Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

[Gary K]

thanks @reddogs, is your answer "yes"? You can keep the OC law including the 10 Commandments?

Can you keep the law requiring us to love our neighbor as ourselves?

 

[pasifika]

Can you keep the law requiring us to love our neighbor as ourselves?

YES! "i can do ALL things through CHRIST...Ph 4:13

 

[Gary K]

YES! "i can do ALL things through CHRIST...Ph 4:13

Then why can't we keep the 10 commandments?

 

[pasifika]

Then why can't we keep the 10 commandments?

different covenants..

 

[Gary K]

different covenants..

Oh, so the law of God written in our hearts keeps us from loving others and God?

 

[pasifika]

Oh, so the law of God written in our hearts keeps us from loving others and God?

No, the law written in our hearts is what made us Love God and others. (the law written in our hearts is the NC version ie SPIRIT/CHRIST of the law written on tablets of stone of the OC ie LETTER/ WRITTEN CODE). see 2Corins 3: 2-7

 

[Gary K]

No, the law written in our hearts is what made us Love God and others. (the law written in our hearts is the NC version ie SPIRIT/CHRIST of the law written on tablets of stone of the OC ie LETTER/ WRITTEN CODE).

You missed the point. If someone loves God supremely will they disobey Him? If someone loves their neighbor as themselves will they do them any kind of harm? Will they honor/respect their parents? How does that break the 10 commandments?

 

[pasifika]

You missed the point. If someone loves God supremely will they disobey Him? If someone loves their neighbor as themselves will they do them any kind of harm? Will they honor/respect their parents? How does that break the 10 commandments?

you mean by nature? the answer is NO. We are by nature are evil in our ways... you can Only Love God and others through the work of God within you.

 

[Gary K]

you mean by nature? the answer is NO. We are by nature are evil in our ways... you can Only Love God and others through the work of God within you.

I fully agree with that. But how does loving God supremely and others as ourselves through the power of the indwelling Spirit keep us from from keeping the commandments? There's a dichotomy in your thinking concerning the love of God in our lives and keeping the commandments. The scribe actually paraphrased the OT when he told the Jesus those principles and Jesus told him he was far from the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Leaf473]

Exodus 15: 26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the Lord that healeth thee.

Science has caught up to the fact that eating unhealthfully causes all kinds of diseases. It;s another Biblical example of God taking responsibility for evil when He is no way responsible for it.

If eating unhealthfully causes diseases then not eating unhealthfully helps prevent disease. Its an if/then statement in which both statements must be true.. In those days they didn't have an environment filled with toxins and carcinogens so the only way to get sick was to eat the wrong foods. As walking was the only way to get around so they got plenty of exercise.

Okay, so when it comes to saying what is a "health law", the passage that you posted from Exodus 15 says this

give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes

Are those God's "health laws"? His commandments, and all his statutes?

 

[Gary K]

Okay, so when it comes to saying what is a "health law", the passage that you posted from Exodus 15 says this

Are those God's "health laws"? His commandments, and all his statutes?

You know God had given dietary restrictions after the flood and before sin. Commands from God are laws to us as long as they are in force for some of His laws are prophetic in nature such as the sanctuary services pointing to Jesus' death. As long as we are alive on this earth there is no end to the dietary laws as God is always concerned about our quality of life.

 

[Leaf473]

You know God had given dietary restrictions after the flood and before sin. Commands from God are laws to us as long as they are in force for some of His laws are prophetic in nature such as the sanctuary services pointing to Jesus' death. As long as we are alive on this earth there is no end to the dietary laws as God is always concerned about our quality of life.

Gary, my man, the question is:
What is meant by "health laws"?

Are they all found in Leviticus 11?

 

[pasifika]

I fully agree with that. But how does loving God supremely and others as ourselves through the power of the indwelling Spirit keep us from from keeping the commandments? There's a dichotomy in your thinking concerning the love of God in our lives and keeping the commandments. The scribe actually paraphrased the OT when he told the Jesus those principles and Jesus told him he was far from the kingdom of heaven.

for us, to love God and to keep His commandments is first to "know Him" its a process through the work of the Spirit (NC), but once we know Him fully we "believe in Him" then we received the Spirit. then the Spirit/Christ within us fills us with the fullness of God's Love also to enable us to Keep ALL commandments including the 10 commandments.

this the main difference in OC and NC is the work of the "spirit".

 

[Gary K]

Gary, my man, the question is:
What is meant by "health laws"?

Are they all found in Leviticus 11?

No. Why would you ask that? I've already said that.

So you're going to argue that a command by God concerning not getting diseases has nothing to do with health? I can see no other reason for your other question, for the umpteenth time. Or, that God shouldn't be concerned with our health while we live in a world of sin?

 

[Leaf473]

No. Why would you ask that? I've already said that.

You've already said that all the "health laws" are found in Leviticus 11, or that some are outside of Leviticus 11?

So you're going to argue that a command by God concerning not getting diseases has nothing to do with health?

No, I'm not arguing that. I'm asking you what is meant by "health laws".

If you're referring to Exodus 15, it says "pay attention to his commandments, and keep all his statutes".

Are those the "health laws"? "His commandments and all his statutes"?

I can see no other reason for your other question, for the umpteenth time.

What do you mean by "other question"? What questions do you perceive me to be asking?

The reason I keep asking about the "health laws" is that I don't recall a clear definition of what is meant by that term.

If you gave a clear definition somewhere, and I missed it, please give the post number

Or, that God shouldn't be concerned with our health while we live in a world of sin?

I think God is very concerned with our health.

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 12:7 - New International Reader's Version

In fact, he even counts every hair on your head! So don’t be afraid. You are worth more than many sparrows.

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[Leaf473]

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Are they all found in Leviticus 11?

No. Why would you ask that? I've already said that.

Gary my man,
Would this be a better question to ask:
What is the first health law that we come to in the book of Leviticus?

 

[Gary K]

You've already said that all the "health laws" are found in Leviticus 11, or that some are outside of Leviticus 11?


No, I'm not arguing that. I'm asking you what is meant by "health laws".

If you're referring to Exodus 15, it says "pay attention to his commandments, and keep all his statutes".

Are those the "health laws"? "His commandments and all his statutes"?


What do you mean by "other question"? What questions do you perceive me to be asking?

The reason I keep asking about the "health laws" is that I don't recall a clear definition of what is meant by that term.

If you gave a clear definition somewhere, and I missed it, please give the post number


I think God is very concerned with our health.

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 12:7 - New International Reader's Version

In fact, he even counts every hair on your head! So don’t be afraid. You are worth more than many sparrows.

www.biblegateway.com

I changed my mind as I had forgotten about the changes of diet after the flood.

Health laws? We've discussed this ad infinitum. They are the clean and unclean animals that God defined along with not eating blood because it is the life thereof.

Nothing more to them. You don't even follow the no blood rule set up by the Jerusalem council so you are not the least bit interested in the health laws.

 

[reddogs]

thanks @reddogs, is your answer "yes"? You can keep the OC law including the 10 Commandments?

Day by day, I get stronger in the Lord and I keep asking for His help and He brings me along on the path.

 

[Leaf473]

I changed my mind as I had forgotten about the changes of diet after the flood.

It seems like a good thing that we kept discussing it, then

Health laws? We've discussed this ad infinitum.

I like to keep asking until a clear answer is given.

They are the clean and unclean animals that God defined along with not eating blood because it is the life thereof.

"Health laws" refers only to animals? Food which is otherwise clean, such as a vegetable or even water can become unclean. But that law is not a health law?

Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 11:34 - New International Reader's Version

Any food that could be eaten but has water on it that came from that pot is “unclean.” And any liquid that could be drunk from it is “unclean.”

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Nothing more to them. You don't even follow the no blood rule set up by the Jerusalem council so you are not the least bit interested in the health laws.

I'm interested in learning what people mean by the phrase "health laws".

But you're correct that I don't keep any parts of the law of Moses literally. And I do view the council at Jerusalem as issuing temporary measures.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 - New International Reader's Version

Eat anything sold in the meat market. Don’t ask if it’s right or wrong. Scripture says, “The earth belongs to the Lord. And so does everything in it.” (Psalm 24:1)

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[Gary K]

It seems like a good thing that we kept discussing it, then


I like to keep asking until a clear answer is given.


"Health laws" refers only to animals? Food which is otherwise clean, such as a vegetable or even water can become unclean. But that law is not a health law?

Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 11:34 - New International Reader's Version

Any food that could be eaten but has water on it that came from that pot is “unclean.” And any liquid that could be drunk from it is “unclean.”

www.biblegateway.com

I'm interested in learning what people mean by the phrase "health laws".

But you're correct that I don't keep any parts of the law of Moses literally. And I do view the council at Jerusalem as issuing temporary measures.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 - New International Reader's Version

Eat anything sold in the meat market. Don’t ask if it’s right or wrong. Scripture says, “The earth belongs to the Lord. And so does everything in it.” (Psalm 24:1)

www.biblegateway.com

Do you use clay pots and drinking vessels that absorb anything that's in the water placed it them? This is just plain common sense that this has passed away as technology has increased. The situation created the need for the law. Just like the point in history required a symbolic worship service to point forward to Jesus.

This is so obvious I find it astounding that so many Christians act as if they are oblivious to it.