Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?

[CaDan]

*laughs a bit at how the other creation account is ignored*

 

[CaDan]

Whether or not God is a prankster or created toffee or anything else is outside of the question raised in the OP and are a derailment of this thread. Using the scriptures provided can you answer the question? A simple yes or no will do.

*shnort*

The premise has been critiqued. You and your compatriots are getting your rear ends kicked on the framework debate and still you persist.

*Looks in Genesis 2 for triangles*

Nope, not mentioned. Triangles do not exist!!11!!!!

*Looks in Genesis 2 for Lutherans*

Nope, not mentioned. Lutherans do not exist!!111!!!!

 

[CaDan]

*Looks in Genesis 2 for derailments*

Nope, not mentioned. Derailments do not exist!!11!!!!

 

[Zecryphon]

CaDan are you going to post anything that relates to the question raised in the OP? If not, let me know now, so that when I see a post from you I can just skip it knowing that it will contain nothing of value relating to the OP.

 

[CaDan]

CaDan are you going to post anything that relates to the question raised in the OP? If not, let me know now, so that when I see a post from you I can just skip it knowing that it will contain nothing of value relating to the OP.

So you're conceding the framework debate? Nice. So we can just close this up as nonsensical, right?

 

[CaDan]

Further research has indicated that electricity is not mentioned in Genesis 2.

Electricity does not exist!11!!11!

 

[Zecryphon]

I'm hardly getting my butt kicked here as there is no actual debate going on. No one has answered the question yet. So how can there be any debate when no answers have been given? I've got a pretty good idea how this thread is going to go. Since no one will answer the question and people just want to post nonsense responses, there's very little point in my continued participation in this thread. Congratulations IAR, you've stumped the people in this thread. They can't answer a simple yes/no question.

 

[Zecryphon]

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[CaDan]

The debate is on the framework for the analysis. The epistemological underpinnings and perhaps even the ontology of the question presented.

Get back to me when you have a cogent ontology or when you can tell me how long it takes a monkey with a wooden leg to kick the seeds out of a dill pickle.

BTW. I don't see triangles in Genesis 2, either. And you know what that means . . . .

 

[Zecryphon]

So you're conceding the framework debate? Nice. So we can just close this up as nonsensical, right?

How is asking you whether or not you're going to post something of value to the thread, conceding the framework debate. There can't be any debate until the question raised in the OP is answered. Got an answer for the OP yet?

 

[Floatingaxe]

God creates everyone.

Everyone includes homosexuals.

Therefore God creates homosexuals.

QED.

David.

God doesn't make bad things.

People do.

Therefore, you created your own aberration out of disobedience..

 

[Floatingaxe]

*Looks in Genesis 2 for derailments*

Nope, not mentioned. Derailments do not exist!!11!!!!

But hypocrites do.

 

[Polycarp1]

Well, let's see what we have here. We have IAR posting scripture and asking a legitimate but very loaded question. And as of yet NO ONE has addressed the question asked in the OP. Everyone has gone off topic and engaged in making personal observations about IAR, saying she's judgmental and being UNChristian. But from where I'm sitting it's her opponents who are avoiding the question she raised in the OP, and making personal, judgment-based comments about her. There's definitely unChristian and unloving behavior going on in this thread. Too bad it's not coming from the OP. You guys are reading judgment into her post. She quoted scripture and asked a question. Can anyone answer the question? Yes or no?

Okay, "God saw all that he had made, and behold, it was very good." (Gen 1:31)

Now, one of two conclusions follows: Either homosexuals are a part of creation, and therefore included in "all that he had made", or they are a creation of something or someone else. But we know that it is heresy to say that Satan or any other created thing can create ex nihilo; that is the prerogative of God.

This can be confirmed in Sirach 18:

"He who lives for ever has created the sum of things.
The Lord alone will be found just.
Nothing can be added to them, nothing subtracted;
it is impossible to fathom all the works of the Lord." (vv. 1-2, 6)

Verses 8-13 of that chapter might also be worth reviewing.

However, the key point to me is not in the Creation story at all, but in the most familiar verse in Scripture:

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, so that anyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

That's well after Sodom and Gomorrah, after Leviticus, after the incident in Judges, written down (though spoken before) well after Paul wrote to the Romans and the Corinthians and Jude wrote his letter.

God so loves [me, Ollie Franz, Mercy Burst, I Am Redeemed, Nadiine, Andrew onemessiah, Tulc, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Paul Cameron, Mohandas K. Gandhi, Ellen DeGeneres, Gene Robinson, Matthew Shepard, Mubarak Dahir, Sir Ian MacKellen, Martin Luther King Jr., Dick Cheney, Mary Cheney, Brad Pitt, Miley Cyrus, Lawrence King, Brandon McInerney, Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all] that He sent Jesus Christ to teach us, to live as one of us, to die for us, to rise again from the dead -- so that anyone -- every single person in those brackets might come to believe in him. And if they do, they will not perish but have everlasting life.

Not because they repent of the sins listed off by Benedict XVI, IAmRedeemed, me, or anybody else. Because they believe in Him.

The Holy Spirit will change their behavior as He sees fit He can do that; He's God. Not as any fallible human being sees fit.

And yes, there's some unChristian behavior going on her. It started with the implicit snark in the OP -- and was given right back to her. Hostility begets hostility.

We're told how to behave in cases like that. But few of us -- and I'm equally guilty -- follow His instructions.

 

[CaDan]

But hypocrites do.

Are they mentioned in Genesis 2?

 

[CaDan]

Reply to post # 31. Yep, just as I thought. CaDan can't or won't even answer a simple, straightforward question regarding quoted scripture. So he attempts repeatedly to derail the thread, create a new debate about the framework, and challenges me to get back to him. Tell ya what CaDan. I'll do you a huge favor, since you are unable to answer a simple yes/no question, I'll leave this thread so you don't have to keep using the big words in an attempt to show us all how smart you obviously think you are to cover up for the fact that you are unable to answer a simple question. There's nothing being presented here that's worth my time.

Ah! The "simple question" gambit! It may fool the rubes, but it doesn't fool anybody else. See, it's not a simple question at all. Look at how long the included premise is. What it is, in fact, is a complex question.

Now, I'm not going to convince you of anything here. I have no intent of doing so anyway. I post for the other folks who might be intimidated by the faux reasoning presented.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Are they mentioned in Genesis 2?

Of course not. Hypocrisy and its fellow sins, homosexuality and homosexual Christianity (oxymoron), were definitely not mentioned in Genesis 2! God's perfect Creation of one man and one woman to be united sexually IS.

It doesn't take great intelligence to form the understanding that homosexuality is an evil thwart of God's most perfect plan for man and woman.

I have to laugh at all the mental gymnastics and silliness coming from the wannabe egghead crowd.

 

[catlover]

I guess we should dehumanize people in the name of God now...

 

[Speculative]

Well, it doesn't mention the creation of Smyrna, either...but I think it would be wise to listen to any counsel coming from that direction (IOW IAWP #36)

 

[CaDan]

Of course not. Hypocrisy and its fellow sins, homosexuality and homosexual Christianity (oxymoron), were definitely not mentioned in Genesis 2! God's perfect Creation of one man and one woman to be united sexually IS.

It doesn't take great intelligence to form the understanding that homosexuality is an evil thwart of God's most perfect plan for man and woman.

I have to laugh at all the mental gymnastics and silliness coming from the wannabe egghead crowd.

How about triangles? Prime numbers? Aeroplanes?

How about anesthetics? Screwdrivers? Standing waves?

 

[CaDan]

Bad argument is bad argument. Quoting a big hunk of scripture in the middle of a bad argument does not suddenly make it a good argument.