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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by rollinTHUNDER, Jan 29, 2002.

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  1. GW

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    You are wrong again -- SO wrong. Here's the proof that Hal was indeed saying he believed 1988 was slated to be the second coming. Here's Hal Lindsey backpedalling from his error about 1981/1988) after he was confronted on it:

    "I also said that 'if' a generation was forty years and 'if' the generation of the 'fig tree' (Matthew 24:32-34) started with the foundation of the state of Israel, then Jesus 'might come back by 1988.' But I put a lot of ifs and maybes in because I knew that no one could be absolutely certain." -- Hal Lindsey

    For more research about Hal Lindsey's errors and cover-up, read here:

    http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/jigsaw_puzzle/
    http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/jigsaw_puzzle/1.html
    http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/jigsaw_puzzle/3.html
    http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/jigsaw_puzzle/4.html
    http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/jigsaw_puzzle/7.html
     
  2. davo

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    G'day rollin' -well this is actually quite interesting in the light of what you've said previously about what Lindsey said or didn't say.

    Will you be as dispensationaly elastic with Hal's "if's" as you are with the NT's "shortly" "quickly" "at hand" "near" "at the door" "soon" statements etc -me thinks probably yes.

    Seems these articles through down a bit of a gauntlet -what if any is your response??

    davo
     
  3. rollinTHUNDER

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    To GW,
    I said I wanted real proof. I am not looking to buy a book from someone who is out to make a buck. I already own Hal's book, and have shown how his words got twisted. I don't need you or anyone else to interpret what he said. You should buy Hal's book and look for yourself, instead of reading someone elses opinion. You are capable of forming your own opinion aren't you?? Listen, we're just beating a dead horse here. This is going no-where. If you don't believe in prophecy, then leave it alone. Who's forcing you to stay here?? Or do you just love to argue?? I choose to have faith and believe. I also have his book. Don't try to tell me what I should believe, especially when you don't even have the book. You are very easily deceived if you trust in mens words. I wouldn't take that Samuel B.'s word for anything. He should have confronted Hal personally, and if not, he should have kept his darn mouth shut. I don't believe everything that Hal Lindsey does. I do know of one thing that is different, but I respect him greatly. He knows more than I do about Prophecy. I only know for sure what the Lord allows me to know. I do believe that I am in the generation that will see the end of this age, and you don't. That is your right. I don't mind if you choose to believe that way, no problem. See ya
     
  4. GW

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    Hal's statement here is Hal in action, backpedaling after his prediction failed to come to pass in 1981 (rapture) and 1988 (second coming):

    "I also said that 'if' a generation was forty years and 'if' the generation of the 'fig tree' (Matthew 24:32-34) started with the foundation of the state of Israel, then Jesus 'might come back by 1988.' But I put a lot of ifs and maybes in because I knew that no one could be absolutely certain." -- Hal Lindsey


    Next, the links I posted are free reading of four chapters that outline Lindsey's false teachings.

    Finally, I LOVE prophecy and believe Christ and the apostles got it right just as they prophesied! Why should I go somewhere else to discuss bible prophecy? Why are you so rudely asking me to leave? Is this YOUR site only?

    Brother, Hal Lindsey knows nothing about prophecy other than what he has been able to make up from reading daily headlines and FORCING them upon the bible, spinning one, big, adventurous myth and making $$$MILLIONS $$$ off of unsuspecting sheep -- I bet even you have put down a buck or two upon Hal's false teachings. Yes? That's money that could be spent wisely for the Kingdom of God, I assure you -- not on tabloid eschatology.
     
  5. rollinTHUNDER

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    To GW,
    Look here dude, this is getting old and stale. What you call backpeddling is what I call Hal trying to UN-TWIST your preterist view. This is nothing new. You are always twisting my words too, and I believe it is a comprehension thing. This thread is not about Hal Lindsey, but you are getting it way off course. Why don't you start a thread about Hal, and we'll see how much support you get on it??
     
  6. Josiah

    Josiah Super suction ears away!

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    ROFLOL!!! :D

    I don't see how he didn't see that the FIRST time...

    :D :D :D
     
  7. RKF

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    No kidding!!!
     
  8. RKF

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    Hey a question what are the blessing all about and how do you get them?
     
  9. parousia70

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    Oh I saw it! LOLOL
    Shall we examine it now or would you rather continue rolling on the floor??

    What "earth" did Peter say would be burned up?

    2 Peter 3:5-7
    For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

    Peter says that the world consisted of heaven and earth, and that they were destroyed by water and perished. We know that substance of neither heaven or earth was destroyed, but it was the evil men that were destroyed. Peter makes a distinction between the heaven and earth of Noah's day, which were destroyed and the heaven and earth that existed then which were to be destroyed by fire. The literal visible fabric of heaven and earth were the same after the flood as they were before the flood. The destruction of heaven and earth refers to the civil and religious state, and the men of them. What was it that really perished in the flood? Look at verse 6 -- by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. It was the world that perished, right? Now what does the word world mean? It is the orderly arrangement of society, it wasn't the dirt. Now how do you go from an ungodly society that was destroyed to the destruction of the entire universe??? The literal earth was not destroyed. What is to be destroyed is the ungodly nation of Israel. Nowhere do the Scriptures teach that the physical creation will be destroyed. Notice what God said after the flood of Noah's day.

    Genesis 8:21
    And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.

    Now, folks will say that the Lord destroyed the earth by water one time and He'll destroy it by fire the next time. Is God's promise here to just change his method of destroying everything. Is there comfort in being destroyed by fire instead of water? Or is he promising not to destroy the earth again?

    Psalms 148:4-6 Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens! 5 Let them praise the name of the LORD, For He commanded and they were created. 6 He also established them forever and ever; He made a decree which shall not pass away.

    What decree did God make concerning the establishment of the heaven and the earth that will never pass away.? Genesis 8:21! God said that he would never again destroy every living thing. God can be trusted, He keeps his word.

    Isaiah 1:1-2
    The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah. 2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth! For the LORD has spoken: "I have nourished and brought up children, And they have rebelled against Me;

    Who is God speaking to here the physical creation? No, he is speaking to Israel. I think we can see this idea clearly if we look at Isaiah 51

    Isaiah 51:15-16
    But I am the LORD your God, Who divided the sea whose waves roared; The LORD of hosts is His name. 16 And I have put My words in your mouth; I have covered you with the shadow of My hand, That I may plant the heavens, Lay the foundations of the earth, And say to Zion, 'You are My people.'"

    The time of planting the heavens and laying the foundation of the earth that is referred to here, was performed by God after He divided the sea (ver. 15) and gave the law (ver. 16), and said to Zion, Thou art my people; that is, when He took the children of Israel out of Egypt, and formed them in the wilderness into a covenant nation. He planted the heavens and laid the foundation of the earth: that is, brought forth order, and government.

    The "Heavens and earth God created in Isaiah 51, after He parted the sea were the "heavens and earth" Peter said would perish By fire.

    Neither of these refer to the planet and outer space, but both refer to Old Covenant Israel.


    Hope this helps!
    If you still disagree, and think "heavens and eareth" of 2 Peter 3 means "Planet and outerspace", go ahead and use the scriptures I cited to show how they do not mean what I contend they mean.
    Good Luck!!
    YBIC,
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  10. rollinTHUNDER

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  13. RKF

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    Heaven and earth means WHAT? You mean it doesn't mean heavens and earth now.
     
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