Where gravity and forces come from..!

[dad]

go walk through a wall then

Jesus been there done that.

 

[snackster29]

Jesus been there done that.

ok................ until jesus comes back again im sticking to what works and wont be jumping off sky scrapers any time soon

 

[AV1611VET]

ok................ until jesus comes back again im sticking to what works and wont be jumping off sky scrapers any time soon

Are you planning on jumping off skyscrapers when He does come back?

 

[snackster29]

Are you planning on jumping off skyscrapers when He does come back?

ummmm yeah?

 

[dad]

ok................ until jesus comes back again im sticking to what works and wont be jumping off sky scrapers any time soon

Me too. So? That does not mean that this temporal state is the be all end all.

 

[snackster29]

i assume it is. can you show otherwise?

 

[dad]

i assume it is. can you show otherwise?

The world does not need to react to what you 'assume'. You need more. That's what its all about.

 

[Nostromo]

The spiritual is separate from the daily physical world of man. To claim it is visible normally here, would be childish.

The belief in your universal father figure who will reward the "good" and punish the wicked, simply because somebody told you it is true, is childish.

 

[dad]

The belief in your universal father figure who will reward the "good" and punish the wicked, simply because somebody told you it is true, is childish.

Again, the issue is not what seems correct in the hunch factory recesses of your mind. What matters is that the basic power in the universe is real, and unknown totally to science. As we have explored here, they do not even know such basics as what gravity or time are. The fundamental forces remain out of their reach of understanding. All that they can do is use present laws to guess at causes. Gravitons must be invented, and dark matter and energy and etc. If we discovered there were gravitons, then they would still be at the dead end of knowing the how and whys. In the end, it amounts to physical explanations for all things, which can never never ever be complete, because as mankind has always known, there is also a spiritual element.

Science has been merely the modern cult and belief system that embraces anything but God. Nothing new there.

 

[ug333]

Again, the issue is not what seems correct in the hunch factory recesses of your mind. What matters is that the basic power in the universe is real, and unknown totally to science. As we have explored here, they do not even know such basics as what gravity or time are. The fundamental forces remain out of their reach of understanding. All that they can do is use present laws to guess at causes. Gravitons must be invented, and dark matter and energy and etc. If we discovered there were gravitons, then they would still be at the dead end of knowing the how and whys. In the end, it amounts to physical explanations for all things, which can never never ever be complete

fine, we agree, there will always be questions about the nature of the most fundamental things we know of.

, because as mankind has always known, there is also a spiritual element.

Science has been merely the modern cult and belief system that embraces anything but God. Nothing new there.

What!?! How does that equate in the slightest to spirituality. It is relatively obvious that every answer begs the question why. why does that require a god? Do you believe some entity has to know everything? If so, why on earth do you believe that?

 

[dad]

fine, we agree, there will always be questions about the nature of the most fundamental things we know of.

However, the questions are moot and irrelevant if nature that we know is temporal, and will exist no more soon. All you are saying is that physical only present state science is hooped, with a built in fail mechanism.

What!?! How does that equate in the slightest to spirituality. It is relatively obvious that every answer begs the question why. why does that require a god? Do you believe some entity has to know everything? If so, why on earth do you believe that?

What it requires is out of the reach of physical only science. They can guess all day. Look at it this way, there is a giant standing in the way of true knowledge and actual progress. That giant here, is modern godless physical only science. That giant is dead ..as far as being able to stop us from walking ahead to brave new worlds and unimaginable truths. The question is not, how would the fallen giant know what it was missing, or what powers made stuff work, that it failed to be able to know. The issue is not proving God to the fallen beast. All that is required is to step over it's carcass, and go where it refused to allow man to go. Ding dong, the wicked....

 

[Nostromo]

Again, the issue is not what seems correct in the hunch factory recesses of your mind.

That's pretty much the point I'm making.

I know that I do not know (Confucius style ) many things about how our universe works. You do. Apparently you know that God is behind it all, but as you say, the issue is not what seems correct in the hunch factory recesses of your mind. That which applies to me, applies to you.

Even if you think you know that God did X, Y and Z, that doesn't actually bring you any closer to knowing the how and why of what happened, you've just taken an unknown and given it a name.

 

[jcslao]

OK. Being a believer does not take a lot of research. The disciples of Jesus were not scholars.

i just want to make it clear and maybe i stated it unclear. i did not mean to say im a believer in Jesus or trust him but im studying Christianity and respect Jesus Christ teachings, if he existed. i had one of my siblings make this account and post. im agnostic in a sense but really am trying to understand christianity.

regarding gravity and matter i agree with the above. "even if you think you know that God did X, Y and Z, that doesn't actually bring you any closer to knowing the how and why of what happened, you've just taken an unknown and given it a name."

 

[dad]

i just want to make it clear and maybe i stated it unclear. i did not mean to say im a believer in Jesus or trust him but im studying Christianity and respect Jesus Christ teachings, if he existed. i had one of my siblings make this account and post. im agnostic in a sense but really am trying to understand christianity.

OK. That is good. Seek, and you shall find. Knock, and it will be opened.

regarding gravity and matter i agree with the above. "even if you think you know that God did X, Y and Z, that doesn't actually bring you any closer to knowing the how and why of what happened, you've just taken an unknown and given it a name."

If you know gravity and forces are X, X and Z, that doesn't actually bring you any closer to knowing the how and why of what happened, you've just taken an unknown and given it a name.. science.

 

[dad]

That's pretty much the point I'm making.

I know that I do not know (Confucius style ) many things about how our universe works. You do. Apparently you know that God is behind it all, but as you say, the issue is not what seems correct in the hunch factory recesses of your mind. That which applies to me, applies to you.

False. Jesus said that heaven and earth will pass away (at least the ones you know) but His words will never pass away. They are anything but hunches. Learn the difference.

Even if you think you know that God did X, Y and Z, that doesn't actually bring you any closer to knowing the how and why of what happened, you've just taken an unknown and given it a name.

Since science doesn't know how or why, where does that leave you? I don't really care why, or how God created. I suppose I am mildly curious, but believers have eternity to find stuff out. Science doesn't know the 'how' gravity and forces work. Nor the 'Y' we are here. Shouldn't you be embarrassed?

 

[matthewgar]

That is ridiculous to the thinking man.

Of all the creatures on the planet, how many are now asexual? For the sake of argument, what, 0.666%? That means 99.444% are sexual. So, why would anyone assume that an infinitesimal asexual minority of what exists in effect created all things?? Now, if you have a magical lifeform and you claim all things came from this imaginary godless wonder, and you claim present slow evolution was in place, would we not see a lot of sexless creatures for millions and millions and imaginary millions of years in the record? I mean have you a fossil of one of these things having a baby by osmosis or something? What evidence do you have?? Surely you don't expect us to look at some asexual action in present creatures, and think that is the evidence all things were that way!?

Not my idea. God is the one that said we needed to be born again of the spirit.

If you think a Christian is supposed to explain the Father, and in what way He is what He is to anyone, you are not being reasonable.

Considering that the vast majority of species on the planet *if such a term fits bacteria* and far out number the species of every other living thing, I think you have the numbers reversed.

 

[dad]

Considering that the vast majority of species on the planet *if such a term fits bacteria* and far out number the species of every other living thing, I think you have the numbers reversed.

Doesn't fit. I wasn't talking about stuff that grow on dung, or food, or other things that are far from being man or beast or things mentioned in creation week. ...as much as some people might think they are equal.

 

[Nostromo]

False. Jesus said that heaven and earth will pass away (at least the ones you know) but His words will never pass away. They are anything but hunches. Learn the difference.

You just don't get it, even though you're quite willing to throw the criticisms out at me. That the sayings attributed to Jesus are true is a hunch you have.

Since science doesn't know how or why, where does that leave you?

It doesn't "leave me" anywhere, as I don't have a pathological need to claim I know everything.

I don't really care why, or how God created. I suppose I am mildly curious, but believers have eternity to find stuff out.

Only if their hunch is correct. That you don't care isn't the issue because the criticism you level at science is that it doesn't know these things. Christianity also doesn't know these things, and gives us no possible mechanism of finding out, short of dying and keeping your fingers crossed.

Science doesn't know the 'how' gravity and forces work. Nor the 'Y' we are here. Shouldn't you be embarrassed?

Why on earth would I be embarassed? Scientific enquiry tells us more about the world each week than any religion has done in thousands of years.

Doesn't fit. I wasn't talking about stuff that grow on dung, or food, or other things that are far from being man or beast or things mentioned in creation week. ...as much as some people might think they are equal.

The issue is not what seems correct in the hunch factory recesses of your mind. Asexual organisms outnumber sexual ones by quite a large margin. That the most populous beings on earth are not mentioned in Genesis is just another indication that Bronze age men didn't have as complete a view of the world as they thought.

 

[Delphiki]

Hey, just give up on dad. I did. He didn't come here to learn anything -- he just came to proselytize. Just let him be anti-intelligence. He'll change his mind when he's about to die and needs some of that precious medicine science developed for him.

 

[Nostromo]

Giving up on him just wouldn't be the Christian thing to do