her point we can dismiss it as irrelevant? In fact, unless your interested in learning about the history, anyone reading the Bible for guidance can just skip over Leviticus?

If you read the Sermon on the Mount, you will find what is a commentary by Jesus on the 10 commandments. The issue with the Law is not that it is too hard, in God's view it is too easy. It permits outward observance only. I've met Christians who obey the law perfectly. Yet they have hearts of stone, modern day Pharisees who seek any excuse to judge and condemn. I've met Christians who are rough and ready, but they know Jesus and love people not matter what or who they are. I know who I prefer to be around.

I exaggerated about the 613 laws, as I was reminded. Some apply only to women, for example. By all means read Leviticus. But read Galatians, Colossians and this:
1 Timothy 1
8Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. 9We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers,…

Those who are born again are the righteous. We need to walk in the Spirit and to love the brethren. Love is the fulfilment of the law. We cannot do that in our own power. So God has put His love in our hearts. We can and should learn to walk in love. It requires complete dependence on the Lord, who is our life now.

 

[Religiot]

Read Gen 9:3

Well, this is what it actually says:

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." --Genesis 9:3

ONLY CERTAIN KINDS OF PLANTS ARE TO BE EATEN BY MAN

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." --Genesis 1:29

BUT EVERY GREEN PLANT IS TO BE EATEN BY ANIMALS

"And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so." --Genesis 1:30

ONLY CERTAIN KINDS OF ANIMALS ARE CLEAN

"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female." --Genesis 7:2

NOAH SACRIFICED ONLY THE CLEAN ANIMALS

"And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar." --Genesis 8:20

ONLY AFTER THE CLEAN ANIMALS WERE ROASTED DID GOD COMMAND NOAH EAT FLESH LIKE HE DID THE GREEN HERBS--BY THE PRESCRIPTION OF GOD

"And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat." --Genesis 8:20-9:4

Therefore, not all plants are consumable, according to God, nor all animals, but only that which God has deemed as food can be consumed, period.

 

[ralliann]

So He only wants the Jews to be heathy?

And God never forbid poisonous herbs or vegetables either.