FreeGrace2
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Ha. You've still failed to show any evidence that I've attempted to redefine anything.Your attempts to “redefine” the words of Jesus Christ are well noted on this Forum, as well as others from which you have been banned.
But what you've repeatedly attempted to do is reject the clear promise of Jesus regarding recipients of eternal life. They shall never perish. Case closed.
And since John 10:28 and 29 clearly state that believers are in His hand, believers cannot get out of His hand. And you know perfectly well that there are no verses that teach that believers have the power to remove themselves from God's hand.Jesus admonished His people to remain “in Him”.
So deal with it. That's reality.
Well, now you're conflating 2 different concepts. To be "in Christ" is to be "in union" with Him, per Eph 1:13,14. It the sealing ministry of the Holy Spirit. Are you or any believer more powerful than the Holy Spirit and can break His sealing? Of course not.Those who don’t remain “in Christ” are cast into the fire and burned burned.
Where is the verse that teaches that behavior will result in being removed from God's hand? It doesn't exist. And your theory is just that. Unproven.
Your error is equating being "in Christ" with "abiding in Christ".
I've explained it often enough and clear enough so that there is no excuse for not understanding them.
But everyone is free to accept or reject the truth.
Not to everyone. And esp not to Arminians.If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6
It’s crystal clear.
Right.In Christ = Eternal Life
What you repeatedly miss is that once sealed, NO ONE can be unsealed. You've never provided ANY verses that teach this, yet you continue to believe what you cannot support.Separated from Christ = Eternal Death.
otoh, I've provided plenty of evidence for the opposite; that the sealing is PERMANENT.
Eph 1:13,14
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
The red words REFUTE your unbiblical theories.
But that's not all.
Eph 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
You have been very clear about your opinions; that lifestyle or behavior has an eternal effect; that a believer whose lifestyle or behavior is sinful or unChristian will not go to heaven.
Yet, Paul couldn't have been more clear regarding the sealing ministry of the Spirit.
EVEN those believers who GRIEVE the Spirit are STILL sealed for the day of redemption.
And if that's not enough evidence:
2 Cor 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
We KNOW what "is to come", the redemption of God's sealed possession (every believer), from Eph 1:14 and 4:30.
But one is free to reject whatever they don't like. But to their own peril (God's discipline).
Actually, not. Scriture commands us to abide in Christ.Here is how the scriptures instruct us to remain “in Christ”.
The believer cannot not "remain in Christ". As I've just once again proven from Scripture.
But you have shown a complete disregard for the powerful sealing ministry of the Spirit.
You are, in essence, teaching that the sealing ministry of the Spirit is easily broken, and God's PROMISE and GUARANTEE of an inheritance on the day of redemption isn't really a promise or guarantee at all.
This is so clearly a verse on HOW to be in fellowship with the Lord. By obedience, of course.Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24
Why in the world would anyone make such a wild and erroneous conclusion about anything I've posted?Can you explain what motivates you to teach God’s people that they do not need to remain “in Christ”, or keep His commandments?
JLB
I have repeatedly shown FROM SCRIPTURE that once sealed, the believer is SECURE in Christ. It's you who have repeatedly rejected that biblical teaching by your denial of that truth.
And I have been very clear that believers MUST be in fellowship in order to bear fruit (John 15:1-6) and to be blessed and eternally rewarded.
It's you who have rejected this teaching and lead believers astray by thinking that God's promises aren't real. That recipients of eternal life can end up perishing.
That is directly AGAINST what the Lord Jesus SAID in John 10:28.
Your views are deceiving. Such teachers will face God's judgment.
James 3:1 - Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
Until you admit that God's sealing ministry is PERMANENT, you are teaching against God's very word.
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