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Dear Halohope,
Well I am just using the phrase 'gay thinking' to describe the 'rubbish' I am reading where the meaning of words used by people supporting same-sex unions doesnt even match dictionary definitions.
I hope that helps :)
you say "gay thinking" when anyone says anything that disagrees with your prior assumptions, without any real reference to reality.
 
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you say "gay thinking" when anyone says anything that disagrees with your prior assumptions, without any real reference to reality.
metaphysics is structured, so your relatity doesn't match everyone elses.

nice strawman btw. That's besides all the internal inconsistencies I demonstrated in yours already.
 
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My point is exactly as you have said (but that wasn’t the dictionary definition) of course two people, whether of the same sex or opposite sex can be emotionally attracted to each other, without having any sexual attraction.
And there are those who can be both physically and emotionally attracted to the same sex.

Well this is the crucial bit. The dictionary definition of gay is merely people having a sexual orientation for the same sex, so a gay couple could be two people who have this same sex attraction but not for each other, they are just friends. You see gay thinking is always sexual, everything is defined by sex.
Ah no. Its just saying a gay couple would be misleading in that case. Most would thik that I was talking about a same sex couple. "Gay thinking" isn't always sexual just as straight thinking isn't always sexual. I don't define any relationship by sex. I did not say in order for someone to be couple they must have sex. I think they just need to be romanticaly involved. A couple that has a gay man and a gay woman, well, I don't think they would be romantically involved but just friends. I know a same sex couple that has yet to have sex but are nonetheless romantically involved. They are more than just friends. But enough with the word play.

me neither so why did mention about unloving homes, unloving homes is irrelevant to the sexual orientation of the couple.
If you could show me where I said that as I don't remember writing that.
 
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metaphysics is structured, so your relatity doesn't match everyone elses.

nice strawman btw. That's besides all the internal inconsistencies I demonstrated in yours already.
sorry... which internal inconsistencies would those be?

Got an explanation for the conflicting reports about post Flood Nephilim and talent numbers yet?
 
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sorry... which internal inconsistencies would those be?

Got an explanation for the conflicting reports about post Flood Nephilim and talent numbers yet?
Your deduction of ethics perhaps. You cannot deduce right or wrong only based on highly subjective experience like homosexuality.

There is no conflicting reports, do I have to refute every single "contradiction" you make up.
 
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There is no conflicting reports, do I have to refute every single "contradiction" you make up.
You're the one claiming there are no conflicts in the Bible... so yes, you'd better refute them as presented (not that I've seen you credibly refute ANY yet, but, for the audience the ones in discussion currently...)

GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.

2SA 24:24 David paid 50 shekels of silver for the purchase of a property.
1CH 21:22-25 He paid 600 shekels of gold.

1KI 9:28 420 talents of gold were brought back from Ophir.
2CH 8:18 450 talents of gold were brought back from Ophir.
 
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You're the one claiming there are no conflicts in the Bible... so yes, you'd better refute them as presented (not that I've seen you credibly refute ANY yet, but, for the audience the ones in discussion currently...)

GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.

2SA 24:24 David paid 50 shekels of silver for the purchase of a property.
1CH 21:22-25 He paid 600 shekels of gold.

1KI 9:28 420 talents of gold were brought back from Ophir.
2CH 8:18 450 talents of gold were brought back from Ophir.
I have refuted every single "contradiction" you posted because you want it to have contradiction. Not because it has one. This is the last time I'm going to do it next time I will just tell you to take a hermanutics course since you need it. And you still haven't told me which website you are getting these supposed contradictions from, I'm guessing because you know I will demonstrate their anti-biblical bias.
 
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Dear Naotmaa,
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And there are those who can be both physically and emotionally attracted to the same sex.
Yes but you used it as an argument yet of course two people, whether of the same sex or opposite sex can be emotionally attracted to each other, without having any sexual attraction.


Ah no. Its just saying a gay couple would be misleading in that case. Most would thik that I was talking about a same sex couple.
Exactly, you need to specify the sex of the couple not their sexual desires.

I don't define any relationship by sex.
Of course you do, by describing the sex of a couple one describes whether they are man or woman, male or female, by describing them as gay describes their sexual desires, who they want to copulate with.

A couple that has a gay man and a gay woman, well, I don't think they would be romantically involved but just friends.
I guess so too but they could still be a gay couple unless by couple you mean sexually?


If you could show me where I said that as I don't remember writing that.
No I haven’t got time, if it wasn’t you it was someone else and if so please accept my apologies for misrepresenting you.
 
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NET ©We even saw the Nephilim 1 there (the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim), and we seemed liked grasshoppers both to ourselves 2 and to them.” 3
NET © Notes1 tc The Greek version uses gigantes (“giants”) to translate “the Nephilim,” but it does not retain the clause “the sons of Anak are from the Nephilim.”

This verse in Numbers 13:33 shows me again that you are not reading the scripture in context. This descrives giants that the jews saw in the promised land. Doesn't mean that it's the exact same creatures that had sex in Genesis 6:4. Please read the bible in context and attempt to understand it not make contradictions up.

n@phiyl <05303>

lypn n@phiyl or lpn n@phil or (plural) Mylpn

Pronunciation:nef-eel' nef-eel'Origin:from 05307Reference:TWOT - 1393aPrtSpch:noun masculineIn AV:giant 3Count:3Definition:1) giants, the Nephilim
 
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I have refuted every single "contradiction" you posted because you want it to have contradiction. Not because it has one. This is the last time I'm going to do it next time I will just tell you to take a hermanutics course since you need it. And you still haven't told me which website you are getting these supposed contradictions from, I'm guessing because you know I will demonstrate their anti-biblical bias.
I told you the website, Biblegateway.com... you can click the blue links easily enough.

How does hermanutics make 420 talents = 450 talents?
 
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I told you the website, Biblegateway.com... you can click the blue links easily enough.

How does hermanutics make 420 talents = 450 talents?
No, biblegateway doesn't post contradictions. I know you are getting it from somewhere else.
 
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No, biblegateway doesn't post contradictions. I know you are getting it from somewhere else.
the contradictions are there for all to see... but you digress... 420 = 450 talents, or is that a Biblical contradiction?
 
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the contradictions are there for all to see... but you digress... 420 = 450 talents, or is that a Biblical contradiction?
Again, where are you getting these contradictions from? Which website? Why do you insist of hidding it?


I will answer your question as soon as you answer mine.
 
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Again, where are you getting these contradictions from? Which website? Why do you insist of hidding it?


I will answer your question as soon as you answer mine.
I've told you repeatedly, I use Biblegateway.com as my online source for Bible quotes. Do you disagree that the quoted passages say what I say they are saying? If so, then I understand your concern about my source, otherwise, you're just stalling because you know I've laid down a misere contradiction and you can't flabble your way out of it.

Now, you make the claim there are no contradictions in the Bible...

420 talents vs 450 talents looks like a contradiction to me. Put up time... either explain how this isn't a contradiction, or accepot the Bible has contradictions. No third alternative.
 
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Yes but you used it as an argument yet of course two people, whether of the same sex or opposite sex can be emotionally attracted to each other, without having any sexual attraction.
..I did? I really can't remember. I thought I was arguing that a couple that is sexually attractec to ecah other can also be emotionally attracted to each other.
Exactly, you need to specify the sex of the couple not their sexual desires.
Of course you do, by describing the sex of a couple one describes whether they are man or woman, male or female, by describing them as gay describes their sexual desires, who they want to copulate with.
Well then i'm sorry for doing so but most people knew what I meant I thought.
I guess so too but they could still be a gay couple unless by couple you mean sexually?
I mean romantically. Like as in they like each other more than just friends. It doesn't matter if they have sex or not.
No I haven’t got time, if it wasn’t you it was someone else and if so please accept my apologies for misrepresenting you.
I don't remember, the thread has gotten dso long. But anyways, no need for apologies :)
 
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1 Kings 9:28 (King James Version)

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28And they came to Ophir, and fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents, and brought it to king Solomon.

2 Chronicles 8:18 (King James Version)

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18And Huram sent him by the hands of his servants ships, and servants that had knowledge of the sea; and they went with the servants of Solomon to Ophir, and took thence four hundred and fifty talents of gold, and brought them to king Solomon.
 
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1 Kings 9:28 (King James Version)

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28And they came to Ophir, and fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents, and brought it to king Solomon.

2 Chronicles 8:18 (King James Version)

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18And Huram sent him by the hands of his servants ships, and servants that had knowledge of the sea; and they went with the servants of Solomon to Ophir, and took thence four hundred and fifty talents of gold, and brought them to king Solomon.
Biblical contradictions
 
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You have yet to post the website...

do it and I will answer your question.
WHAT website? I keep telling you... Biblegateway.com you can click the links yourself!

Now, 430=450 talents, its a contradiction... either show me why it isn't, or I take it as an admission from you that it IS a contradiction, and cite you as a supporter of my claim that the Bible is flawed... otherwise you would have explained away the contradiction by now, wouldn't you?

You think I can't see stalling for time right in front of me? NEWGUY101 CONFIRMS CONTRADICTION IN THE BIBLE!!!
1 Kings 9:28 (King James Version)

28And they came to Ophir, and fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents, and brought it to king Solomon.

2 Chronicles 8:18 (King James Version)

18And Huram sent him by the hands of his servants ships, and servants that had knowledge of the sea; and they went with the servants of Solomon to Ophir, and took thence four hundred and fifty talents of gold, and brought them to king Solomon.
NEWGUY101 CONFIRMS CONTRADICTION IN THE BIBLE!!!:p :p :p
 
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