Wherein I catch a profession YEC in a lie 2.0

[HitchSlap]

I got three words for you: context context & context. You can not takes things OUT of CONTEXT. They will lose their meaning because they become no longer relevant. This is a BIG BIG BIG issue in archaeology. Everything has to be documents and you have to know the sequence.

This makes your video very, very, very unscientific because when you lose context you lose relevance and meaning. You can butcher the evidence if you want but it's unscientific and it does not accomplish anything.

So you didn’t watch the video, then.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I am trying to get people to learn how to think for themselves.

Says the guy who simply goes with whatever his religious book says.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Says the guy who simply goes with whatever his religious book says.

WOW REALLY??????????????????????? I can NOT
BELIEVE you said that. I have offered you tons and tons and tons of scientific evidence to substantiate just how accurate and true the Bible is and you JUST ADMITTED that you disregarded and ignored every bit of that information that I provided for you.

I mean I know that you people were not reading those long posts and making any effort at all to examine the evidence. I just did not ever think that you would admit to that. The fact remains that you are going to filter out all the relevant, abundant and overwhelming evidence that goes against what you want to believe. Then you are going to pretend that evidence does not exist and claim I never handed it to you with a silver spoon on a silver platter. But you can be sure the day will come when you will be held accountable. The Bible clearly says: "no one will be justified in His sight". Romans 3:20 "every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God." You can ignore all you want to ignore and filter out all you want to filter but in the end none of that will do you any good. Instead you should take a good heard look at the evidence I am giving or at least read it instead of skimming over it and totally disregarding it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So you didn’t watch the video, then.

I watched enough to make a comment which is more than anyone else did.

I mean to be fair my son is around 20 and he still watches cartoon too. He thinks that somehow they are educational.

 

[DogmaHunter]

WOW REALLY??????????????????????? I can NOT
BELIEVE you said that. I have offered you tons and tons and tons of scientific evidence to substantiate just how accurate and true the Bible is and you JUST ADMITTED that you disregarded and ignored every bit of that information that I provided for you.

Correction: you misrepresent science and happily pick and choose those things you can forcefit in whatever you believe the bible is saying.

By your own admission on countless occasions, if science disagrees with the bible, it must mean that the science is wrong as far as you are concerned.

I mean I know that you people were not reading those long posts and making any effort at all to examine the evidence. I just did not ever think that you would admit to that.

I do not admit to that either. I read at least every post I reply to in full. I read most of the rest of the thread as well.

The fact remains that you are going to filter out all the relevant, abundant and overwhelming evidence that goes against what you want to believe.

No, that's what YOU do. Just about every time you claim that "true science proves the bible". Because it doesn't. Not even by a long shot.

I'm happy to go wherever the evidence leads me.

But you can be sure the day will come when you will be held accountable

And out come the threats.........................

. The Bible clearly says: "no one will be justified in His sight". Romans 3:20 "every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God." You can ignore all you want to ignore and filter out all you want to filter but in the end none of that will do you any good

yes, yes... "believe me, or else!!!!"

Uhu.

Instead you should take a good heard look at the evidence I am giving or at least read it instead of skimming over it and totally disregarding it.

I did and my conclusion is written above: cherry picking, force fitting, denial of what can't be force fitted and general misrepresentation.

That's how you "prove" Noah's flood etc.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Correction: you misrepresent science and happily pick and choose those things you can forcefit in whatever you believe the bible is saying.

I have no control over science and I have no control over the Bible. I have to go where the evidence leads me. God gave us the Bible and God is giving us Science or at least the evidence that we base Science on. Actually God gives us wisdom, knowledge and understanding. He gives us the ability to understand the universe and how He created the universe. In some ways He puts the ability in us to be able to create. For example in the building of the Temple the Bible talks about craftsman and I am a craftsman. There are people that work in wood or stone or metal. God gives them the ability. Exodus 31:3 " I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom, with understanding, with knowledge and with all kinds of skills--"

The gifts of God are irrevocable. We all have gifts, talents and abilities. Then God leaves it up to us if we want to use what we have to bring Him honor or glory or if we want to rebel against God. Elton John wonders about this. When his life was a total mess he could still walk out on stage and perform. The chaos in his life did not effect the gifts, talents and abilities that he has.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No, that's what YOU do. Just about every time you claim that "true science proves the bible". Because it doesn't. Not even by a long shot.

You have not shown that. Present your evidence. The only thing science can do is show that Noah's flood was not a world wide flood. So we have to correct our understanding of the Bible based on what we know from science. You can quote the skeptics Bible if you want. All you are going to do is demonstrate to us what a reprobate mind is and what faulty thinking is all about. We have had conversations about Steve Wells before and his faulty logic and defective reasoning. Just like we have had conversations about Hawkins and his defunct version of evolutionary theory.

We welcome true science and their evidence to help us better understand our Bible.

 

[joshua 1 9]

yes, yes... "believe me, or else!!!!"

Or else what? You testify against yourself. I am an annihilationist and you are an annihilationist. Unless you think you are going to live forever. I just agree with what you claim that at some point in time everything you are and everything you represent is going to turn back into dust.

Do you disagree with Solomon when he says: Ecc 1:2 "Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity." Because I hear you preach that sermon all of the time.

"Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless."

"Utterly pointless," says the Teacher. "Absolutely pointless; everything is pointless."

 

[DogmaHunter]

You have not shown that.

Plenty of people have been showing you that, every time you create threads like the flood thread.

We welcome true science and their evidence to help us better understand our Bible.

And whenever science doesn't agre with your bible, it's not "true" science by definition, I bet?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Or else what?

Or..."you will be held accountable" - your own words.

You testify against yourself. I am an annihilationist and you are an annihilationist. Unless you think you are going to live forever. I just agree with what you claim that at some point in time everything you are and everything you represent is going to turn back into dust.

The difference is, that to me that seems to be the natural order of things for everyone. And not some "punishment" that I apparantly "deserve".

Do you disagree with Solomon when he says: Ecc 1:2 "Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity." Because I hear you preach that sermon all of the time.

"Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless."

"Utterly pointless," says the Teacher. "Absolutely pointless; everything is pointless."

Not sure what your point is.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Says the guy who simply goes with whatever his religious book says

Hello dogma.

You seem to have an answer. What should we go by my dear?

Cheers

 

[DogmaHunter]

Hello dogma.

You seem to have an answer. What should we go by my dear?

Cheers

The evidence of reality.
When reality disagrees with faith based beliefs, it's not reality that is incorrect.

And when there is no evidence to draw conclusions from, we are talking about an unknown. At that point, the only rational thing to do is simply acknowledge that ignorance by saying "we don't know". Not "therefor, this faith based belief here is correct".

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

At that point, the only rational thing to do is simply acknowledge that ignorance by saying "we don't know".

Thank you for this reply and the other. They seem relatable so lets continue here.

In view of this evidence of reality. Is your position agnostic or uncertainty?

I'ld say that, in context of claims, "true" means: that which reflects objective reality.

Does this mean thoughts and reasoning with facts that are observed?


What can you offer me?


Cheers

 

[DogmaHunter]

Thank you for this reply and the other. They seem relatable so lets continue here.
In view of this evidence of reality. Is your position agnostic or uncertainty?

Not sure what you are asking.

I'll just say that I don't deal in "certainties".
And (a)gnosticism is not really related here.

To be agnostic about something, is the assume the thing is unknowable.
What is currently unknown, isn't necessarily unknowable.

Does this mean thoughts and reasoning with facts that are observed?
What can you offer me?

Can you reformulate your question? And perhaps provide a bit of context or something?
Your questions sound extremely vague to me and I'm not sure what exactly you are asking about.

Not sure what it is that is tripping you up about that quote either....

"True is that which reflects reality".
Seems pretty straightforward...

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

I'll just say that I don't deal in "certainties"

Hey hey there


What would be some examples of these "certainties" which u do not deal with?

What is currently unknown, isn't necessarily unknowable.

What would you consider something as unknown that could be knowable?

"True is that which reflects reality"

Truth is the embodiment or that which represents (the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them) in a faithful or appropriate way.

Seems pretty straightforward...

Please excuse me. I might be slow but i get there eventually.

Can you reformulate your question? And perhaps provide a bit of context or something?

Well lets try this. You seem to know something. You seem certain there is no God and the whole Christian thing is false.

What would you offer me as a substitute for faith in God? God has an offer. Salvation, after life insurance - What would you offer me? What belief system should i follow?

Cheers

 

[joshua 1 9]

Or..."you will be held accountable" - your own words.

I do not use my words. I use the word of God, the Bible. God is more than willing to stand behind HIS word to perform and to do what HE says He is going to do. We have a Covenant relationship with God. IF we do our part of the Covenant then we can be 100% assured that God will for-fill and perform His part of the Covenant that He offers us. This is why people have what they call pocket promise books that are filled with promises from God.

Also God provides for us HUGE amounts of Scientific Evidence to show us how accurate and true the Bible is. People can ignore that evidence if they want to deny what God give us. But in the end they will still be held accountable for what they know to be true. The prisons are filled with people that thought they were going to get away with something and it turns out they do not get away with anything at all. After WW2 the Nazi would hide hoping they could get away with their war crimes. But they hunted them down and held them to be responsible for their crimes and they did not get away with anything at all.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What would you offer me as a substitute for faith in God? God has an offer. Salvation, after life insurance - What would you offer me? What belief system should i follow?

I can answer that question. Apart from God people have what they call the placebo effect, the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking. There are motivational experts that are often popular with sports and business to hype people up to get them out to do their job. This is why we have controlled studies and what is real has to go beyond the effect you get with a placebo. Although modern science tends to use the old treatment plan and the new proposed treatment. The study has to show that their new and improved treatment plan is better then the old plan and what they were doing to deal with the issue or the problem.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The evidence of reality.

By all means produce your evidence, show us what you have.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

I can answer that question. Apart from God people have what they call the placebo effect, the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking. There are motivational experts that are often popular with sports and business to hype people up to get them out to do their job. This is why we have controlled studies and what is real has to go beyond the effect you get with a placebo. Although modern science tends to use the old treatment plan and the new proposed treatment. The study has to show that their new and improved treatment plan is better then the old plan and what they were doing to deal with the issue or the problem.

Hey hey saint.

Thank you for reading my post. Your post was very interesting thank you for taking the time.

God bless you my dear

 

[DogmaHunter]

I do not use my words. I use the word of God, the Bible. God is more than willing to stand behind HIS word to perform and to do what HE says He is going to do. We have a Covenant relationship with God. IF we do our part of the Covenant then we can be 100% assured that God will for-fill and perform His part of the Covenant that He offers us. This is why people have what they call pocket promise books that are filled with promises from God.

Also God provides for us HUGE amounts of Scientific Evidence to show us how accurate and true the Bible is. People can ignore that evidence if they want to deny what God give us. But in the end they will still be held accountable for what they know to be true. The prisons are filled with people that thought they were going to get away with something and it turns out they do not get away with anything at all. After WW2 the Nazi would hide hoping they could get away with their war crimes. But they hunted them down and held them to be responsible for their crimes and they did not get away with anything at all.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but plenty of nazi's did get away with it and lived happily ever after in countries like Argentina etc with false identities.

The rest of your post is just the same old bunch of bare assertions mixed with preaching.

I've lost interest. You're like a broken record.