Who is the woman in Revelation 12 poll

[Skoaler]

I hate to bust your faith.. but God in the beginning created many more men from the dust other than Adam.. All the races.. Black yellow white red ect.. Adam was just written and told because his descendants would bring the Christ..to save all races.. so he got all the attention in Genesis .. All other races were created the same and have the same pleasure of God's love... The tribe of Judah (The Jewish race) later was directly a seed from Adam and brought forth both Jesus (Through the seed of Mary) and the end time prophet (Through the seed of King David) One born (half by God and woman- Jesus) the latter other born by both human parents..(the last witness) or the 2 witnesses.. both are from the DNA bloodline of Adam.. one by the seed of a woman.. the last by a man.. The last witness of this must (overcome) just as Jesus did and must be (Fully born human- both his parents must be human) in order for all human races to be fairly judged.. at the end.. this person is the (Son of man) to come and judge you (not the son of God- Jesus) in order to make it fair.. your coming king must be fully human born.. a mother and a father and overcome.. He will not be something (easier) he will beat the nations to pieces with his rod of iron.. so do not expect love and hugs

 

[Skoaler]

Friend.. God only let us in on the man (Adam) he created that would have descendants to (The messiah) that is all you see in Genesis.. However he also created (Other man -- male and female) like Adam at the same time that were of other races.. White, black, asian, red.. All these other (Adams) you might say had the same (Procreate orders) Male and female just as Adam had with Eve.. and they did.. Many thousand years later the Genesis Adam's descendants through the 12 tribes of Jacob got spread all over the World.. intermarriage with all these (other Adam type races) by the (scattering) of Israel.. In other words (after thousands of years) God impregnated all the other races of the World with his Son (adam) who gave birth to the 12 tribes of Israel.. Unless your (DNA) has a trace of one of the 12 tribes.. you have no eternal salvation.. The goal is to (replace) all of Satan's children with a new seed of descendants.. Adams seed intermixed over thousands of years.. The current sons of God are to be removed and replaced.. this number is un countable.. This is the (good news) Jesus taught about.. this is why he only went to the poor and the sick to teach this good news.. because those that have made it famous or are rich -- are going to be replaced by new sons of God to come

 

[packermann]

Yes .. and Jesus cast out a legion of demons that were in (one) man.. you guys need to know there is (way more) going on.. God said (let us make man in our image) -- does that mean there has only been just (One man) that has been walking around on earth to this day?... It did not say (Let us create men in our image) This woman - is Abraham's promise.. his seed would be more than all the stars you can count in the sky -- (and this includes hubble telescope pictures) .. The entire universe stars we see is made up of his seed.. Abraham's.. those that are in the book of life

Still, it is only one man. And "let us make man in our image" is either a majestic plural or an indication of the Trinity. In either case, this is God, not us.

Just because there are indications that at times it can refer to a group but not mean it always refers to a group. If it always meant that, then Isaiah 53 would not refer to an individual but to a group, such as Israel. In fact, that is exactly how Jewish scholars see the Suffering Servant. It is not an individual, Jesus Christ, but is all the Jews.

There is also a problem with Israel being in heaven. This means that the Jews are in heaven. These are either Old Testament Jews, The Jews after the New Covenant who do not believe in Christ, or the Jews after the New Covenant who had received Christ (Messianic Jews), Each have a serious problem.

If they are OT Jews then that would mean that the Old Covenant is superior to the New. Only the OT Jews, not Christians, would have such a high place in heaven. But scripture says that the New Covenant is greater than the Old.

If they are the Jews after the New Covenant who do not believe in Christ, then that means there would be two ways a person could be saved - either through Christ or by being a Jew. But Jesus said that He is the way, the truth, or the life. No one can get to the Father but through Christ.

If they are Jews after the New Covenant who had received Christ (Messianic Jews), that is also a problem. Jews who believed in Jesus would be higher than other Christians. But if that is truer, then all non-Jews should first become Jews and then accept Christ. Then every Christian would would be in the highest position in heaven. But this goes against the rest of scripture, which is against non-Jewish Christian men being circumcised.

So to say that Jews are in heaven or even that Jews have a higher position in heaven than Christians apart from Christ goes against the rest of scripture.

 

[packermann]

The dragon is not just one person because of his description:

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

7 heads and ten horns is a great empire or kingdom. Likely it is Satan working through an Earthly government to have the male child killed which in fact is what happened when Christ was born when the king of the area had so many children killed hoping to kill Jesus.

So we have a dragon which is a group, a male child an individual and then this woman who IMO is not Mary but the people Mary came from, Israel particularly faithful Israel that would accept Christ as Messiah.

So you would say that Jews who accepted Jesus as the Messiah would have a higher position in heaven than the rest of us Christians?

 

[ewq1938]

So you would say that Jews who accepted Jesus as the Messiah would have a higher position in heaven than the rest of us Christians?

No .

 

[packermann]

No .

Then you are saying something without thinking out its implication. If Jewish Christians are clothed with the sun and wearing a crown of twelve stars then they must have a superior status than other Christians who are not clothed with the sun and not wearing a crown of twelve stars. Otherwise, this imagery is totally meaningless.

 

[keras]

Then you are saying something without thinking out its implication. If Jewish Christians are clothed with the sun and wearing a crown of twelve stars then they must have a superior status than other Christians who are not clothed with the sun and not wearing a crown of twelve stars. Otherwise, this imagery is totally meaningless.

Revelation 5:9-10 refutes any 'superior status' for any ethnic reason.
...by Your blood, you bought for God, people from every tribe, language and race. They are a royal house of priests and they shall reign on earth.

 

[ewq1938]

Then you are saying something without thinking out its implication. If Jewish Christians are clothed with the sun and wearing a crown of twelve stars then they must have a superior status than other Christians who are not clothed with the sun and not wearing a crown of twelve stars. Otherwise, this imagery is totally meaningless.

It has meaning, just not the one you are assigning it.

Rom_10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.