Who should be allowed to adopt?

[david_x]

Yes I have. but divorce happens for more comlicated reason than just lust. In fact unless its adultery, I don't think most divorces end because of lust. I think the reason divorce rates are so high is because people either don't wait long enough to get married or the do not put in enough effort to solve their issues. Certainly this does not apply to all divorces. But I guess that is a topic for a different thread.

Lust is the reason a divorce ends mearly because that is the only reason the couple got married.

I can too. May I ask what your personal exerience was?

I am trying to change.

 

[naotmaa]

Lust is the reason a divorce ends mearly because that is the only reason the couple got married.

I'm sorry but its never that simple. People can truely love each other, get married and for what ever reason, feel that they can no longer live together happily.
Lust, is sexual attraction, I know what it is. If a person was driven by lust then why would they want to get married in the first place? Wouldn't the more desireable thing to do is sleep with a different person every night? Yeaah they would. I don't think marriage would look like a desireable thing to do to a person like that.

I am trying to change.

 

[Trashionista]

No marrige ends happily, that is a physical impossibility.

Wrong. Yes, marriages have low points, but again... why do some people spend their lives until their deaths married to one another? Its not that uncommon.

The divorce rate is around 50%. Yes, half will end in divorce, but the other half will survive. Simple stats spell that out.

For the record, I'm not married.

 

[Ohioprof]

If peole loved each other they would not sperate. God loves us, does he ever leave or forsake us?

No marrige ends happily, that is a physical impossibility.



Who could possibly know what they want? That is not even a sane thing to say! If we knew what we wanted then we would never sin!

I know what I want, and I am living the life that I have chosen. I make mistakes, and I have had some failures, but I have done everything that I wanted to do with my life up to this point.

I wanted to travel all over the world, and I traveled all over the world. I wanted to get a PhD, and I got a PhD. I wanted to become a history professor, and I became a history professor. I wanted to adopt a child, and I adopted a child. I wanted to find a caring and supportive church community, and I found a caring and supportive church community. I wanted to be a social justice activist, and I am a social justice activist. I feel truly blessed, with good health and opportunities and people who have helped me. I am now middle-aged, and I have no regrets.

My goals now are to be a good parent, a good teacher, a good neighbor, and a good Christian.

What could be better than that?

 

[david_x]

I'm sorry but its never that simple. People can truely love each other, get married and for what ever reason, feel that they can no longer live together happily.

Not actual love. Love is patient; love is kind.

Lust, is sexual attraction, I know what it is. If a person was driven by lust then why would they want to get married in the first place? Wouldn't the more desireable thing to do is sleep with a different person every night? Yeaah they would. I don't think marriage would look like a desireable thing to do to a person like that.

Lust mascarading as love. Truly terrible.

Change is a Christian thing. Bettering ourselves and all that terrible stuff.

Wrong. Yes, marriages have low points, but again... why do some people spend their lives until their deaths married to one another? Its not that uncommon.

The divorce rate is around 50%. Yes, half will end in divorce, but the other half will survive. Simple stats spell that out.

For the record, I'm not married.

I am not saying that marrige is bad. I am just saying that most marriges are not about love. (Thus the divorce rate and porn industry.)

What could be better than that?

God's plan. not dedicating your life to yourself.

 

[Gukkor]

I voted for all except single parents. That's not to suggest that single parents are incapable of being good parents, but it is not an ideal situation, and adoption is one of the few cases where such variables can be controlled in the best interest of the child.

 

[naotmaa]

Not actual love. Love is patient; love is kind.

Love is complicated. Life is complicated. It probably wasn't true love but it was still love.

Lust mascarading as love. Truly terrible.

I guess we're gonna have to disagree on that one.

Change is a Christian thing. Bettering ourselves and all that terrible stuff.

Change is a human thing. We all change, we all grow. Bettering oneself is certainly not terrible.

I am not saying that marrige is bad. I am just saying that most marriges are not about love. (Thus the divorce rate and porn industry.)

What does marriage have to do with porn?

God's plan. not dedicating your life to yourself.

You better yourself as a person in order to better yourself for your family and for the people around you. I'm pretty sure Christians are allowed to have life goals as well.

 

[david_x]

Love is complicated. Life is complicated. It probably wasn't true love but it was still love.

I define love as true love, alone.

Change is a human thing. We all change, we all grow. Bettering oneself is certainly not terrible.

You seemed to think it was.

What does marriage have to do with porn?

Seems to be avoiding subject, whatever.
Love does not cheat i'm afraid.

You better yourself as a person in order to better yourself for your family and for the people around you. I'm pretty sure Christians are allowed to have life goals as well.

She sounded conceited though. It was I did this instead of God did this.

 

[naotmaa]

I define love as true love, alone.

OK. I think it is more complicated then that.

You seemed to think it was.

If you're trying to change your sexual orientation, then yes, i do think its a terrible thing. But certainly bettering oneself isn't.

Seems to be avoiding subject, whatever.
Love does not cheat i'm afraid.

Well, no. I would just be repeating what I've already said.

She sounded conceited though. It was I did this instead of God did this.

I don't think she sounded conceited at all. Whether you believe in God or not, it is up to you to get your butt moving to achieve what you want to achieve.

 

[Trashionista]

I am not saying that marrige is bad. I am just saying that most marriges are not about love. (Thus the divorce rate and porn industry.)

I am dying to know where you got these stats that most marriages are not about love, and the sucsess of the porn industry is an indicator of this.

I'm in shock.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

The dictionary does not determine the definition of words. The dictionary reflects popular usage of words. You refer to my thinking as "gay thinking." I'm not sure what that means, but this is the professor talking to you about this. I know what I am talking about when it comes to the nature of the dictionary.

Sorry I see that as gay thinking, its not normal, people see in the dictionary words are classified as noun or adjective etc and their meaning is given.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear naotmaa,

Regardless of what the dictionary says, I know for a fact that gays and lesbians can be both physical and emotionally attracted to each other.

Ok well that seems to be gay thinking again to me. I know for a fact what you say is confused as I know that two people of the same sex can be emotionally attracted without having any sexual attraction.

Well no one is arguing with that.

So you agree that when people say a gay couple it could be a man and a woman then.

I don't think anyone is arguing that two gays or two lesbians can conceive on their own. What is your point?

well if two people of the same sex cant conceive that tells us at least nature hasn’t designed them to raise children.

They can adopt or they could use artifical insemination. I don't see any issue with this.

I do, as its artificial and not natural.

I'm aware of that. However, gays can still ave as much of a loving home for their child as a straight couple could.

Ah but you are just speaking for gays again, I am speaking for children and not wanting any unloving family.

 

[naotmaa]

Ok well that seems to be gay thinking again to me. I know for a fact what you say is confused as I know that two people of the same sex can be emotionally attracted without having any sexual attraction.

"Gay thinking"? I know for a fact two people of the same sex can be emotionally but not physically attracted to each other as well. I'mo not sure what your point is here.

So you agree that when people say a gay couple it could be a man and a woman then.

I don't remember what i was responding to. I don't agree that a gay couple can refer to a man and a woman, regardless of their orientation. it would be misleading.

I do, as its artificial and not natural.

The child will still be a child. However, I'm not big on artificial insemnaiton myself but other people have a right to do so.

Ah but you are just speaking for gays again, I am speaking for children and not wanting any unloving family.

I am speaking for the children and I don't want any child to be placed in an unloving home. I think that a child should be placed in the best home and if that home belongs to a gay or lesbian couple then I don't think it shold matter. Because it doesn't. This thread is about gays. The argument here is that a gay couple should not be able to have kids, which I strongly disagree with. Besides the fact that I have friends who were raised by same sex parents who have turned out perfectly fine and love their parents, there is no evidence that a child raised by same sex parents would be harmed in anyway. Quite the opposite. So based on my experiences and based on the evidence, of course I think gay couples should adopt.

 

[david_x]

If you're trying to change your sexual orientation, then yes, i do think its a terrible thing. But certainly bettering oneself isn't.

Same thing.

I don't think she sounded conceited at all. Whether you believe in God or not, it is up to you to get your butt moving to achieve what you want to achieve.

And how was she giving God the glory?

 

[naotmaa]

Same thing.

Ehhh..

And how was she giving God the glory?

ahh I don't know? she simply stated that she achieved all that she wanted to and that she was blessed. That doesn't sound conceited to me.

 

[david_x]

ahh I don't know? she simply stated that she achieved all that she wanted to and that she was blessed. That doesn't sound conceited to me.

Written for a christian.

 

[Gukkor]

Written for a christian.

It is through God that a person is able to accomplish great things, but that doesn't mean that a person can't factually state that they accomplished something great.

 

[Phinehas2]

Hi naotmaa,
Quote:
Ok well that seems to be gay thinking again to me. I know for a fact what you say is confused as I know that two people of the same sex can be emotionally attracted without having any sexual attraction.

..I'mo not sure what your point is here.

My point is exactly as you have said (but that wasn’t the dictionary definition) of course two people, whether of the same sex or opposite sex can be emotionally attracted to each other, without having any sexual attraction.

I don't remember what i was responding to. I don't agree that a gay couple can refer to a man and a woman, regardless of their orientation. it would be misleading.

Well this is the crucial bit. The dictionary definition of gay is merely people having a sexual orientation for the same sex, so a gay couple could be two people who have this same sex attraction but not for each other, they are just friends. You see gay thinking is always sexual, everything is defined by sex.

I am speaking for the children and I don't want any child to be placed in an unloving home.

me neither so why did mention about unloving homes, unloving homes is irrelevant to the sexual orientation of the couple.

 

[HaloHope]

Off on a slight tangent here but I'm curious as to if Im the only one who is mildly amused by this "gay thinking" rubbish that Phinehas seems to try and bring into every post that dosent agree with him.

What exactly is this fictional entity known as "gay thinking" and where did the concept come from?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Halohope,
Well I am just using the phrase 'gay thinking' to describe the 'rubbish' I am reading where the meaning of words used by people supporting same-sex unions doesnt even match dictionary definitions.
I hope that helps