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Lastly, if you found out Christianity was true, would you be a Christian?
Which part of Christianity? There’s a lot that is mutually exclusive and just plain wrong.
 
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Obviously a figure of speech.
Like the Genesis account? Or is it only a figure of speech when it conflicts with your personal take on Christianity?
 
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This is not literal,
How do you know that this is not literal? Do you think that the story of the seven-day creation is also not literal? Do you think that Deuteronomy 25:11-12 isn't literal?
 
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Like the Genesis account?

No. The Genesis account is literal.

Or is it only a figure of speech when it conflicts with your personal take on Christianity?

It's a figure of speech because it's a figure of speech.

Meant, in this case, to call attention to the heightened need for salvation.
 
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Do you think that the story of the seven-day creation is also not literal?

The Bible doesn't start out ONCE UPON A TIME.

It starts out IN THE BEGINNING.
 
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Which part of Christianity?
That there's a God who created everything, and that we are sinners in need of a Saviour, and that God suffered and died for our sins, and He rose on the third day, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have an everlasting life. That is what Christianity is.

There’s a lot that is mutually exclusive
what is mutually exlusive?
 
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Except when it says to gather your friends and go out killing.
First of all, we must differentiate between murder and killing. Hebrew also has two different words, one is for murder and one for killing.

To simply put it, murder is illegal killing. There is legal killing, you can kill an animal in order to eat, you can kill a person in self-defence for example someone attacks you with a knife and you defend yourself, or someone pulls a gun on your family, you don't just stand there and do nothing. You can also kill someone by an accident. Even in courts they are looking if there was an intent.
Murder is killing with an intent.

Now let's look at God's commanding Israel that all Canaanites should be killed.
(If you claim that there's no God, why is any Old Testament 'atrocity' wrong? Many claim that God of the Bible is immoral, and if you are atheist, there is no moral standard, it's just your opinion).
Is God arbitrary or does He give reasons for judging people in Old Testament? He gives reasons. He doesn't just wake up like a mob boss and go 'Canaanaties, I want them all dead'. He's got reasons for it, and probably the biggest reason after 400 years of warning, is that the Canaanites were sacrificing children on molten hot idols. So God saw this evil, gave them chance to repent of it and stop, but they did not, God said ok that's enough, time to stop this evil practice of killing children, so He sends Israelites to put an end to this evil.
Does God commit murder by ending lives on Earth? No, because He is the creator of life, He does not murder anyone, so when He takes life, that's up to Him, He can resurrect life, we cannot do that, so if God wants to take someone's life, He absolutely can.

Israel was God's chosen nation, His people, He commanded them to be holy, to be separated from all the evil, so He commanded to destroy evil so they would stay holy. That does not mean they could go out whenever they wanted, only when God commanded them.

It's like when there was rise of evil in WW2. Many nations and people gathered together to stop this evil.
 
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(If you claim that there's no God, why is any Old Testament 'atrocity' wrong? Many claim that God of the Bible is immoral, and if you are atheist, there is no moral standard, it's just your opinion).

That's a good point.

If one doesn't believe in God in the first place, then why do they care?

My opinion?

They want it to look like religion is a motivating factor behind atrocities against our fellow men and women.

Else they would have to admit that they believe we're just animals doing what animals do.
 
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If you claim that there's no God, why is any Old Testament 'atrocity' wrong?
Fiction can portray atrocities. And people who believe that the atrocity was actually a good thing need to be disabused of that notion before they hurt someone.
 
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Fiction can portray atrocities. And people who believe that the atrocity was actually a good thing need to be disabused of that notion before they hurt someone.
You are right, God should have left murdering of the babies to continue, how dare He to put a stop to evil nation who murders babies and is full of evil. Oh how I cannot wait until Lord Jesus comes back and puts an end to all the evil and there will be only good.

People complain about God allowing evil, God puts a stop to evil, people complain about God stopping evil.
 
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How do you know that this is not literal?
The Bible is a collection of many books telling one unified story from beginning to end, but all those books were written in different literary styles. First and foremost is narrative. Second is poetry, and then the rest of the Bible is written in prose discourse. Most books have a primary literary style, like narrative for example. But then embedded within the narrative, you’ll come across poems or parables or collections of laws. Every book is a unique combination of literary styles.

For one to understand what is literal and what is poetry, one must study the Bible. Sometimes of course it is very obvious what it is, when it isn't, you can look at the original language, you can study the grammar, you can study the context of the chapter, you can study the age when the chapter was written, the nation and their life of that time etc. Some Christians spend most of their life studying these things. I'm for example studying the book of Zechariah and have spent hours just looking at few verses. I look at the Hebrew words, I look at the period the book was written, the state of the nation of Israel, what is going on etc.

Do you think that the story of the seven-day creation is also not literal?
*six day creation. I know it's literal because of the Hebrew word 'Yom' which means a 24 hour period.
Do you think that Deuteronomy 25:11-12 isn't literal?
It is literal. Why? As I said, not every verse of the Bible is literal.
 
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You are right, God should have left murdering of the babies to continue, how dare He to put a stop to evil nation who murders babies and is full of evil. Oh how I cannot wait until Lord Jesus comes back and puts an end to all the evil and there will be only good.

People complain about God allowing evil, God puts a stop to evil, people complain about God stopping evil.
You do know that history is written by the victors?
 
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