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Who "are" the sons of GOD in Genesis 6?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Pastor Bob Oliver, Oct 2, 2002.

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  1. The sixth of Genesis presents to us a most curious question--Who are the sons of GOD in the opening verses? Let me suggest the following:

    1) The Context--"When men began to multiply on the earth!"  The context, or circumstances, are clearly revealed, it has to do with "populating" the earth.

    2) The Key--"And daughters were born unto THEM"; notice here, that Moses makes a point of the human "daughters" that were produced by human fathers, but NOT the "sons"; Why? It's because he's preparing the reader for a most incredible "contrast".

    3) The Contradistinction--"That the SONS OF GOD saw the daughters OF MEN.....and THEY TOOK THEM WIVES!" Now, here we have a most interesting phraseology; we have two groups "identified" for us, the "sons of GOD" and the "daughters of men"; now, this title "sons of GOD" only appears 5 times in the entire OT, and it "never" refers to humans, but "always" to angelic beings (wether good or evil); watch--Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the SONS OF GOD came to present themselves before the LORD, and satan came also "among" THEM!" The seen is IN HEAVEN;   Job 2:1 "Again there was a day when the SONS OF GOD came to present themselves before the LORD, and satan also!" The devil appears to have "access" to the sons of GOD; Job 38:6,7 "Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof (pyramid), when the MORNING STARS SANG TOGETHER, AND ALL THE SONS OF GOD SHOUTED for joy?" Wow! much to chew on here; the term "sons of GOD" in the Masoretic Text (Hebrew) is "BEN ELOYHIM" which "only" occurs in these 5 verses OT; this is because "regeneration" was not possible until our DEAR LORD rose from the dead; NT occurrences of the phrase appear "repeatedly" concerning all those who've "become" sons of GOD by new birth; so we must conclude that the "sons of GOD" in Genesis 6:2,4 are NOT human but Divine beings who have the ability to manifest in the physical realm.

    4) The Problem--"And the LORD said, MY SPIRIT shall not always strive with man, FOR THAT HE ALSO IS FLESH!" What? Did you catch that? What does GOD mean when HE says "he also is flesh"? Well, what "else" is man? Brethren, something has occurred between verse 2 and 3; man has somehow become altered genetically, some type of supernatural mutation has taken place, as we'll see in the next verse. Something so heinious and bizzare that GOD has to "destroy" the entire civilization of planet earth.

    5) The Result--"There were GIANTS IN THE EARTH in those days; and ALSO AFTER THAT, WHEN THE SONS OF GOD came in unto the DAUGHTERS OF MEN, and THEY BARE THEM CHILDREN!!!" Woe! This is deep Brethren, if we have ears to Hear what saith the SPIRIT; Where did these GIANTS come from? How did they get back on earth ALSO AFTER THAT Flood? Who were the CHILDREN THEY BARE THEM? Now, Moses has opened up a real can of worms here, or has he? Listen, the answers lie within our Text--The Hebrew word here for GIANTS is "Nephiylim", it literally translates "GIANT TYRANTS!" These gargantuan monstrosities were the Result, of this unnatural union; they also appear in Numbers 13 when the spies searched out the Promised Land; they show up in I Sam 17 fighting on the side of the Philistines, enemies to GOD'S PEOPLE; numerous other OT passages reveal the existence of these Nephiylim both before, and after, the Flood!

    Brethren, "Consider what I say; and the LORD give thee understanding in ALL things!" May the LORD richly Bless you as we explore the Sacred Oracles!
     
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  2. Elnaam

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    Great post I agree!
     
  3. Andrew

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  4. JohnR7

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    Your a pastor and you do not know what a son of God is? If I were you, I would quit calling myself a pastor tell I found out what a son of God is.

    When we become born again, and take on the image of Jesus, we become sons of God. That means that we reflect God. Those who are NOT sons of God, reflect their father the devil.

    1 Cor. 15:45  And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

    1 Cor. 15:49  And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

    Adam at first was made in the image of God, he was a son of God. But then he fell from God and took on the image of the devil.

    Jesus is the express image of the Father. When we are born again, we become a new creation in Christ. We become the children of God and take on the image of our Father.

    Romans 8:14  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

    Galatians 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.



     



     
     
  5. Woe! Where did that brick come from? What ever happened to Christian love & compassion? Why are so many Christians so angry and not able to have peaceful, godly, discourse? Before one can respond to an article I believe it might help to "read" it first; If I wrote something wrong or offensive please email me, but please, let's be kind and considerate to each other; no one is angry or confrontational here, we are Brethren in Christ Jesus our LORD. GOD Bless You All!     PBO     Nahum 1:7  :sigh:
     
  6. Andrew

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    "Your a pastor and you do not know what a son of God is? If I were you, I would quit calling myself a pastor tell I found out what a son of God is. "

    This remark is uncalled for! Mind you he is a Pastor. Honour God's servant as you wld honour Jesus. If you can't agree just say so, no need to question his calling.
     
  7. JohnR7

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    Just because he is a pastor does not make him God's servant. IF he is saying that Angels had sex with the female humans, then I would question if he represents God or not.

    But now he is saying I misunderstood what he wrote and he wants me to go back and read it again more careful. Perhaps I need for him to explain it and make what he said a bit more clear.

    Statements like: "man has somehow become altered genetically, some type of supernatural mutation has taken place, as we'll see in the next verse. Something so heinious and bizzare that GOD has to "destroy" the entire civilization of planet earth."

    This is a bizzare statement to make. The Bible calls them: (Genesis 6:4b) "Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."

    I see a little bit of discrepency in calling "mighty men of renown" a "bizzare, heinious, supernatural mutation"



     
     
  8. Blackhawk

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    Well actually it is a widely held view.  No one rally knows who they were but there is much textual evidence that it does refer to angels.  I am in an OT class in seminary right now and my prof. could not say for sure.  He did say that there is no textual evidence to say that the Nephilum were giants.  I believe he said that was a septuigint error because they did not know what to do with thei passsage.  But in the Hebrew there is no reason to say that that is what it means.  However I am not a Hebrew scholar. He is.  And unfortunately he is not here to defend why he thinks this.  But I will try and find my notes where he showed the 2 main views of this part f Genesis 6 and the limitations and stregnths of each.  


     
     
  9. "I would question wether he is God's servant"

     

     

    :(

     

    Once again I see this hostility and personal attack from another Christian; I do not understand the nasty, carnal, bickering, and child-like accusations that seem to prevail on this "Christian" website; again, I am not the enemy, I'm simply attempting to put forth a particular view, held by countless servants of GOD, concerning Gen 6; I think part of the problem here, is that some one is thinking that I'm saying GOD'S Holy Angels had sex with human women; let me clarify--these are "Fallen angels" that "chose" to rebel against the MOST HIGH "with" Lucifer (Isaiah 14). Listen carefully to this verse--Jude 6,7 "And the ANGELS that SINNED, which kept not their first estate, but LEFT thier own HABITATION, HE hath reserved in everlasting chains under DARKNESS unto the JUDGMENT of the GREAT DAY; EVEN AS Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities around them IN LIKE MANNER, GIVING THEMSELVES OVER TO FORNICATION, AND GOING AFTER STRANGE FLESH!!!!

    II Peter 2:4--"For if GOD spared not the ANGELS THAT SINNED, but cast THEM DOWN TO HELL, and delivered THEM into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto Judgment; AND SPARED NOT THE OLD WORLD, but SAVED NOAH, the eighth person, a preacher of Righteousness, bringing in the FLOOD upon the world of the UNGODLY!!!!

    Now, I would ask you (humbly) to examine these passages, check out the references to "sons of GOD" in the "OT", and "PRAY" about it! Note: this study has absolutely "nothing" to do with your salvation, it's just an interesting subject--GOD Bless you all!

    In HIS Service,

    Through HIS BLOOD,

    PBO
     
  10. Pastor N.B.

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    P/N/B/ here:
    Just a 'loving reply' :)
    And remember to 'respect' your elders fellow Pastor :)
    OK:
    The sons of Adam were perfect in Christ until maturity. Gen. 3:15 was what made it so! Equal to the Truth of Rom. 8:1. (NO CONDENMATION) All were the sons of God up until Gen. 4.

    We see no more 'sons' for some time, ok? But in Gen. 4 verse 6-7 we see a grown man making a mature 'blunder'! Who does not? Yet, notice that the Master talks to Cain 'face to face' (full knowledge & equilvent to Acts 2's 'early rain') Think of REBELLION in maturity?

    Now pay attention: Up until this point Cain had not BECOME the son of man. He had accepted the ONLY PROVISON acceptable! He WAS a son of God! (THE LAMB OF GOD 'BY FAITH' IN THE FUTURE SACRIFICE OF CHRIST)

    Here is the verse in part:
    "IF thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? (of course he would have been!) and IF NOT, sin lieth at the door. (try 1 Jn. 5:16-17 for the MATURE SIN) And unto [thee] shall be his desire, [and thou shalt rule over him]."

    Now: who was in the midst of the garden of Eden also? From this time on, you see the 'son of man' with a new leader, and with another DESIRE also!
    Able the son of God, was killed by 's'atan's first creation, Cain. (from sin) He dis/obeyed God knowingly & in full LIGHT & WARNING! (it was his decision to bring a fruit sacrifice- compare the seventh-day Sabbath with this Mark 7:7's one)

    In other words God gave satan an aprox. 120 yr. head start befor the son of God came forth from Adam again. SETH by name. ---P/N/B/

    PS: naw, I agree with the other missive writter, that either, or both you or 'i', can be called a Pastor dumb, dumb :idea:! Isa. 56:10 is for our admonination also right?
     
  11. JohnR7

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    You are not my elder, your just another poster on a theology board. There maybe someone, somewhere that is subjecting themselves to your authority, but not me. You do not seem to be subjecting yourself to me as a prophet.

    1 Cor. 12:28  And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.

    Ephes. 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,

    Pastors are pretty low on the list if you want to start talking about authority. 

     

    I am not going to argue this with you. You just have to far to go if you think that angels can have sex with people. That is just nonsense. There are just to many people out there that have never been lied to or deceived and it is just easier to help them out. Once someone believes a lie it is twice as hard to get them to accept or believe the truth. 

    Matthew 22:29-30 Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. [30] For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.

    Mark 12:25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.



     
     
  12. Pastor N.B.

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  14. JohnR7

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    Ok, excuse me, you guys go ahead and have your discussion.
     
  15. LouisBooth

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    4 most common views.

    1. angels
    2. Pious sons of Seth
    3. Male decendants of Adam
    4. Royalty
     
  16. "Cain......was a son of God"   ???????????????????????????????

     

    Oh me oh my; That's it, I'm done, you win, I surrender, now you've really conviced me to recant on my theory concerning the sons of GOD  :( ; I'm not even about to respond to this statement about Cain; I now see that this thread is futile, and I will "not" engage in this mean-spirited, accusatory, disrespectful, malicious, carnal bickering; But let me say this to all--"But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against THE TRUTH; this wisdom descendeth NOT from Above, but is EARTHLY, SENSUAL, DEVILISH; for where envying and strife is, THERE is CONFUSION and every EVIL WORK!"  My word to you is (if you are Born Again), Walk In The SPIRIT...for the fruit of The SPIRIT is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, LONGSUFFERING, GENTLENESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MEEKNESS, TEMPERANCE...If we Live In The SPIRIT, let us also WALK In The SPIRIT!" Let's strive to be allowing GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT to rule over our hearts and lives continuosly, that we may indeed be called "The sons of GOD!"  GOD Bless you all!

    PBO
     
  17. Pastor N.B.

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  18. Andrew

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    "Just because he is a pastor does not make him God's servant. IF he is saying that Angels had sex with the female humans, then I would question if he represents God or not."

    So basically any Christian who holds this view (and there are many), whether a Pastor or Apostle or Prophet, you wld question his or her calling simply cos you dont agree with the 'theory'.

    "there is no textual evidence to say that the Nephilum were giants"

    what abt:

    Numbers 13:32,33
    32 And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, "The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size.
    33 We saw the Nephilim [giants KJV] there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."

    Deuteronomy 2:10,11
    10 (The Emites used to live there--a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites.
    11 Like the Anakites, they too were considered Rephaites [giants KJV], but the Moabites called them Emites.

    Deuteronomy 2:20,21
    20 (That too was considered a land of the Rephaites [giants KJV], who used to live there; but the Ammonites called them Zamzummites.
    21 They were a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites. The LORD destroyed them from before the Ammonites, who drove them out and settled in their place.

    Deuteronomy 3:11
    11 (Only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaites [giants KJV]. His bed was made of iron and was more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide. It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites.)

    1 Samuel 17:4
    4 A champion named Goliath, who was from Gath, came out of the Philistine camp. He was over nine feet tall.

    Goliath was more than nine feet tall. King Og's bed was more than 13 feet long. That would make him about 10 feet tall. The tallest human alive today is Naseer Ahmaad Soomro, who stands at 7 ft 8.9 in tall. The tallest human to date was only 8 feet 11 inches tall. The giants mentioned in the Bible were much taller.

    the Bible even gives the height measurements.
     
  19. JohnR7

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    Christianity is not about having "theorys", it is about having a relationship with God. It is about knowing God, and knowing what it means to be sons of God.

    Let me give you an example:  "I think part of the problem here, is that some one is thinking that I'm saying GOD'S Holy Angels had sex with human women; let me clarify--these are "Fallen angels" that "chose" to rebel against the MOST HIGH "with" Lucifer"

    Fallen angels are not sons of God. Just like sinners are not sons of God. To say that "fallen angels" or sinners are sons of God is more then bad theology, it is an apostasy, a falling way from the truth.  

    I do not question anyones calling. I believe God is calling everyone. I would question if they are responding to that call. But it is not my job to judge people. As I said, pastors are pretty low on the list. First you have apostles, then prophets, then evangelists, then pastors and teachers.

    How can I judge people I know nothing about. I do not know what denomination they belong to. I do not know who their bishop is. I do not know what authority structure they submit to.

    I have not seen any demonstration of the power of God. The Bible says there will be many who have a form of godliness, but they deny the power of God. They have none of the power and if you do not have miracles and healing, then I would question if you represent God or not.

    As Gideon said: If the Lord be with us, then where are the miracles? This is not about having theorys, this is about correct doctorine and knowing the truth. When you represent the truth, then there will be a demonstration of the power of God, in your ministry to show that you represent God.

    In the ministry I am a part of, we just purchased $500,000 worth of digital video equipment. We capture the miracles and the healing on video, so they are there for everyone to see. You can see with your own eyes people receive their sight, or there hearing or whatever miracles God is performing.

    Right now, one third of the tv sets get our weekly program and soon half of the tv sets in the world will be able to see the miracles and the healing as well as being able to hear the truth. We plan to reach the whole world with the purity of the gospel.

    It is not even our work really. God is going to accomplish His plan and His purpose. He is going to use whoever is willing to be used. Gideon got the job done with 300 people, and God can do the same thing today. Actually I am told that 50 people could get the job done if need be.

    Do you know of 50 people anywhere, who can reach 6 billion people with the truth of the gospel? Of course Gideon started out with quite a few more than 300, and everyone who started out with him, took a part and received a share of the reward.

    So, to sum it all up. This is not about "theory", it is about knowing the truth. This is not about being called by God, it is about answering that call. Thanks, JohnR7
     
  20. Andrew

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    "So, to sum it all up. This is not about "theory", it is about knowing the truth. "

    so how do you know that fallen angels having sex with women is not the truth? or do u assume that these pastors and Bible teachers did not do their homework and just thot up of some theory? how do u know they dont have scripture support?

    The phrase "sons of God" appears three more times in the Old Testament (Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7), and they always refer to angels. Therefore, "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2 should be interpreted with the same consistency. We should not interpret it as "humans" just so that it "makes more sense".

    Also, when something is a "son of God", it means that that thing was created directly by God, not by means of procreation. Angels were created directly by God. Christians are also called "sons of God" because their spirits have been recreated directly by the power of God.

    Hence, Genesis 6 is saying that fallen angels had sexual intercourse with women, who then gave birth to the giants.

    Why is that so hard to accept?
     
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