Who should be allowed to adopt?

[david_x]

No David. Listen, let's take this one step at a time:
1.) A couple who are unable have a child on their own are more likely to adopt. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

Well than say couples that can't have kids and not homosexuals.

 

[naotmaa]

Well than say couples that can't have kids and not homosexuals.

..No...because couples who are unable to have kids include gay and lesbian couples and that is what this thread is about.

Oh wow..i can't believe I spent this much time arguing on this.

 

[Phinehas2]

Naotmaa,

..No...because couples who are unable to have kids include gay and lesbian couples and that is what this thread is about.

on the contrary a gay man and lesbian woman could conceive and have kids if they wanted to, your statement is wrong. What is true is that gay and lesbian couples who are both the same sex cant produce childen

 

[naotmaa]

Naotmaa,
on the contrary a gay man and lesbian woman could conceive and have kids if they wanted to, your statement is wrong. What is true is that gay and lesbian couples who are both the same sex cant produce childen

My statement is still right. Gay and lesbian couples cannot produce together, which, again, is what this thread was about.

 

[Phinehas2]

So naotmaa,
So what is the gay and lesbian couple you refer to made up of if not a gay man and a lesbian woman?

 

[naotmaa]

So naotmaa,
So what is the gay and lesbian couple you refer to made up of if not a gay man and a lesbian woman?

Well when I say gay and lesbian couples I'm refering to two men in a relationship or two women in a relationship. What do you mean "made up"?

 

[Phinehas2]

Ah ok so a gay man and a lesbian woman cannot be a gay couple in your view?

 

[naotmaa]

Ah ok so a gay man and a lesbian woman cannot be a gay couple in your view?

Well..I don't see how? A gay man and a lesbian woman are by definition not attracted to each other...So I don't know how good the relationship would be for each other...watcha ya getting at?

 

[Phinehas2]

only the dictioanry definitions I have seen all say a gay person is one who has a sexual attraction for the same sex, a gay man and a lesbian woman could still make a couple just as I could have sex with another man. the only thing being we wouldnt want to, but we could.

 

[naotmaa]

only the dictioanry definitions I have seen all say a gay person is one who has a sexual attraction for the same sex, a gay man and a lesbian woman could still make a couple just as I could have sex with another man. the only thing being we wouldnt want to, but we could.

Gays and lesbians have both physical and emotional attraction to the same sex.
Personally, I know that I would not want to raise a child with a friend but a person that I love and want to spend the rest of my life with.
If a gay man and a lesbian woman want to have a kid with each other, hey thats fine. As long as the child is in a loving home and brought up right.I have yet to meet a gay or lesbian who or planning on doing that.
Still, there is nothing wrong with parents of the same sex bringing up children. Many same sex couples would feel better bringning up children with a person they are faithfully committed to and love very much.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear naotmaa,

Gays and lesbians have both physical and emotional attraction to the same sex.

Then your definition may be wrong. The dictionary definitions say a gay person is one who is sexually attracted to the same-sex. A gay man and a lesbian woman could still have sexual intercourse using their sex organs and concieve.

Personally, I know that I would not want to raise a child with a friend but a person that I love and want to spend the rest of my life with.

Not if you have no children to raise, and you cant have children when two people of the same sex are involved, you need people of the opposite sex.

If a gay man and a lesbian woman want to have a kid with each other, hey thats fine.

If two people of the same sex want to have a kid with each other thats fine with me, its just that they cant. The man and the woman can have a child and they should rasie its as its their flesh and blood, in my opinion as its God's word.

As long as the child is in a loving home and brought up right.

Ah but the unloving home could equally be the one with the gay couple.

So you agree that a gay couple could be a gay man and a lesbian woman. You need to be careful what statements therfore you make about gay couples, as your post #186 is misleading referring just to same-sex couples being gay couples, thats evidently not true.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear naotmaa,
Then your definition may be wrong. The dictionary definitions say a gay person is one who is sexually attracted to the same-sex. A gay man and a lesbian woman could still have sexual intercourse using their sex organs and concieve.
Not if you have no children to raise, and you cant have children when two people of the same sex are involved, you need people of the opposite sex.

If two people of the same sex want to have a kid with each other thats fine with me, its just that they cant. The man and the woman can have a child and they should rasie its as its their flesh and blood, in my opinion as its God's word.
Ah but the unloving home could equally be the one with the gay couple.

So you agree that a gay couple could be a gay man and a lesbian woman. You need to be careful what statements therfore you make about gay couples, as your post #186 is misleading referring just to same-sex couples being gay couples, thats evidently not true.

A couple is a couple only if they call themselves a couple. You get to self-define when it comes to questions of whether you are a couple or not. Also, as a side note, the dictionary does not determine what words mean. The dictionary reflects how people actually use words. When enough people use a word in a new way or start using a new word, the people who write the dictionary will change the definition of the old word or include the new word.

On the immediate topic at hand, same-sex couples can raise children, and they do so all the time. It matters not whether they conceived the child together; lots of opposite-sex couples have adopted children or are raising children from previous relationships, though the latter situation can get complicated when a previous spouse or partner is still the legal other parent, which happens often.

In a growing number of states and parts of states, a same-sex partner can become the legal second-parent to their partner's child. This means that increasingly, our laws are recognizing same-sex partners as both legal parents to their children. Children are being raised by two legal parents of the same sex. This is good, because it gives the children the legal protections of having two parents recognized by the law rather than just one.

In my own case, I am a single parent with a child whom I adopted 5 years ago. I am also gay, but that matters not at all. Gay individuals can adopt as single parents in all states except for Florida.

 

[Ohioprof]

I have two friends, a man and a woman, who are married to each other and have two children. They both realized after they married and had children that they are both gay. They are still married to each other, because their children both have disabilities, and they feel that getting divorced before their children reach adulthood would be too disruptive for the children and hard on the children. (They feel this way only because the children have these particular disabilities.) So they have agreed to stay married and live together until their children reach maturity. Then they plan to divorce. They do not have sexual relations with each other, because they are not attracted to each other. They have not had sexual relations with each other in over 10 years.

They do not call themselves a "gay couple." They have a legal marriage, but neither of them considers it a real marriage. They are married legally only for the sake of their children, who are disabled, not for their own personal fulfillment. It's an unusual and rather sad circumstance, but life hands people difficult circumstances. They have done a wonderful job of raising their two disabled children. They acknowledge that their children will probably never be able to live on their own as adults, and they will have to live in a group home of some kind.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

A couple is a couple only if they call themselves a couple.

No according to the dictionary a couple is ‘two’ or two coupled. So people can only call themselves a couple if there is two of them. According to the dictionary. Once again gay thinking is confused.

You get to self-define when it comes to questions of whether you are a couple or not.

One can call themselves what they like but the dictionary definition is hardly self definition unless one has written the dictionary.

Also, as a side note, the dictionary does not determine what words mean.

well yes it does otherwise a dictionary definition wouldn’t be ay use. Once again gay thinking is confused.

The dictionary reflects how people actually use words. When enough people use a word in a new way or start using a new word, the people who write the dictionary will change the definition of the old word or include the new word.

Well yes but I have never heard you refer to gay people who are straight but have a joyful disposition.

On the immediate topic at hand, same-sex couples can raise children, and they do so all the time.

Yes but I know and I think that has been acknowledgedt, the point is same-sex couples cant produce children and therefore nature didn’t intend them to raise children.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,
No according to the dictionary a couple is ‘two’ or two coupled. So people can only call themselves a couple if there is two of them. According to the dictionary. Once again gay thinking is confused.
One can call themselves what they like but the dictionary definition is hardly self definition unless one has written the dictionary.
well yes it does otherwise a dictionary definition wouldn’t be ay use. Once again gay thinking is confused.
Well yes but I have never heard you refer to gay people who are straight but have a joyful disposition.

Yes but I know and I think that has been acknowledgedt, the point is same-sex couples cant produce children and therefore nature didn’t intend them to raise children.

Humans create social arrangements. Adoption is a human social arrangement that enables children who have lost their original parents for some reason to be raised by loving new parents in a stable home. Adoption laws and policies do not follow some dictates of "nature." We create them.

The dictionary does not determine the definition of words. The dictionary reflects popular usage of words. You refer to my thinking as "gay thinking." I'm not sure what that means, but this is the professor talking to you about this. I know what I am talking about when it comes to the nature of the dictionary.

 

[naotmaa]

Dear naotmaa,
Then your definition may be wrong. The dictionary definitions say a gay person is one who is sexually attracted to the same-sex.

Regardless of what the dictionary says, I know for a fact that gays and lesbians can be both physical and emotionally attracted to each other.

A gay man and a lesbian woman could still have sexual intercourse using their sex organs and concieve.

Well no one is arguing with that.

Not if you have no children to raise, and you cant have children when two people of the same sex are involved, you need people of the opposite sex.

I don't think anyone is arguing that two gays or two lesbians can conceive on their own. What is your point?

If two people of the same sex want to have a kid with each other thats fine with me, its just that they cant. The man and the woman can have a child and they should rasie its as its their flesh and blood, in my opinion as its God's word.

They can adopt or they could use artifical insemination. I don't see any issue with this.

Ah but the unloving home could equally be the one with the gay couple.

I'm aware of that. However, gays can still ave as much of a loving home for their child as a straight couple could.

So you agree that a gay couple could be a gay man and a lesbian woman. You need to be careful what statements therfore you make about gay couples, as your post #186 is misleading referring just to same-sex couples being gay couples, thats evidently not true.

No, if a man and a woman were in a relationship together, it would be a straight relationship.
Regardless of the sexual orientation.
In my statment I was reffering to same sex couples, I don't think anyone else was confused when I said "gay couples".

 

[david_x]

I know for a fact that gays and lesbians can be both physical and emotionally attracted to each other.

That is a misconception that has become all to belivable because of the lies that society puts on us. The world is tying to releave their contiounce by saying that no one should can change.

 

[irateional]

That is a misconception that has become all to belivable because of the lies that society puts on us. The world is tying to releave their contiounce by saying that no one should can change.

What?

You're not making any sense. Explain this. Dont' give me Michael Savage's talking points.

 

[naotmaa]

That is a misconception that has become all to belivable because of the lies that society puts on us. The world is tying to releave their contiounce by saying that no one should can change.

What? Its not a lie, David. I'm both physically and emotionally attracted to the same sex as many other people are.
Where do you come up with this?

 

[Trashionista]

That is a misconception that has become all to belivable because of the lies that society puts on us. The world is tying to releave their contiounce by saying that no one should can change.

And honestly, how do you know this to be correct? How is it impossible for two men or two women to love one another the way a husband loves a wife?