Who should be allowed to adopt?

[ALiberalTeen]

It's nice to see that most(76.74%) think Gays should be allowed to adopt

 

[Ohioprof]

That is a misconception that has become all to belivable because of the lies that society puts on us. The world is tying to releave their contiounce by saying that no one should can change.

I am gay. I am telling you that I am both physically and emotionally attracted to women.

If gay people tell you how we feel, you should listen to us and accept what we tell you about our lives. We are not making it up, and we are the ones who know ourselves and our emotions and experiences, whereas you do not.

 

[Ohioprof]

That is a misconception that has become all to belivable because of the lies that society puts on us. The world is tying to releave their contiounce by saying that no one should can change.

There is no reason for gay people to "change," presumably into heterosexuals. Not only can I not change my sexual orientation, there is no reason for me to want to do so. I am happy the way God made me, which is gay.

 

[david_x]

What?

You're not making any sense. Explain this. Dont' give me Michael Savage's talking points.

What? Its not a lie, David. I'm both physically and emotionally attracted to the same sex as many other people are.
Where do you come up with this?

And honestly, how do you know this to be correct? How is it impossible for two men or two women to love one another the way a husband loves a wife?

And here is proof. Look at the way you screwed with what I said. I said homosexuality was a misconception, that became "lie."

My point, for clearaty, is that society wants one thing and it has influenced the church. It is much the same as when the world wanted to mistreat their african slaves and the church went along with it.

 

[david_x]

I am gay. I am telling you that I am both physically and emotionally attracted to women.

If gay people tell you how we feel, you should listen to us and accept what we tell you about our lives. We are not making it up, and we are the ones who know ourselves and our emotions and experiences, whereas you do not.

I am afraid I mislead you. I am not innocent of this sin and know what it is all about.

There is no reason for gay people to "change," presumably into heterosexuals. Not only can I not change my sexual orientation, there is no reason for me to want to do so. I am happy the way God made me, which is gay.

God does not make gay people any more than he makes people straight. They are both sins that one must struggle against. Much like attempting to change other sins.

 

[livingword26]

It's nice to see that most(76.74%) think Gays should be allowed to adopt

The total poll comes up to 337.21% Not quite right.

 

[livingword26]

There is no reason for gay people to "change," presumably into heterosexuals. Not only can I not change my sexual orientation, there is no reason for me to want to do so. I am happy the way God made me, which is gay.

God is no more responsible for you being gay than He is for any other thing that is not perfect or good. Fallen man is subject to a variety of deviancies, sicknesses, and and diseases as a result of mans own sin. If God created you gay, He created, the adulterer, the thief, the liar, the murderer and the pedophile, in their deviated states also. You are right about one thing. You cannot change yourself, but if you were to accept the truth about your sin, God could set you free.

 

[naotmaa]

And here is proof. Look at the way you screwed with what I said. I said homosexuality was a misconception, that became "lie."

Proof of what?

My point, for clearaty, is that society wants one thing and it has influenced the church. It is much the same as when the world wanted to mistreat their african slaves and the church went along with it.

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Ahh what are you talking about? You responding to what i said about homosexuality about being both physically and emotionally attracted to the same sex? That ain't a misconception. I have no idea what this has to do with the Church.
Why don't you explain yourself better?

 

[david_x]

Proof of what?

Proof it's wrong.

Ahh what are you talking about? You responding to what i said about homosexuality about being both physically and emotionally attracted to the same sex? That ain't a misconception. I have no idea what this has to do with the Church.
Why don't you explain yourself better?

Society wants us to believe that no one should change and many Christians have been lead astray by that false doctrine. It has come to the point that even those leaders of the Church have become corrupt, following instead of leading.

(Homosexuality is just one of these misconceptions perpetuated by ignorence and self-gratification)

 

[naotmaa]

Proof it's wrong.

ehh I don't think i would consider that proof.

Society wants us to believe that no one should change and many Christians have been lead astray by that false doctrine. It has come to the point that even those leaders of the Church have become corrupt, following instead of leading.

Well thats your issue with your Church. Not completely what this had to do with what was said...

(Homosexuality is just one of these misconceptions perpetuated by ignorence and self-gratification)

It's not a misconception. Gays and lesbians are both physically and emotionally attracted to the same sex. That isn't a misconception, that's just the truth.
Same sex relationships are based on love just like straight relationships. It is no different.
I wouldn't be saying all of this if it weren't true. I wouldn't care. But I do care. I know its not about lust. I know the difference between lust and love, many gays and lesbians do ..despite what certain people want to say.

 

[david_x]

It's not a misconception. Gays and lesbians are both physically and emotionally attracted to the same sex. That isn't a misconception, that's just the truth.

I am not doubting that, I know first hand.

Same sex relationships are based on love just like straight relationships. It is no different.
I wouldn't be saying all of this if it weren't true. I wouldn't care. But I do care. I know its not about lust. I know the difference between lust and love, many gays and lesbians do ..despite what certain people want to say.

I'm sorry, it still seems like you just lieing to me. Not that you don't think you believe it.

ehh I don't think i would consider that proof.

Okay.

Well thats your issue with your Church. Not completely what this had to do with what was said...

But I was talking about the Church.

The total poll comes up to 337.21% Not quite right.

Some people voted for a whole bunch of the answers, so he was right. (except for I accedentaliy hit homosexual instead of hetro-)

 

[naotmaa]

I am not doubting that, I know first hand.

You do?

I'm sorry, it still seems like you just lieing to me. Not that you don't think you believe it.

I'm not lying to you. I know what I see and i know what i feel. I know that it isn't what you believe, but it doesn't make it any less true. I mean just watch a happy gay or lesbian couple for a day if you don't believe me. You can tell if a person loves anyone through their actions.

However, I doubt even if proof showed that gays and lesbians were the happiest, healthiest people on earth that you would believe it. Which is really unfortunate.

Okay.

But I was talking about the Church.

Okay

 

[david_x]

I'm not lying to you. I know what I see and i know what i feel. I know that it isn't what you believe, but it doesn't make it any less true. I mean just watch a happy gay or lesbian couple for a day if you don't believe me. You can tell if a person loves anyone through their actions.

Yes, but there is hardly love between straght people too. I hardly think that anyone can tell the difference between lust and love anymore.

However, I doubt even if proof showed that gays and lesbians were the happiest, healthiest people on earth that you would believe it. Which is really unfortunate.

unfortunatly no such evidence exhists.

 

[naotmaa]

Yes, but there is hardly love between straght people too. I hardly think that anyone can tell the difference between lust and love anymore.

I think that is correc in some situations but not all. Of course, most people can tell the difference between lust and love. We know what love feels like since we were children and we know what lust feels like since puberty.

unfortunatly no such evidence exhists.

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No such evidence exists saying that us a dangerous harmful lifestyle either.

 

[Ohioprof]

Yes, but there is hardly love between straght people too. I hardly think that anyone can tell the difference between lust and love anymore.



unfortunatly no such evidence exhists.

All we have is anecdotal evidence, the testimony of individuals. Here is some testimony of an individual. I am happy. I am healthy. I am a lesbian.

 

[david_x]

I think that is correc in some situations but not all. Of course, most people can tell the difference between lust and love. We know what love feels like since we were children and we know what lust feels like since puberty.

Have you seen the divorce rate? love does not divorce.

No such evidence exists saying that us a dangerous harmful lifestyle either.

No, but i can go on my personal experince.

All we have is anecdotal evidence, the testimony of individuals. Here is some testimony of an individual. I am happy. I am healthy. I am a lesbian.

I truly, honestly though I was happy too. I realize now that i didn't even know what happiness was.

 

[Trashionista]

Have you seen the divorce rate? love does not divorce.

There are plenty of sucsessful, long-running, happy marriages.

I highly doubt there has been an increase in people wanting divorce - but rather, people being granted divorces. The thought of going out on one's own isn't the catalyst it once was when women were in the house & men as breadwinners. To say love doesn't exist because the divorce rate is higher is false.

Because there are a number of marriages that still end happily.

 

[Ohioprof]

Have you seen the divorce rate? love does not divorce.



No, but i can go on my personal experince.



I truly, honestly though I was happy too. I realize now that i didn't even know what happiness was.

I know what happiness is. I accept who I am; I am gay. I do not deny, run from it, or try to change it. I do not hate myself for it. I have a family, and I am happy.

I am sorry if you believed, because someone told you, that being gay is wrong. It's not wrong. I don't care what your sexual orientation is. You need to stop judging other people or presuming that you know other people better than they know themselves. You don't.

 

[naotmaa]

Have you seen the divorce rate? love does not divorce.

Yes I have. but divorce happens for more comlicated reason than just lust. In fact unless its adultery, I don't think most divorces end because of lust. I think the reason divorce rates are so high is because people either don't wait long enough to get married or the do not put in enough effort to solve their issues. Certainly this does not apply to all divorces. But I guess that is a topic for a different thread.

No, but i can go on my personal experince.

I can too. May I ask what your personal exerience was?

I truly, honestly though I was happy too. I realize now that i didn't even know what happiness was.

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I know what happiness is through various experiences in my life. Yeah.. I pretty much have to second what ohioprof posted in response to this.

 

[david_x]

There are plenty of sucsessful, long-running, happy marriages.

I highly doubt there has been an increase in people wanting divorce - but rather, people being granted divorces. The thought of going out on one's own isn't the catalyst it once was when women were in the house & men as breadwinners. To say love doesn't exist because the divorce rate is higher is false.

Because there are a number of marriages that still end happily.

If peole loved each other they would not sperate. God loves us, does he ever leave or forsake us?

No marrige ends happily, that is a physical impossibility.

I know what happiness is. I accept who I am; I am gay. I do not deny, run from it, or try to change it. I do not hate myself for it. I have a family, and I am happy.

I am sorry if you believed, because someone told you, that being gay is wrong. It's not wrong. I don't care what your sexual orientation is. You need to stop judging other people or presuming that you know other people better than they know themselves. You don't.

Who could possibly know what they want? That is not even a sane thing to say! If we knew what we wanted then we would never sin!