Where gravity and forces come from..!

[AV1611VET]

Except that it is evolution that has tweaked us to just the right specs.

Um ... no.

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

Um ... no.

Um ... yes.

 

[Delphiki]

Alright "dad".

If it wasn't for science you wouldn't actually know there was a gravity, weak force, strong force, atoms, energy, etc. In fact, just about everything you do know (that's actually real), you can thank science for because it surely didn't come from the bible.

I'm sure, though, that when science has a better explanation for these forces, that you're comfortable with, you tell us that it was already in the bible. Like how a flat earth in the bible was later interpreted to be a round earth and how "it always said it was round". Well, here's my suggestion. If the bible is all knowing with regards to nature, then tell us what it says about gravity to save mankind the trouble.

What's that? The bible doesn't even mention gravity at all? Go figure.

 

[Delphiki]

Um ... no.

Um, yes.

I assume you're talking about the difference in air pressure due to the difference in gravity.

See, the only way we can survive properly is in the environment that we live in. If there were less air pressure, then we'd have evolved to breath in the lesser air pressure.

Anyway, we could actually handle a difference in gravity, more so than you think. Remember that the surface of the earth isn't flat. We have humans living both at sea level and at high altitudes.

(The above picture did not come from the bible)

 

[Delphiki]

As far as I know, gravitational force is a result of the earth's molten outer core revolving around the solid magnetic inner core. Interestingly, scientists found that the rate of revolution of the molten outer core has been slowing down for the last 160 years. Without divine intervention, the earth will die and cease to support any form of life at some point.

Incorrect.

The rotation of the earth's core is where we get our magnetic field, not gravity.

If the earth was solid all the way through, it's still have the same about of gravity, just no magnetic field. The magnetic field is what protects us from solar wind.

This magnetic field also fluctuates constantly, and has never disappeared. I don't think we're in any danger of it happening any time soon.



*The earths rotation, molten core, magnetic field, solar wind, and gravity, are all not mentioned in the bible. Additionally, the ability to measure the rotation and activity of the earth's core did not come from the bible.

 

[Steve Petersen]

The anthropic principle puts the cart before the horse, IMO.

Believers in God say that life on our planet could not exist if even the slightest variation our situation was changed.

The person wielding Occam's Razor would say that BECAUSE of the situation, these kinds of life could be expected to flourish.

 

[Delphiki]

Right.

Simply put, if there was anything different about our earth, then we'd be a different people, better suited to those differences.

 

[AV1611VET]

What's that? The bible doesn't even mention gravity at all? Go figure.

Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

The Bible does not mention the word 'gravity', per se; but It mentions gravity's effect; the same effect Newton observed when he discovered this gravity.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

The Bible does not mention the word 'gravity', per se; but It mentions gravity's effect; the same effect Newton observed when he discovered this gravity.

Now there's proof for ya!

 

[AV1611VET]

The anthropic principle puts the cart before the horse, IMO.

Believers in God say that life on our planet could not exist if even the slightest variation our situation was changed.

The person wielding Occam's Razor would say that BECAUSE of the situation, these kinds of life could be expected to flourish.

Except for one thing: we are made in the likeness and image of God.

Thus the universe would have to be tweaked for us to be able to live in this environment.

Should the variables change one iota, we would have to completely change in order to adapt -- so much so, that we would no longer have the 'image and likeness' of God.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Except for one thing: we are made in the likeness and image of God.

That is an article of faith and not subject to scientific scrutiny.

Convenient, huh?

 

[AV1611VET]

Now there's proof for ya!

What he is doing is making the same mistake I see so many people make.

In demanding that the word 'gravity' be found in the corpus of the text, he is setting up a mental block that will not allow him to proceed any further in understanding.

I get this with the word 'rapture' as well.

In demanding to see the word 'rapture' in the Bible, many people will deny that it is an event on God's timetable.

The most popular of these demand-and-misunderstand terms is 'trinity'.

 

[AV1611VET]

That is an article of faith and not subject to scientific scrutiny.

Well now ain't that a crying shame?

It doesn't fit on a clipboard, can't be shaken or stirred in a beaker, can't be placed in a Petri dish, doesn't turn red Litmus paper green, and won't tap dance in front of a micro- or telescope -- so it doesn't exist.

Is that what you're saying?

 

[Delphiki]

It says "stuff falls". Awesome.

 

[AV1611VET]

It says "stuff falls". Awesome.

Ya -- or to quote Mr Newton: "Eureka!"

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Except for one thing: we are made in the likeness and image of God.

Are you saying god looks like a chimpanzee too?

 

[sandwiches]

Are you saying god looks like a chimpanzee too?

At least like a primate. It's always a fun little detour getting into the whole issue of why God needs genitals.

 

[dad]

No, I haven't. But please, continue to tell me what I think. Its almost as entertaining as the silly threads in General Theology in which people tell Roman Catholics that they worship Mary.

People in glass houses....

Anyhow, yes, you have admitted science is a total failure, and utterly incompetent and unable to tell us where the basic forces we know in man's world come from, or why they have to be this way, etc. All you do is add 'they haven't managed it yet'!!!!! Hilarious.

Have you been living under a rock? Besides giving you a computer with which you can complain about how worthless science is, its given you all of this:

immunizations - Google Scholar

Stop trying to garner worship for man's knowledge in general. Yes, we know some things, and have some good and bad advances. Off topic.

Your irrational hatred for knowledge would appear to be part of the topic, so long as you continue to exhibit it. If it upsets you, try being more neutral.

Excuse me?? Pointing out that science doesn't seem to know even the basics does not mean I hate gravity! Bizarre.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

At least like a primate. It's always a fun little detour getting into the whole issue of why God needs genitals.[/quote]
Hmmmm.....



(I wonder where all those angels came from? ... just sayin')

 

[dad]

Well first of all space has some mass to it, the way I've looked at it, and mind you I'm no scientist, this is just giving a way that gravity could be part of matter and not seperate.

Ok, so the little bit of mass in space we know about means .....what?? Seems to me all it means is that there is more physical stuff for gravity to do a number on. In what way does that explain what either space or gravity or any fundamental force??

I see it as sort of like the universe is a liquid that can condense into a harder material, unless the ammount is big enough to warp the entire shape of the liquid's outershell, only a small local area is effected by the condensing.

Wow. Universe a liquid?