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Killing another person is killing another person. No matter how you try to dress it up.
So if someone attacks your family with a knife, are you just going to stand there and not defend them? Are you just going to stand there and do nothing so in you defending your family, you don't accidentally kill the attacker?
Yes, all death is tragic, but you must differentiate between killing in self-defence, killing by accident and killing with an intent. God does, and so does the law and jurisdiction. You should do some research.
When someone kills at a whim, I call that evil in it's most purest form.
That was under the old covenant, and it was only allowed for Israel do so with their enemies who God warned to repent. It was only for a period of time. Now we are under the new covenant where God tells us to love our enemies, to do good who persecute us, do evil to us, hate us, and pray to God to have mercy on them. I know, such a horrible teaching right, do good to those who hate you. Lord Jesus when He was unjustly crucified asked His Father to forgive His enemies while He was in torturing pain, and there is more examples in the Bible.

Besides, if you say there's no God, you have no objective moral standard. Your good and evil are just an opinion. What stops a criminal coming to your house and say you must die in order for him to survive, so it's good if he kills you. Why is your opinion of what is good and evil better than his? Of course it's evil, because there is a God who is moral standard, who knows what is good and what is evil, He doesn't get it wrong, because He is purely good in His nature, unlike us, who got evil wrong so many times. God say a lie is a sin and penalty for sin is death, and all human lies. I know you will argue, going to hell just because of a lie? God is just and He will judge every sin, that is who He is, you can't invent Him, you can't change Him, you can't alter Him. You can either believe in Him or not. You can't accommodate Him to your thinking. And that means if you don't understand His perfect righteousness and holiness the problem is in you and not Him.

People who do not believe in God have a problem when it comes to good and evil, and they do also have problems explaining emotions. How do you explain love? Just some chemicals? Because that is all you do when you say there is no God, you downplay love. Good luck saying to your mother you don't actually love her, it's just some chemicals in your brain.
 
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God loves people yet calls for the death of many, many people in the Bible. Even children.
God created the world and it was perfect. No death, no pain, no sadness, nothing bad. But humanity rejected God, sin entered into the world and so did all the evil. Sin has consequences, people continue sinning and they wonder why so much evil happens, then they blame God.
A parents of a child are terrible people, they constantly argue, they divorce, the child cant bear it, tragically commits suicide, let's blame God, that's all people do, blame God for everything bad, but never thank Him for anything good in their life, doesn't seem fair to me.

Have you ever given anything to God that He owes you? Were you there when He created the world, did you give Him the wisdom? Did you ever thank Him for anything?

This world is tragically broken because of our sin. Yet God today judges no one, but calls us to His Son to restore us to what God created us for, and when He returns, He will restore this world, and there never will be evil, death, and pain again. But some don't want to come to light, because their dark deeds would manifest, and they like to live in darkness.
 
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Yeah - we are hearing that new talking point at a number of places now. Massad Ayoob put a video out about the new deceptive story trying the usual fear mongering. You are 6 months behind.
I have no idea who or what that is.
What is more accurate is the atheist world view is being dismantled by real science and the atheist are wanting to start murdering Christians.
There isn't an "atheist worldview" and nothing about science is going to "dismantle" any atheist "worldview" and turn us back Christian. Dropping your religion came from not believing your religion's claims (see contents of bible). No science in there to dismantle or build up. Not sure about these murder fantasies you are going on about. No idea where you'd get that kind of idea.
 
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God does, and so does the law and jurisdiction.
When has God ever killed in self defence? When has God done anything he did not wish to.

People defend themselves and society defends itself. When has God ever needed to defend himself?
 
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It was only for a period of time.
Which shows how God is capricious in his decisions about killing. When he chooses to kill? Fine. When he decides it’s wrong? Not fine.
 
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Besides, if you say there's no God, you have no objective moral standard. Your good and evil are just an opinion. What stops a criminal coming to your house and say you must die in order for him to survive, so it's good if he kills you.
So what if good and evil are subjective? The thing that stops a criminal killing me is the law which is a product of society.

When has God been shown to stop killers?

My moral standard is self derived and in agreement with the culture in which I was brought up in.

I don’t need the Bible to teach me a right from wrong that may change whenever God has another change of mind.
 
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People who do not believe in God have a problem when it comes to good and evil, and they do also have problems explaining emotions. How do you explain love? Just some chemicals? Because that is all you do when you say there is no God, you downplay love. Good luck saying to your mother you don't actually love her, it's just some chemicals in your brain.
No they don’t. I’m a cognitive behavioural therapist. I’ve spent decades learning about and working with human psychology. Your comment here is unsubstantiated.
 
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When has God ever killed in self defence? When has God done anything he did not wish to.
God creates life and He has every right to take it away. God gives and God takes away. He can do whatever He pleases. Defend? Defend from what? Who is bigger than Him? Who will slap Him on His hand and tell Him that He cannot do something? It is us who have to answer to God, not the other round as He is the Creator and we are His creation? Does the clay say to the potter 'what are you making and why you made me that way? Since God created you, who are you to talk back to God?

There once was a man named Job, who had a wife, many children, a big house, a large group of animals, he was very rich. That man was blameless and upright, one who feared God and turned away from evil. Satan argued that Job only obeys God, because Job prosper, so God allowed Satan to attack Job's family and prosperity. All his children died in a catastrophe, and all the livestock as well. And Job said 'God gives and God takes away, blessed be His name' and Job did not sin. Then Satan attacked Job's health, he suffered, but still did not sin. Then 3 of his friends came and instead of comforting job they accused him of sin. Surely Job suffers because he is a sinner they said. But Job did not sin. But Job later accused God 'why do you let this happen, why don't you let me defend myself' and Jon started to question God. Then God appeared to Him in a cloud, He did not tell Job why He allowed His suffering, instead, He asked Job series of questions “Where were you when I Iaid the foundations of the earth?”. “Have you ever in your days commanded the morning light?” . “Where does light live, or where does darkness reside?” and dozens of other questions, and Job could not answer even one of them. But now Job understood, who was he to question God? The angels in Heaven cover their eyes, that's how glorious God is. And then God blessed Job, he had even more children, and livestock and wealth.

I tell you this with all my love, because it is dangerous to speak against God like that. I know you want peace between people, no murder, no crime, no suffering, and God will end it one day, but He delays so people can come to Him, repent and have an eternal life. Sure He could have ended it all already, but then we would be all in hell, which is much worse than any suffering here on Earth.
 
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Was this rejection part of the perfection?
He created perfect humans and that included giving them ability to make a choice. God doesn't want robots, but human beings capable of loving and worshipping, so He gave them a free choice to make (some call this free will). He wants people who chose to obey Him, not robots who have no choice.
 
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Not according to the Bible.
But He is, otherwise He would cease to exist and so would the whole creation. He is Holy, separated from all the evil, and He is not capable to do evil. He allows evil, controls it, but did not create it. Evil is the absence of good.
And because God is good He is just and because He is just, every sin must be punished. He is outside of time and thus sees everything in present, He sees what's in human heart, we don't.
 
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No they don’t. I’m a cognitive behavioural therapist. I’ve spent decades learning about and working with human psychology. Your comment here is unsubstantiated.
Morality does not explain where morality comes from. People know right from wrong and they will be judged by it. But it does not explain how we know right from wrong. You too know right from wrong, but there's just no way to justify why something is right and wrong unless there's a standard beyond us. So everybody can know right from wrong, everybody can live moral lives to a certain extent (we all failed). Atheist can do good thins, the problem is, an atheist can justify why something is good or bad without a reference to a standard outside of humanity and that standard is good's nature who is purely good, and knows good from evil. So it's not how you know right from wrong, it's why is something right or wrong? Our moral system and laws are infused with Christian values whether you like it or not.
 
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Which shows how God is capricious in his decisions about killing. When he chooses to kill? Fine. When he decides it’s wrong? Not fine.
Let's look at the killing of the Canaanites.

In Deuteronomy 20:16–17, God commanded the Israelites, “In the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.”

Before we look at the reasons given in Scripture for the commands to exterminate certain groups of people, it’s important to realize that the Israelites were not given free rein to slaughter everyone they met. Consider the following:

• The standard procedure for battling a city was to first extend terms of peace (Deuteronomy 20:10). If the terms were accepted, the people of that city lived and became subservient to Israel (verse 11). If the terms were rejected, the city was besieged and the men were killed, but the women and children were spared (verses 12–14). Attacking a city within Canaan called for different rules and represented an exception to this standard.

• God did not sanction all of the wars recorded in the Old Testament. The battles that were part of the conquest of Canaan were intended for a particular time and limited to a particular people group. The conquest of Canaan had clear limits, geographically and historically.

• The wars sanctioned by God beyond the time of Joshua were defensive in nature. A number of the battles that Israel fought on the way to and within Canaan were also defensive in nature (Exodus 17:8; Numbers 21:21 –32; Deuteronomy 2:26 –37; Joshua 10:4).

Here are the reasons Scripture gives for commanding ancient Israel to annihilate certain people groups:

1. To judge the Canaanites for their abominations. The Canaanites were a brutal and wicked culture that frequently engaged in incredibly decadent behavior. Leviticus 18 provides a list of sins that Israel was to avoid at all costs: incest, child sacrifice, homosexuality, and bestiality. All these sins were practiced by the people of Canaan: “This is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. . . . All these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled” (Leviticus 18:24–27).

In ordering the destruction of the Canaanites, God enacted a form of corporate capital punishment on a people that had been deserving of God’s judgment for some time. God had given the Canaanite people over 400 years to repent (Genesis 15:13–16). Then came judgment day. God could have used any means to destroy the Canaanites, but He chose to use the Israelites as the instrument of judgment. This method not only rid the world of an evil and deeply depraved society, but it also provided a ready-made home for God’s chosen people, the Hebrews.

The Canaanites knew what was coming and had heard of God’s awesome power (Joshua 2:10–11; 9:9). Such awareness should have prompted their repentance, but they remained resistant to God. The Canaanite Rahab was saved, and so was her family, and they are proof that the Canaanites could have avoided destruction if they had repented (Joshua 2). No person had to die. God’s desire is that the wicked turn from their sin rather than perish (Ezekiel 18:31–32; 33:11).

2. To stave off idolatry and compromise. In Deuteronomy 20, immediately after God commanded that the Canaanites be completely wiped out, God gave the reason: “Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God” (Deuteronomy 20:18). The reason for the extermination was to prevent religious compromise and spiritual adultery: if the Israelites left survivors, the sin of idolatry would follow.

The Israelites failed in their mission and left many Canaanites alive (Joshua 16:10; 17:12–13; Judges 1:29). Exactly what God said would happen occurred. Israel compromised with Canaanite culture and fell into idolatry time and again (Judges 2:1–3; 1 Kings 11:5; 14:24; 2 Kings 16:3–4). God’s order to exterminate the Canaanites was meant to guard His relationship with His people.

3. To prevent future problems. God knows the future. God knew what the results would be if Israel did not completely eradicate their enemies. The Amalekites were not Canaanites, but they attacked Israel several times and forged alliances with the Canaanites (Exodus 17:8–13; Numbers 14:45; Judges 3:13; 6:3), so they also fell under God’s judgment. King Saul was given the responsibility to exterminate the Amalekites (1 Samuel 15:2–3). Saul shirked his duty and lied about it (1 Samuel 15:20). The results were dire—just a couple of decades later, there were enough Amalekites to take David and his men’s families captive (1 Samuel 30:1–2). Several hundred years after that, a descendant of the Amalekites, Haman, tried to have the entire Jewish people exterminated (see the book of Esther). So, Saul’s incomplete obedience almost resulted in Israel’s destruction. If Saul had obeyed the voice of the Lord, it would have saved David’s men and the Jews of Esther’s day a lot of trouble.

4. To fulfil the curse on Canaan. Centuries before Moses’ command to eradicate the Canaanites, Noah had cursed one of Ham’s sons: “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers” (Genesis 9:25). Canaan was the ancestor of the Canaanites, as Genesis 10 makes clear. The descendants of Canaan include the Sidonians, the Hittites, the Jebusites, the Amorites, and the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 10:15–19). Noah’s curse/prophecy came true during the time of Joshua. The Canaanites were conquered by the Israelites, who were descendants of one of Ham’s brothers, Shem. Not all of the Canaanites were exterminated; true to God’s Word, some of the Canaanites became slaves (Joshua 9:27; 17:12–13).

The most difficult part of the command of Deuteronomy 20:16–17 is that, when the Canaanites were exterminated, women and children were not spared. Why would God order the death of noncombatants and innocent children? Here are some things to remember:
⁍ No one is “innocent” in the sense of being sinless (Psalm 51:5; 58:3).
⁍ These women were participants in the degrading sins of Canaan, and the children would have grown up sympathetic to the evil religions and practices of their parents.
⁍ These women and, eventually, the children would naturally have been resentful of the Israelites and later sought to avenge the “unjust” treatment the Canaanite men had received.
In the end, God is sovereign over all of life, and He can take it whenever and however He sees fit. God alone can give life, and God alone has the right to take it. God is under no obligation to extend anyone’s life for even another day. How and when we die is completely up to Him. In the case of the Canaanites, their end came after a time of tolerance and patient grace. But Judgment Day finally comes to all, and it came to the Canaanites via the Hebrew people.
 
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Tangentially, I was reading something about the Carboniferous, and it was mentioning that oxygen levels peaked around perhaps 30-35% of the content of the atmosphere (compared to today's 21%). This addition of all this gas enabled things like 75 cm dragonflies to be able to fly, not just because of the increased availability of oxygen, but also the very density of the air.
It changed the density of the air? Wow. And imagine bush fires in a 35% Oxygen atmosphere! Did you ever watch those "Walking with Dinosaurs" shows? They had one "Walking with Monsters" which covered some of this period. Now Netflix are doing their own version and it's got a whopping great centipede - so they're covering the start of life, age of monsters and dinosaurs and all the way through.

 
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It doesn't.

I believe coal was embedded into the earth during the Creation Week as an "Easter egg" to be discovered later.

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Psalm 104:24 O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.
Oh please! Next you'll say "God created the starlight already in place to make the universe look 13.something billion years old!"
Consider some other 'Easter eggs' God left behind to 'test our faith'.

Sedimentary layers that correlate to other time and temperature proxies as measured by geology and climate scientists
Milankovitch cycles that correspond to 100,000 year cycles that show up in CO2 changes in ice-core samples - "already in place"
Fossil fuels in exactly those regions where it would otherwise have formed naturally through geological process - but left there "already in place"

All as Easter eggs to test our faith? Sorry mate. I have too much respect both for science and the bible to fall for that one.
You've got the genre wrong! As we have discussed before, Genesis often contradicts itself if you try to read it literally. Chapters 1 to 11 are remarkably different to the rest of it. You've claimed the promise God made to Noah after the ark that "Seedtime will never fail" countless times against climate science without ONCE explaining why Genesis then shows a complete 7 year drought across the whole ancient middle east? Joseph's famine undermines your legalistic, literalistic reading of the promise to Noah.

Rather - the Noah's ark story is one of the first cases of literary chiastic structure we encounter. Read the wiki on it! Something happened in a large flood in the ancient middle east, but it was 'dressed up' in chiastic structure with every step on the way into the ark mirrored exactly in reverse order on the way out. Like a hamburger. This much bread, this much butter, this much sauce, this much lettuce, this much cheese, this much tomato, this much meat, .... and then rinse and repeat in reverse order for the other side.

Or the structuralist approach to Genesis 1, which shows it to be a poetic form about why God made the world not an engineering manual on how he made it. It's about correcting the theology of surrounding creation myths - not the technique!

Seriously - some of the best scientific minds in the world are Christian - but the way you ignore all scientific evidence about how the universe works and all biblical evidence about the genre of Genesis does not help anyone.
 
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Yeah - we are hearing that new talking point at a number of places now. Massad Ayoob put a video out about the new deceptive story trying the usual fear mongering. You are 6 months behind.

What is more accurate is the atheist world view is being dismantled by real science and the atheist are wanting to start murdering Christians.
It's no "talking point". It's an account
of my personal experience.
Charming of you to accuse me of lying.

As for the rest of it, it's a weird fantasy, I don't
know if you concocted it or it's a cult message.

Sorry to hear anyone is that far off the rails tho.
 
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Oh please! Next you'll say "God created the starlight already in place to make the universe look 13.something billion years old!"

I've already addressed starlight and their wormholes.

Consider some other 'Easter eggs' God left behind to 'test our faith'.

Test our faith?

Do you know what I mean by Easter eggs?

All as Easter eggs to test our faith?

Easter eggs are just that.

Easter eggs.

Oil is my favorite example.

Concealed in the earth at creation, meant to be discovered when the time was right.

And when the time was right, God raised up people to find it.

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
 
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