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Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?

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IamRedeemed

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So, I will post it yet again, and perhaps this time we can move away from the childish derailments, ad hominems, non sequiturs, red herrings, strawmen ad nauseum and actually answer the question.
Remember, all of the living creations that God said was good, especially mankind, (made in His image) and instructed to be fruitful and multiply was also BEFORE the fall of mankind.


So, again, I ask you....


Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?

Genesis 1:19-31

And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moves, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creeps upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creeps upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.


Genesis 2:18-25 tells us the details of how He created every beast in the field, every fowl in the air, how He brought them to Adam to name, how Adam came to realize that each of the types of creations God made, there seemed to be a pair. One slightly different than the other, but a match just the same, but there was no such help meet for him. God saw that Adam was discouraged not having a match like the other creations, and the Word continues to tell us the details of the creation of Eve, whom God made for Adam from Adam's Rib.


And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.


In the beginning of chapter 2, the very first verse (after chapter 1 told of all the creatures God made before going into the details in chapter 2 of how God made them) it says:

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.


So, where is it recorded in the Biblical creation account, these variations (some claim are from God), of the perfect creation God made in His own image (man) and the complimentary creation God made for man (woman), whom God said was good in His sight, commanded to be fruitful and multiply and have dominion over everything in and on the earth?

God was sure to have the scribes even tell about every
creeping thing that creeps on the earth and every little bird in the sky. Why is there no mention of these variations of mankind
who seemingly have the same anatomy as the original male and female in the account of
creation?


Also, why is it that zero (<----keyword) homosexuals can follow the command to be fruitful and
multiply within their own "preferred" union? But otherwise, if following the model we find in Genesis

most certainly can?

Logically we would have to conclude that either that it a pretty cruel joke on God's part
(which knowing the character of God, I am personally sure that isn't the case)
OR......some folks are just not being honest and realistic with themselves or
anyone else they try to convince.


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Well, let's see what we have here. We have IAR posting scripture and asking a legitimate but very loaded question. And as of yet NO ONE has addressed the question asked in the OP. Everyone has gone off topic and engaged in making personal observations about IAR, saying she's judgmental and being UNChristian. But from where I'm sitting it's her opponents who are avoiding the question she raised in the OP, and making personal, judgment-based comments about her. There's definitely unChristian and unloving behavior going on in this thread. Too bad it's not coming from the OP. You guys are reading judgment into her post. She quoted scripture and asked a question. Can anyone answer the question? Yes or no?

All of us are living records that God created homosexuals and heterosexuals. The Book of Genesis makes no reference to creating either orientation - only that we are created of the earth in God's image.

So really, the question is moot.
 
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This is a nice post, (for the most part...all except the false witness at the bottom and apparent ugliness)
but it does not answer the question posed in the OP.


Okay, "God saw all that he had made, and behold, it was very good." (Gen 1:31)

Now, one of two conclusions follows: Either homosexuals are a part of creation, and therefore included in "all that he had made", or they are a creation of something or someone else. But we know that it is heresy to say that Satan or any other created thing can create ex nihilo; that is the prerogative of God.

This can be confirmed in Sirach 18:

"He who lives for ever has created the sum of things.
The Lord alone will be found just.
Nothing can be added to them, nothing subtracted;
it is impossible to fathom all the works of the Lord." (vv. 1-2, 6)

Verses 8-13 of that chapter might also be worth reviewing.

However, the key point to me is not in the Creation story at all, but in the most familiar verse in Scripture:

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, so that anyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

That's well after Sodom and Gomorrah, after Leviticus, after the incident in Judges, written down (though spoken before) well after Paul wrote to the Romans and the Corinthians and Jude wrote his letter.

God so loves [me, Ollie Franz, Mercy Burst, I Am Redeemed, Nadiine, Andrew onemessiah, Tulc, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Paul Cameron, Mohandas K. Gandhi, Ellen DeGeneres, Gene Robinson, Matthew Shepard, Mubarak Dahir, Sir Ian MacKellen, Martin Luther King Jr., Dick Cheney, Mary Cheney, Brad Pitt, Miley Cyrus, Lawrence King, Brandon McInerney, Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all] that He sent Jesus Christ to teach us, to live as one of us, to die for us, to rise again from the dead -- so that anyone -- every single person in those brackets might come to believe in him. And if they do, they will not perish but have everlasting life.

Not because they repent of the sins listed off by Benedict XVI, IAmRedeemed, me, or anybody else. Because they believe in Him.

The Holy Spirit will change their behavior as He sees fit He can do that; He's God. Not as any fallible human being sees fit.

And yes, there's some unChristian behavior going on her. It started with the implicit snark in the OP -- and was given right back to her. Hostility begets hostility.

We're told how to behave in cases like that. But few of us -- and I'm equally guilty -- follow His instructions.
 
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Anybody notice that God didn't create anything that reproduces asexually in the quoted passage? Y'know, like yeast? The stuff that makes bread so tasty and delicious?

You think maybe leavened bread is . . . I dunno . . . of the Devil!??1//!/???!
 
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IAR This is the thread to end all debate on this forum because the Gay lobby cannot answer.It says much about some of the Management when even those cannot answer the OP and have to resort to spoiling tn derail the thread.In fact it proves that the Word of God is the Truth and the Truth can set one free or condemn. The sub forum should be shut down.
 
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Whether or not God is a prankster or created toffee or anything else is outside of the question raised in the OP and are a derailment of this thread. Using the scriptures provided can you answer the question? A simple yes or no will do.


I ALREADY ANSWERED THAT.

Now, my response was that he's a prankster, BECAUSE THAT WAS AN OPTION GIVEN IN THE OP.

So, unfortunately for you, I'm not derailing the thread.

Answer the question. Is god a prankster?
 
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Why has no one answered my response quoting 2 Tim 4:4? The Creation accounts in Genesis are parables. They have important teachings imbedded in them, but they are neither scientific nor historical accounts. To treat them as actual history is to turn them into myth and fable.

Also, everyone is trying to treat this as a brilliant debate tactic. When someone on this side of the aisle uses the exact same tactic, in claiming that the Gospels do not record Jesus as ever having condemned homosexuality, they are rightfully shot down. Arguing from silence is always a weak tactic.
 
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IAR This is the thread to end all debate on this forum because the Gay lobby cannot answer.It says much about some of the Management when even those cannot answer the OP and have to resort to spoiling tn derail the thread.In fact it proves that the Word of God is the Truth and the Truth can set one free or condemn. The sub forum should be shut down.

^_^

For a second I thought you were serious!
 
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Well, let's see what we have here. We have IAR posting scripture and asking a legitimate but very loaded question. And as of yet NO ONE has addressed the question asked in the OP. Everyone has gone off topic and engaged in making personal observations about IAR, saying she's judgmental and being UNChristian.

Um, I think you'll find that I addressed the question asked in the OP, without going off topic or engaging in making personal observations about IAR.

Hope that helps.

David.
 
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God doesn't make bad things.

So homosexuals are "bad things"? Well, that's sweet of you to say so. I imagine there're more than a few people round here who might be rather offended by that.

Face it - homosexuals are people just like you. God loved them enough to go to the cross for them, just like He did for you and me. He didn't regard them as "bad things". For you to regard them as "bad things" is an insult to God.

David.
 
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One Messiah, actually, you didn't answer the question in the OP,
which is "
Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?".
You may have replied, but your reply did not answer the question,
nor could it by nature of your profession of being an atheist.
What you did do, was formulated your own question and
answered it accordingly. But surely you did not answer the
question posed in the OP.

FYI, David Brider has been on my ignore list for about 8-9 months,
so don't expect a response from me in particular, to his posts, and further I am
reasonably assured by experience, that he did not offer a Biblical response anyway.

Again as a proclaimed Atheist (does not believe in God OR Creation) it is logical
for you not to participate in this thread and it would be respectful of you as well.
All you can do is attempt to promote homosexuality, but you are unable to answer
the question by default of your position. So, I would appreciate you utilizing a little
integrity here in this regard. We have PM'd, (you and I, and had some decent conversation)
and I believe you should have at least that much respect in light of that, given the topic okay?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Where is the record of God creating plenty of things? In fact by all intents and purposes we should establish how Adam and Eve looked and shun and hate everyone who dosent look, sound and behave exactly like them, because you know, they were the original designs for how humans should be, right?

I mean some people here seem to love persecuting already so why not just widen the playing field to include most people? It'll be fun!
 
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