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Wherein I catch a profession YEC in a lie 2.0

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Here we have Paulogia & Shannon Q dismantling Georgia Purdom's blatant lies. It's a bit long, however, it skillfully explains how creationists will distort then deliberately lie to support their cause (in the case of AiG, their sinking ship - pun intended).


tas8831, I hope you don't mind me copping your thread title.
 

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tas8831, I hope you don't mind me copping your thread title.


Absolutely not - I would love to see all science-minded people make new threads outlining the tactics/antics of creationists.

And Purdom is something else. Seen her in action before - check out her interview with Michael Shermer...
 
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Here we have Paulogia & Shannon Q dismantling Georgia Purdom's blatant lies. It's a bit long, however, it skillfully explains how creationists will distort then deliberately lie to support their cause (in the case of AiG, their sinking ship - pun intended).


tas8831, I hope you don't mind me copping your thread title.

It was nice that Tomkins came up as well. He has some major issues in his claims.

What I wonder is why no creationists - neither Tomkins nor Purdom - have done any sort of genetic analysis on groups of critters claimed or believed to have been derived from an original created Kind...
 
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It was nice that Tomkins came up as well. He has some major issues in his claims.

What I wonder is why no creationists - neither Tomkins nor Purdom - have done any sort of genetic analysis on groups of critters claimed or believed to have been derived from an original created Kind...
Because they can't define "kind" so wouldn't know where to start?
 
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Here we have Paulogia & Shannon Q dismantling Georgia Purdom's blatant lies. It's a bit long, however, it skillfully explains how creationists will distort then deliberately lie to support their cause (in the case of AiG, their sinking ship - pun intended).


tas8831, I hope you don't mind me copping your thread title.
I got three words for you: context context & context. You can not takes things OUT of CONTEXT. They will lose their meaning because they become no longer relevant. This is a BIG BIG BIG issue in archaeology. Everything has to be documents and you have to know the sequence.

This makes your video very, very, very unscientific because when you lose context you lose relevance and meaning. You can butcher the evidence if you want but it's unscientific and it does not accomplish anything.
 
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Because they can't define "kind" so wouldn't know where to start?
We have dictionaries, we can look the definition of words up.

[מִין] noun [masculine] kind, species (Late Hebrew id. (Ecclus 43:25 id.), also schismatic, heretic; Jewish-Aramaic מִינָא, species; Palestinian Syriac = nationPS2094 SchwIdioticon 50; yet not Aramaic loan-word in Hebrew; see LagBN 183 f.); — always suffix + preposition לְמִינֵהוּ Genesis 1:12 (twice in verse) + 2t.; לְמִינוֺGenesis 1:11 (omitted by ᵐ5) + 3 t.; לְמִינָהּ Genesis 1:24 (twice in verse) + 9 t.; לְמִינָהֿ Ezekiel 47:10 (strike out Co); לְמִינֵהֶם Genesis 1:21; — kind, species, of plant Genesis 1:11,12 (twice in verse); usually of animal (beast, bird, fish, insect) Genesis 1:21,22,24 (twice in verse); Genesis 1:25 (3 t. in verse); Genesis 6:20 (3 t. in verse); Genesis 7:14 (4 t. in verse); Leviticus 11:14,15,16,19,22 (4 t. in verse); Leviticus 11:29 (all P); also Deuteronomy 14:13,14,15,18 (compare Leviticus) Ezekiel 47:10 (on text, compare Co).
 
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I got three words for you: context context & context. You can not takes things OUT of CONTEXT. They will lose their meaning because they become no longer relevant. This is a BIG BIG BIG issue in archaeology. Everything has to be documents and you have to know the sequence.

This makes your video very, very, very unscientific because when you lose context you lose relevance and meaning. You can butcher the evidence if you want but it's unscientific and it does not accomplish anything.
If you are arguing for context, it only makes sense to actually present the context of an example in the video to show how the "debunking" is taking the creationist claims out of context.
 
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We have dictionaries, we can look the definition of words up.

[מִין] noun [masculine] kind, species (Late Hebrew id. (Ecclus 43:25 id.), also schismatic, heretic; Jewish-Aramaic מִינָא, species; Palestinian Syriac = nationPS2094 SchwIdioticon 50; yet not Aramaic loan-word in Hebrew; see LagBN 183 f.); — always suffix + preposition לְמִינֵהוּ Genesis 1:12 (twice in verse) + 2t.; לְמִינוֺGenesis 1:11 (omitted by ᵐ5) + 3 t.; לְמִינָהּ Genesis 1:24 (twice in verse) + 9 t.; לְמִינָהֿ Ezekiel 47:10 (strike out Co); לְמִינֵהֶם Genesis 1:21; — kind, species, of plant Genesis 1:11,12 (twice in verse); usually of animal (beast, bird, fish, insect) Genesis 1:21,22,24 (twice in verse); Genesis 1:25 (3 t. in verse); Genesis 6:20 (3 t. in verse); Genesis 7:14 (4 t. in verse); Leviticus 11:14,15,16,19,22 (4 t. in verse); Leviticus 11:29 (all P); also Deuteronomy 14:13,14,15,18 (compare Leviticus) Ezekiel 47:10 (on text, compare Co).
OK. AiG claims kind is either Genus or Family (sometines even in the same sentence!). So you've helped make my point.

By the way, thank you for providing evidence for a change.
 
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Unfortunately, it looks exactly like fake news on both sides,
with no one supporting nor seeking the truth, as usual.
Old story.
Old news.
Just repeating continually until the end.
Grab a cup of coffee, sit back and enjoy !
This is like a rerun every year for years :) ......
 
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If you are arguing for context, it only makes sense to actually present the context of an example in the video to show how the "debunking" is taking the creationist claims out of context.
Do you really want people to think things through for you? Maybe we could set you up with a shock jock if you want someone to think for you. I am trying to get people to learn how to think for themselves.
 
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OK. AiG claims kind is either Genus or Family (sometines even in the same sentence!). So you've helped make my point.

By the way, thank you for providing evidence for a change.
My point is that people need to stick to Bishop Ussher and quit trying to add to his book or take away from it. We have to stick to the pattern or the template if we want things to come out right. What Moses gives us in the Bible (3500 years ago) is enough. We can not add to what he tells us or take away from it.
 
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Do you really want people to think things through for you? Maybe we could set you up with a shock jock if you want someone to think for you. I am trying to get people to learn how to think for themselves.
Actually you appear to be trying to annoy people. Why don't you set a good example by stopping the tap dance and engaging in honest debate. No more prevarication, no more dissembling, no more shifting the burden of proof. Demonstrate what you claim to have learnt. Educate the ignorant. Show us what we need to see.
 
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Show us what we need to see.
The question is, what is the point of the story of Adam and Eve? How do they relate to us and how do we apply the lesson we learn from them to our lives?

IF you want to talk about YEC then you have to start 6,000 years ago. I think that science has a lot to say about what was going on 6,000 years ago. They talk about the neolithic or agricultural revolution. They talk about the beginning of cities or the beginning of civilization. They talk about the beginning of recorded history. We have artifacts that go back a lot further then 6,000 years but we do not have writing or recorded history before this point in time.

Do you have a story of anyone before Adam and Eve?
 
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The question is, what is the point of the story of Adam and Eve? How do they relate to us and how do we apply the lesson we learn from them to our lives?

IF you want to talk about YEC then you have to start 6,000 years ago. I think that science has a lot to say about what was going on 6,000 years ago. They talk about the neolithic or agricultural revolution. They talk about the beginning of cities or the beginning of civilization. They talk about the beginning of recorded history. We have artifacts that go back a lot further then 6,000 years but we do not have writing or recorded history before this point in time.

Do you have a story of anyone before Adam and Eve?
Troll. Putting you on ignore.
 
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Do you really want people to think things through for you? Maybe we could set you up with a shock jock if you want someone to think for you. I am trying to get people to learn how to think for themselves.
You were the one that claimed stuff was being taken out of context. In a debate subforum. Thus, it is your job to find material that supports the claims you make, not me or anyone else.
 
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OK. AiG claims kind is either Genus or Family
That is nice but what does this have to do with anything? God gave it to man to name the animals. So you can call them whatever you want to call them.

Adam Names the Animals
…19 Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him. Genesis 2:20

Why was there no helper suitable for Adam?
 
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Thus, it is your job to find material that supports the claims you make, not me or anyone else.
All I am doing is asking for you to tell me what you think about the story of Adam and Eve. Is that asking to much to ask people to think for themselves instead of allowing others to do their thinking for them?
 
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All I am doing is asking for you to tell me what you think about the story of Adam and Eve. Is that asking to much to ask people to think for themselves instead of allowing others to do their thinking for them?
Uh... wrong person, this is a discussion you are having with someone else. I was talking about your claim that the video in the OP takes creationist statements out of context in order to debunk them, and then you said I had to investigate for myself rather than you defending your claim. Which I protested to. And now this. Please stay on topic and don't confuse your conversation with me with your conversation with Bungle Bear.
 
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Please stay on topic
If by topic you are talking about the video in the first post, I have no problem with man descending from the monkey, ape or chimp. BECAUSE I believe in what they call the incarnation when GOD became a part of His creation. We tend to think of evolution as a fine tuning process. But that is not the topic.

Evolution does not talk about the fallen condition of creation and the need for God to become a part of His creation to redeem and to restore creation back to His purpose and intent.
 
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If by topic you are talking about the video in the first post, I have no problem with man descending from the monkey, ape or chimp. BECAUSE I believe in what they call the incarnation when GOD became a part of His creation. We tend to think of evolution as a fine tuning process. But that is not the topic.

Evolution does not talk about the fallen condition of creation and the need for God to become a part of His creation to redeem and to restore creation back to His purpose and intent.
Wow, you still aren't staying on topic of our conversation, and cut out the entire part of my post that explained what that topic was. How many times do I have to request that you not reduce my posts down to one sentence when you respond to them?
 
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