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I use bible prophecy because the evidence is before our eyes.
I would not put any stock into a source that says the universe is 13.7 billion years old. But thanks for revealing your source.
That there was darkness on the face of the deep and the world was void without form - to me indicates that there was primordial earth to the present earth, which the dinosaurs lived, some of which were the product of the first interference of the fallen angels into DNA altering, that resulted in creatures of violence, i.e. T-Rex,- which God destroyed that world leaving it void without form.
What's any of this have to do with eschatology?
This is quite wrong. The 'Church' consists of God's holy people. They are present during the Tribulation. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7All seventy weeks of Daniel are totally in reference to Israel and her relation to Gentile powers and the rejection of Israel's Messiah, (i.e., no reference to the church).
Sure you did. verse 16 and 17 explains that the DEAD IN CHRIST rise first, then those still on earth change in the Twinkling of an eye. It is importand to keep everything in context.I have left nothing ,all that is tied to the Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ mentioned in verse 15
1 Thessalonians 4:15
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
At this point Jesus have not ascended to Heaven yet...Jesus ascended to Heaven 40 Days later.
John 20 is about Jesus' resurrection after that Jesus was 3 days in the grave that is basic Bible 101...
It says the Dead in Christ arise First, it doesn't say the arise from Heaven.The bulk of the Church is already in Heaven ....these are the Souls of the dead believers in Christ [they sleep in Christ in Heaven] waiting for the resurrection of the believers....
John saw a Vision of the FUTURE. The Martyrs of Seal #5 are the ones beheaded during the Tribulation. Those John saw are the Christians in Heaven to Marry the Lamb IN THE FUTURE, after the Rapture.John saw the Souls of the early Christians Martyrs in Heaven...and it was said to them that they should REST (SLEEP)until their brethren that must be slain like them because of their testimony of Jesus will be fulfilled.
I did not say demons, but fallen angels. Do you not believe there was such a thing as T-Rex?You question the idea of 14 billion year old earth which is your right to do so but then you suggest that............Demons altered the DNA and that is how we got T-Rex.
Let then ask you a serious question.... Do you think that T-Rex could beat Godzilla?
Good grief brother!.
Yes, they were wiped out 70 Million years ago, IN THE MIDDLE of the 6th Day. Humans were also created on the 6th Day, 6000 years ago, the 6th Day last about 300-350 Million years.I did not say demons, but fallen angels. Do you not believe there was such a thing as T-Rex?
If you go at the end of my original post you will notice that i provide the full 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 Bible reference.Sure you did. verse 16 and 17 explains that the DEAD IN CHRIST rise first, then those still on earth change in the Twinkling of an eye. It is importand to keep everything in context.
Which prove my point that Jesus have not ascended to Heaven YET...I told you I can prove it via Scriptures.....So in John chapter 20 Mary goes to Jesus' grave, but he is gone, she cries what have you done with my Lord etc. etc. then she sees Jesus and he says "TOUCH ME NOT" for I have not yet ascended to my Father.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
I did not say demons, but fallen angels. Do you not believe there was such a thing as T-Rex?
This is quite wrong. The 'Church' consists of God's holy people. They are present during the Tribulation. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7
Do humans ever go to heaven?
The belief and teaching that all humans have natural immortality via an immortal soul can be traced back thousands of years. We can see from history that nations like Egypt and Babylon taught their people about an immortal soul in every human, that continued to live, to think and to experience life, after the body had died. Depending on the nation and on their spiritual theology they had, would come various teachings about where and under what conditions this immortal soul would experience after the death of the physical body. Some nations would bury the dead body in graves with all kinds of things for the departed to take with them and to use to enjoy in the afterlife.
Different nations may have had different places where the departed soul would live when it left the dead body, but to put it in simple language, the immortal soul was in a "heaven" of some sort. They even had gloomy underworlds for those not thought to have done enough good in their physical lives to warrant the prize of "heaven."
All this should start to sound somewhat familiar with certain teaching and beliefs of many "Christian" churches and organizations. Many have heard the "hell-fire and brimstone" sermons preached loud and vigorously by a Christian minister or Camp-meeting tent revivalist. Such preaching of course includes telling you that if you "give your heart to the Lord" and turn from sin, you can "go to heaven" and live in bliss, doing...well they are not sure, maybe singing and strumming on a harp?
Just about all Christians today believe they shall "get to heaven" one day. They firmly believe that going to heaven is one of the basic rewards of being Christian. To think, and to teach otherwise, to them, is pretty close to being a nutty and strange heretic. They are convinced the Bible shows and tells us that going to heaven is the automatic reward of the children of God. And most believe that going to heaven takes place when the physical body stops breathing and dies. Yet this common and prevailing theological view was not the common view or teaching of the early New Testament Church of God.
The early NT church did not teach or believe in going to heaven at death, for those faithful Christians. Church history shows that it was only through the teachings of people like Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and others that most professing Christians gradually came to adopt the belief of the immortal soul, and going immediately "somewhere" after the death of the body. Many were coming into the popular church of the Roman Empire, founded in Rome, who already held to Hellenistic philosophy, Egyptian mythology, and Babylonian Mystery religions, with an after death life of some sort as the foundation of it all. They did not want to give up this teaching and belief, just as they did not want to abandon many other false teachings and practices. So, to accommodate them the large popular church took many of these old pagan beliefs and re-clothed them with Christian garments. Hence, as the millenniums came and went today's doctrines of the immortal soul as taught together with an ever burning hell fire for the wicked, a purgatory for those who may not have sinned unto eternal torment, and can possibly yet be granted heaven and a heaven where God is, for the righteous. All this came to be church doctrines.
Most Christians believe they will at some point "get to heaven" where God is dwelling. Some do not believe you go to heaven at death, but that death is a sleep until the resurrection, then when Jesus returns to raise the righteous dead, all go back with Him to heaven for a thousand years, until the new earth comes into being. Others believe that Christ returns to "rapture" His Church away from the terrible tribulation then taking place on the earth, and that they spent either 7 years or 3 1/2 years in heaven, before returning again with Christ to set up the Kingdom of God on earth for a thousand years.
Whatever the various beliefs of certain religious sects and denominations is on this matter, just about all of them teach and believe that the good Christian will someday, for some period of time "go to heaven" where the Father lives and dwells in the heavenly Jerusalem.
IF WE SHALL GO TO HEAVEN ONE DAY....
And if this is a fundamental plain teaching of the Bible, then surely we should be able to find many verses all over the Bible saying things such as: "When we get to heaven," "When we see each other in heaven," "They are up there in heaven with God," "We shall go to heaven at Christ's return," "We shall be in heaven where God is one day." BUT VERSES LIKE THIS CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE!
Christians use such terminology all the time. Preachers use it from the pulpit. Why then didn't the people of the Bible use such language? Could it be that they knew that going off to heaven where God the Father now dwells was NEVER promised to any earthy mortal person?
The word "heaven" is used 570 times in the Bible. "Heavenly" appears 23 times and "heavens" is used 121 times. Surely, somewhere, in all those uses we can find a statement: "When we are in heaven" or "We are going to go to heaven" or maybe "He has gone to God in heaven." If you take a Bible concordance you can find all the verses where "heaven," "heavenly," and heavens" are used throughout the Bible. Look them up! See if you can find a verse that says, "We shall go to heaven," "Heaven is our eternal abode," "They are up in heaven" or any plain statement about Christians or children of God going to be with God in heaven for ANY length of time. You have over 500 places where "heaven" is used. Try to find any verse that tells us clearly we shall someday, sometime, go to live where God the Father dwells.
There are THREE heavens mentioned in the Bible. 1) The heaven [atmosphere] where the birds fly. 2) the heaven [space] where the planets and stars are. 3) The heaven [spiritual] where God's throne is, where God is now.
I knew a man in Christ.... caught up to the THIRD heaven....He was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words....2 Cor. 12:2-4 The third heaven is where God dwells!
KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ?
Some will say, "Well Christ talked about our being in the Kingdom of heaven. Surely that proves we shall 'go to heaven'. If it does, then some shall be in heaven while others are not. Matthew 5:3-5. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven....blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. The Kingdom OF heaven is the Kingdom that BELONGS to heaven. It is owned and operated by heaven. the Kingdom that BELONGS to God, not the Kingdom inside God. The Gospels according to Mark and Luke use "Kingdom OF God"
OUR REWARD IS IN HEAVEN
Is not our reward to go to heaven? Are there not some verses that say something to that effect? Here they are: Rejoice, and be exceeding glad; for great is your reward in heaven.... Matthew 5:12 Do not display your religion before others, if you do you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. Matthew 6:1 But lay up for yourselves treasure in heaven.....Luke 6:23 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled…reserved in heaven for you.
1 Peter 1:4
Now, let's be honest. Do the above verses say: "Our reward is to get to heaven" or "When we get to heaven we shall be given our reward." Do these verses say: "Our reserved inheritance is to get to heaven to be with God" ? No, they do not! Truly, Christians will receive rewards and we are to inherit eternal life, but when? Eternal life comes at the resurrection. Read 1 Cor.15; Rev.2:10; 2 Tim.4:8 Our rewards are to be given to us by Christ at His return. And, behold, I come quickly, and MY REWARD IS WITH ME, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Our rewards and inheritance are reserved in heaven. They come down out of heaven with Christ at his Return.
NAMED TO GO TO HEAVEN?
Are not Christians named and written down in a book to go to heaven? ….but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven Luke 10:20 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven....Heb. 12:23
Do these verses say, "Because you will go to heaven" or "The church of the firstborn will one day get to heaven" ? No! Our names (God knows who are His) are written down in the book of life, the book of life being in heaven. But we receive life eternal at Christ's return in glory, when the resurrection of the righteous saints takes place. John 5: 25-29; 1 Cor. 15; 1 Thess. 4: 16, John 6: 37-39.
OUR HOPE....TO GO TO HEAVEN?
For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel. Col.1:5 What is the hope for Christians? Paul answers in another letter he wrote: But if there be NO RESURRECTION of the dead, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.....then they which are also fallen asleep in Christ are PERISHED....For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man on his own order: Christ the firstfruits: AFTERWARDS they that are Christ's AT HIS COMING. 1 Cor. 15: 13-23
Our HOPE is Christ, who has been raised from the dead and is now in heaven, waiting to be sent back to this earth when He shall RESURRECT the DEAD. 1 Thes.4: 16
Colossians 1:5 does NOT say, "Our hope is to get to heaven." Or "The church's hope is to be with Christ in heaven." It says: our HOPE is kept in heaven. That hope is Christ and His Return when the saints are resurrected. Philippians 3:20 Christian believers are citizens of heaven and from heaven we can expect our Deliverer to come: The Lord Jesus Christ.
Notice! This Kingdom is in heaven that we are citizens of. If we be Christ's, we belong to His family. We are brothers of His, we are part of God's family, His children, and so of His government, kingdom, which is at present in heaven. Not that we are in heaven, for we live on earth, but the Kingdom, where our citizenship is; that we now belong to, is in heaven.
Yes, again Paul says we look to, wait, hope for Christ's Return and the resurrection.
NO MAN HAS EVER GONE TO HEAVEN
Here is a plain and easy to understand verse: And NO MAN has ASCENDED up to heaven, except for He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:13 BELIEVE what Christ said, He should know. He was in heaven with the Father from the beginning, and He did not see any human ever come from earth up to heaven. It’s indisputable, Enoch could not have gone to the third heaven, neither did Moses, nor did Elijah. All humans who have ever lived, or will live, up to the Return of Jesus and are not still alive when Jesus comes, will sleep in death. They will be in the grave, and the righteous, those accounted worthy, wait to hear the voice of the Son of man, to rise from the dead in a resurrection. Then, for a thousand years they shall reign with Christ on His throne over this earth, as they establish the Kingdom of God on earth.
At the end of the thousand years comes the new heavens and the new earth. Then the heavenly Jerusalem together with God the Father will come from heaven to this new earth, which will then become the dwelling place of the throne of the universe for all Eternity.
What we can say is that we, the children of God, will one day be in heaven.....yes.....when heaven comes to earth. Revelation 21:1-4
But what we cannot say is that any human will be taken up to heaven to avoid the wrath to come. The Lord promises protection to all these who place their trust in Him and this may be a profound spiritual experience. Nahum 1:1-8, Isaiah 43:2, Luke 21:34-36 Ref: Keith Hunt
See, instead of just plainly answering my question, yes or no, you give me another question. You had given the impression that you do not believe that there was any such creature as T-Rex by your comment on T-Rex versus Godzilla. And then saying.....Good grief brother!.What is the difference between a fallen angel and a demon?
Where did I say I did not accept the reality of a T-Rex???
So in your view, it took 13:5 billion years for God to create man - and in a twinkling of an eye, He is going to changeYes, they were wiped out 70 Million years ago, IN THE MIDDLE of the 6th Day. Humans were also created on the 6th Day, 6000 years ago, the 6th Day last about 300-350 Million years.
Any "Human like" creature older than 6000 years old, was just an ANIMAL, without a soul, thus they were not created in GODS IMAGE.... This is why Scientists tout man as being 100 k years old, even though we understand there is only 6000 years of recorded history. Man/Animal without a Soul imparted by God, is not a HUMAN BEING, IT WAS JUST AN ANIMAL.
Fallen Angels are Demons.
You are looking at it all wrong. God lives in the Past, Future and Present all at the Same time, when God commanded the Creation of the Universe, He was already living in the Present (Now/All Nows, LOL) and in the Future where the Creation is at as we speak and will be tomorrow. In other words, He commands it, and it is finished. God doesn't have to "WAIT", you are looking at it from a humans perspective.So in your view, it took 13:5 billion years for God to create man - and in a twinkling of an eye, He is going to change
man (them in Christ) to eternal life beings?I am thinking 6000 years, with there being a primordial earth to this one, which got perverted by Satan and the fallen angels.
I hope you read it carefully. I do yours.That is a really long post. However the Bible fact is that the believers will not go through the Tribulation.
You said.......I hope you read it carefully. I do yours.
The Bible refutes you. 'We are not appointed to wrath'.....simply states we Christians are not the ones to whom God's wrath IS appointed to.
What we are told to do is to stand firm in our faith and endure until the end Having the belief of a rapture removal, leaves you unaware and unprepared for what everyone must face in the near future.
Re the Creation: Genesis is clear, the earth was 'tohu and bohu'- empty and void, before God created the plants and animals, then Adam and Eve were given their souls, thereby commencing God's 7000 year Plan of mankind.
See, instead of just plainly answering my question, yes or no, you give me another question. You had given the impression that you do not believe that there was any such creature as T-Rex by your comment on T-Rex versus Godzilla. And then saying.....Good grief brother!.
So please provide a simple yes or no to - do you believe that there were such creatures as T-Rex? I don't understand the lack of straight communications and the need to be elusive. There's a word for it, but it escapes me right now.
On the issue of a fallen angel and a demon - the difference. The fallen angels, those angels who rebelled with Satan, are beings directly created by God. The demons, on the other hand, are disembodied spirits of Nephilim who had died.
The Nephilim, it is commonly believed have their origin in the Genesis account of the sons of God - angels, having sex with earth women, the offspring being the Nephilim race of beings, which were extensions of the fallen angels - their kind - which altered the DNA of the human being race to create a separate race of earth bound descendants of the fallen angels. When those beings died, their disembodied spirits become the demons which exhibit the characteristic of evil, and violence of Satan's fallen angels. Which is my basis for how T-Rex, an extremely violent creature, existed in a primordial earth to this one - which to me doesn't fit God's creation of this current world when it says in genesis of God's creation in verse 31.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Then to bring in the theory of Nepjillian, fallen angels/demons that had sex with humans is totally against the teaching of THE Bible expert the Lord Jesus Christ.
According to the Lord Jesus, angels of any kind can not have relations with anyone.
Now I already know what you are going to say on this and really, you can keep the thought to yourself as I have had the conversation many times with other Bible Experts and it will not be productive.
Matt, 22:29-30......
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
Wrong----I think that we have been over this now about 6 or 7 times.
That door in 4:1 opened in heaven is the door of the ascension of the saints both the live and dead in Christ. That trumpet voice is the same which Paul describes as recalling the dead in Jesus, and to which the Lord Jesus refers as the signal by which His elect are gathered from the four winds, but which we have no reason to suppose shall be heard or understood except by those whom it is meant to summon to the skies.
And that “COME UP HITHER” is for every one in John’s estate, even the gracious and mighty word of the returning Lord himself, by virtue of which they that wait for Him shall renew their strength, and mount up with wings as eagles.
The mention of the trumpet, the voice, heaven, and the Spirit, as well as the implied action of John's “rapture” into heaven thus lend themselves to this symbolic interpretation.
A further argument in support of the assertion that the rapture occurs at 4:1-2 (or at least is implied, is the interpretation that the Greek phrase..... μετὰ ταῦτα = “after these things” of verse one marks a major section break in the Apocalypse.
In chapters 1 through 3 they are called in the Greek ταῦτα = “these things” (verse. 1:19), that is, the present Church age,
While everything from Chapter 4 onward represents events that will take place during the whole period of time who covers the moment that the Book of Revelation was written by John UNTIL The Coming of Jesus in Glory.while everything from chapter 4 onward represents events that take place after the present Church age.
I did not say I was a Bible Expert. I said God has made me an expert on end times bible prophecy over the course of 45 years.Just the idea that you believe that there is a difference between fallen angels and demons causes me to question your self appointed position of a Bible Expert
There are plenty of instances in the new testament of Jesus casting out unclean spirits. Demon is just a generic name. The unclean spirits are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim.Or as Angels are supposed to be !! I do not spend my time worrying about those things, but there are a few scriptures to support this theory, so its not totally cra cra. I don't place much stock in this, but it is "POSSIBLE" that this is true. Something I read a while back about this...
2. (Jde 1:6) The example of the angels who sinned.
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
a. The angels who did not keep their proper domain: Jude's letter is famous for bringing up obscure or controversial points, and this is one of them. Jude speaks of the angels who sinned, who are now imprisoned and awaiting a future day of judgment.
i. "It is not too much to say that the New Testament no where else presents so many strange phenomenon, or raises so many curious questions within so narrow a space." (Salmond, Pulpit Commentary)
b. Angels who did not keep their proper domain: There is some measure of controversy about the identity of these particular angels. We only have two places in the Bible where it speaks of angels sinning. First, there was the original rebellion of some angels against God (Isaiah 14:12-14, Revelation 12:4). Second, there was the sin of the sons of God described in Genesis 6:1-2.
i. Genesis 6:1-2 is a controversial passage all on its own. It says,"Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose." There is a significant debate as to if the sons of God are angelic beings, or just another way of saying "followers of God" among humans. Jude helps us answer this question.
c. Did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode: This offence was connected with some kind of sexual sin, such as the sexual union between rebellious angelic beings (the sons of God inGenesis 6:2) and the human beings (the daughters of men inGenesis 6:2). We know that there was some sexual aspect to this sin because Jude tells us in the following verse, Jude 7: as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh. The words in a similar manner to these refers back to the angels of Jude 6, and the words gone after strange flesh refers to their unnatural sexual union.
i. We know some things about this unnatural sexual union from Genesis 6. We know that this unnatural union produced unnatural offspring. The unnatural union corrupted the genetic pool of mankind, so God had to find Noah, a man perfect in his generations(Genesis 6:9) - that is, "pure in his genetics." This unnatural union prompted an incredibly drastic judgment of God - a global flood, wiping out all of mankind except for eight people.
ii. We can add another piece of knowledge from Jude 6. This unnatural union prompted God to uniquely imprison the angels who sinned in this way. They are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day.
iii. As for the specific details of this unnatural union, it is useless to speculate. We don't know how "fallen angel" genetic material could mix with human genetic material. Perhaps it happened through a unique form of demon possession and the fallen angel worked through a human host. We know that angels have the ability to assume human appearance at least temporarily, but we don't know more than that.
d. He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day: God judged these wicked angels, setting them in everlasting chains. Apparently some fallen angels are in bondage while others are unbound and active among mankind as demons.
i. By not keeping their proper place, they are now kept in chains. Their sinful pursuit of freedom put them in bondage. In the same way, those who insist on the freedom to do whatever they want are like these angels - bound with everlasting chains. True freedom comes from obedience.
ii. If angels cannot break the chains sin brought upon them, we are foolish to think that humans can break them. We can't set ourselves free from these chains, but we can only be set free by Jesus.
iii. This reminds us that these angels who sinned with an unnatural sexual union are no longer active. With His radical judgment back in the days of Noah, God put and end to this kind of unnatural sexual union.
iv. This example gives two lessons. First, it assures us that thecertain men causing trouble will be judged, no matter what their spiritual status had been. These angels at one time stood in the immediate, glorious presence of God - and now they are ineverlasting chains. If God judged the angels who sinned, He will judge these certain men. Second, it warns us that we also must continue walking with Jesus. If the past spiritual experience of these angels didn't guarantee their future spiritual state, then neither does ours. We must keep walking and be on guard.
3. (Jde 1:7) The example of Sodom and Gomorrah.
As Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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Things like this, I do not spend much time worrying about, but I wouldn't discount someone all together who thinks this way. If it did happen, maybe, just maybe that is why God decided to destroy all man-kind with a flood, and save one family. Maybe Satan was trying to genetically taint the human DNA with that of Fallen Angels, and thus there could be no Christ, so God saved one family, and imprisioned the Angels that LEFT THEIR ABODE !!!
You will never hear me harping on this kind of stuff, because it is just not very important to me, God has everything under control. But, it is "POSSIBLE". LOL
I did not say I was a Bible Expert. I said God has made me an expert on end times bible prophecy over the course of 45 years.
Or as Angels are supposed to be !! I do not spend my time worrying about those things, but there are a few scriptures to support this theory, so its not totally cra cra. I don't place much stock in this, but it is "POSSIBLE" that this is true. Something I read a while back about this...
2. (Jde 1:6) The example of the angels who sinned.
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
a. The angels who did not keep their proper domain: Jude's letter is famous for bringing up obscure or controversial points, and this is one of them. Jude speaks of the angels who sinned, who are now imprisoned and awaiting a future day of judgment.
i. "It is not too much to say that the New Testament no where else presents so many strange phenomenon, or raises so many curious questions within so narrow a space." (Salmond, Pulpit Commentary)
b. Angels who did not keep their proper domain: There is some measure of controversy about the identity of these particular angels. We only have two places in the Bible where it speaks of angels sinning. First, there was the original rebellion of some angels against God (Isaiah 14:12-14, Revelation 12:4). Second, there was the sin of the sons of God described in Genesis 6:1-2.
i. Genesis 6:1-2 is a controversial passage all on its own. It says,"Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose." There is a significant debate as to if the sons of God are angelic beings, or just another way of saying "followers of God" among humans. Jude helps us answer this question.
c. Did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode: This offence was connected with some kind of sexual sin, such as the sexual union between rebellious angelic beings (the sons of God inGenesis 6:2) and the human beings (the daughters of men inGenesis 6:2). We know that there was some sexual aspect to this sin because Jude tells us in the following verse, Jude 7: as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh. The words in a similar manner to these refers back to the angels of Jude 6, and the words gone after strange flesh refers to their unnatural sexual union.
i. We know some things about this unnatural sexual union from Genesis 6. We know that this unnatural union produced unnatural offspring. The unnatural union corrupted the genetic pool of mankind, so God had to find Noah, a man perfect in his generations(Genesis 6:9) - that is, "pure in his genetics." This unnatural union prompted an incredibly drastic judgment of God - a global flood, wiping out all of mankind except for eight people.
ii. We can add another piece of knowledge from Jude 6. This unnatural union prompted God to uniquely imprison the angels who sinned in this way. They are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day.
iii. As for the specific details of this unnatural union, it is useless to speculate. We don't know how "fallen angel" genetic material could mix with human genetic material. Perhaps it happened through a unique form of demon possession and the fallen angel worked through a human host. We know that angels have the ability to assume human appearance at least temporarily, but we don't know more than that.
d. He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day: God judged these wicked angels, setting them in everlasting chains. Apparently some fallen angels are in bondage while others are unbound and active among mankind as demons.
i. By not keeping their proper place, they are now kept in chains. Their sinful pursuit of freedom put them in bondage. In the same way, those who insist on the freedom to do whatever they want are like these angels - bound with everlasting chains. True freedom comes from obedience.
ii. If angels cannot break the chains sin brought upon them, we are foolish to think that humans can break them. We can't set ourselves free from these chains, but we can only be set free by Jesus.
iii. This reminds us that these angels who sinned with an unnatural sexual union are no longer active. With His radical judgment back in the days of Noah, God put and end to this kind of unnatural sexual union.
iv. This example gives two lessons. First, it assures us that thecertain men causing trouble will be judged, no matter what their spiritual status had been. These angels at one time stood in the immediate, glorious presence of God - and now they are ineverlasting chains. If God judged the angels who sinned, He will judge these certain men. Second, it warns us that we also must continue walking with Jesus. If the past spiritual experience of these angels didn't guarantee their future spiritual state, then neither does ours. We must keep walking and be on guard.
3. (Jde 1:7) The example of Sodom and Gomorrah.
As Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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Things like this, I do not spend much time worrying about, but I wouldn't discount someone all together who thinks this way. If it did happen, maybe, just maybe that is why God decided to destroy all man-kind with a flood, and save one family. Maybe Satan was trying to genetically taint the human DNA with that of Fallen Angels, and thus there could be no Christ, so God saved one family, and imprisioned the Angels that LEFT THEIR ABODE !!!
You will never hear me harping on this kind of stuff, because it is just not very important to me, God has everything under control. But, it is "POSSIBLE". LOL
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