Who Are Gentiles, Really??

Amittai · Apr 4, 2020

I'm greedy so I've got the double dose !!!!!

(But not on the religious side, ostensibly)

Doesn't Scripture show us that the attitude of heart is what distinguished the "true Israel"?

When Jonah turned up he effectively begged the Assyrians to become hospitable to his people who were going to be taken in any time (starting with the Galileans in 733).

Jesus' only sign to us (Pharisees) is that of Jonah. Even Nineveh is going to judge the superior of attitude.

paul1149 · Apr 4, 2020

The genealogical records were destroyed in Jerusalem in 70AD, and I don't think there is any way to prove anything anymore. Which suits me fine. The Lord said He was going to make the two flocks one, and I think that ought to be our mindset.

faroukfarouk · Apr 4, 2020

@gospels Clearly from 1 Corinthians 10.32 there are three distinct groups of people in the world: Jews, Gentiles and the church of God.

GospelS · Apr 4, 2020

faroukfarouk said:
@gospels Clearly from 1 Corinthians 10.32 there are three distinct groups of people in the world: Jews, Gentiles and the church of God.

Yes, but how could anyone possibly know if they have a bloodline from Israel or not when they say they are gentile, not Jewish. Wouldn’t some would be remnant of Israel and they never even knew that?

faroukfarouk · Apr 4, 2020

gospels said:
Yes, but how could anyone possibly know if they have a bloodline from Israel or not when they say they are gentile, not Jewish. Wouldn’t some would be remnant of Israel and they never even knew that?

The point being that what's now doctrinally appropriate in the New Testament age is to abide by what Paul clearly shows.

Bible Highlighter · Apr 4, 2020

gospels said:
Some Christians assert or claim that they are gentiles. I have no idea how they come to that conclusion. The people of the nation of Israel mixed with other nations and they are spread across the world. I wonder how some people are able to trace their ancestry all the way back to the period of Genesis where all nations first started. Because I think there is no way someone can say they are gentile unless they know for sure that none of their whole ancestors ever belonged to the line of Jacob (Israel).

I received an Ancestry kit last year on my birthday. It was simple. I just spit in a test tube, closed it, and mailed it in, and they emailed me a in a few weeks, and they give me a trace of my DNA to certain regions in the world.

How it works - 23 and Me.

One large half of me is significantly Polish, etc. (Eastern European), and the other half of me is significantly German, and French (Northwestern European). I have a bunch of other stuff mixed in, as well. Basically, I am like a mutt dog breed. I did not see any trace to the Jewish region at all within me.

This means I am clearly a Gentile, and not a Jew. But when Jesus resurrects me one day after the likeness of His body (Which is purely Jewish), I will be resurrected after His DNA. I will then be technically Jewish when I am resurrected one day. Jesus will in that sense, be my everlasting Father.

jacks · Apr 4, 2020

gospels said:
Yes, but how could anyone possibly know if they have a bloodline from Israel or not when they say they are gentile, not Jewish. Wouldn’t some would be remnant of Israel and they never even knew that?

Yes, I think that is entirely possible. My sister had a DNA test and it came back she had some Ashkenazi in her. We thought we were 100% northern European. HERE is an article on the Ashkenzai Jews and it mentions they have been in Europe for over a 1000 years. There has been plenty of time for cross breeding.

That said I agree with Al Masihi, that we are spiritually all descendant of Abraham and part of the Covenant.

GospelS · Apr 4, 2020

faroukfarouk said:
The point being that what's now doctrinally appropriate in the New Testament age is to abide by what Paul clearly shows.

Well, Paul tells there is a remnant of Israel that will be saved and some of us could be one of them.

faroukfarouk · Apr 4, 2020

gospels said:
Well, Paul tells there is a remnant of Israel that will be saved and some of us could be one of them.

There will be a tribulation remnant but I don't believe in a merely partial rapture before the tribulation remnant emerges.

GospelS · Apr 4, 2020

faroukfarouk said:
There will be a tribulation remnant but I don't believe in a merely partial rapture before the tribulation remnant emerges.

Yes, so tribulation can happen in our lifetime, and some of us could be that remnant.

Aussie Pete · Apr 4, 2020

gospels said:
Some Christians assert or claim that they are gentiles. I have no idea how they come to that conclusion. The people of the nation of Israel mixed with other nations and they are spread across the world. I wonder how some people are able to trace their ancestry all the way back to the period of Genesis where all nations first started. Because I think there is no way someone can say they are gentile unless they know for sure that none of their whole ancestors ever belonged to the line of Jacob (Israel).

It no longer matters. In Christ there is no distinction.

faroukfarouk · Apr 4, 2020

gospels said:
Yes, so tribulation can happen in our lifetime, and some of us could be that remnant.

As I understand it, the tribulation of Matthew 24 and the general tribulation idea of John 16.33 are distinct.

The Matthew 24 passage - with its strong Jewish overtones - is not speaking about the church before the rapture.

klutedavid · Apr 4, 2020

gospels said:
You could have a direct bloodline to one of the tribes of Israel (from maybe one Israelite some 4000 years ago who journeyed and spread his legacy outside of Israel) and how would you know you are not?

There is less than a one percent chance that you have a lineage, from Isaac through Jacob.

danielmears · Apr 4, 2020

gospels said:
Some Christians assert or claim that they are gentiles. I have no idea how they come to that conclusion. The people of the nation of Israel mixed with other nations and they are spread across the world. I wonder how some people are able to trace their ancestry all the way back to the period of Genesis where all nations first started. Because I think there is no way someone can say they are gentile unless they know for sure that none of their whole ancestors ever belonged to the line of Jacob (Israel).

You have a point. I can trace my folks family tree back to Europe in the 1700's but prior to that it is not really traceable. No telling where we came from prior to that.

Semper-Fi · Apr 4, 2020

Who Are Gentiles?

A physical gential is anyone not from one
of the Tribes of Israel, or has not joined
themselfs to a nation of Israel.

The nations and the races are mentioned
in the Bible. Genesis 10 and 1 Chronicles 1
Some are easy to trace, some not.

A lot of prophency still about Israel,
in the "time of the end" not completed.

The Mysterious Table of Nations
The Truth About The Race Question

GospelS · Apr 4, 2020

Thanks for replies. Please share your comments in my new thread.

‘I Am A Gentile. This Is Not For Me’

GospelS · Apr 4, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
It no longer matters. In Christ there is no distinction.

Yes, no longer matters. I’m trying to understand why some people keep saying they are gentiles.

Randy777 · Apr 4, 2020

gospels said:
Some Christians assert or claim that they are gentiles. I have no idea how they come to that conclusion. The people of the nation of Israel mixed with other nations and they are spread across the world. I wonder how some people are able to trace their ancestry all the way back to the period of Genesis where all nations first started. Because I think there is no way someone can say they are gentile unless they know for sure that none of their whole ancestors ever belonged to the line of Jacob (Israel).

Man states many things. Its a good thing then that God states who are His children.

children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

GospelS · Apr 4, 2020

faroukfarouk said:
As I understand it, the tribulation of Matthew 24 and the general tribulation idea of John 16.33 are distinct.

The Matthew 24 passage - with its strong Jewish overtones - is not speaking about the church before the rapture.

Yes, but I’m trying to understand why some people keep saying they are gentiles when they do not know their whole ancestry.

jacks · Apr 4, 2020

gospels said:
Yes, but I’m trying to understand why some people keep saying they are gentiles when they do not know their whole ancestry.

It might be as simple as, they just assume they aren't. For example if you were to ask people "are you Spanish?" Those who aren't aware of being Spanish would just say "No". It is of course possible they may have some Spanish blood, but they wouldn't take that into consideration. In all honesty when ever we are asked are race/ethnicity, we should perhaps all check "Other".

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