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Right, right....I think you just proved my point. We have swapped one evil for another and you don't even see it.
I don't see the prison system as evil, I see it as necessary. But even if it were evil; the fact that we had the prison system in place during and even long before slavery, refutes your claim that we swapped the evil of slavery for the evil of the prison system. IOW your argument fails.I think you just proved my point. We have swapped one evil for another and you don't even see it.
So what's your point? Because we don't provide women for male prisoners to have sex with, this means prison is equal to slavery? Is this the point you are trying to make?Instead we compel prisoners, by force, against doing any breeding.
I don't see the prison system as evil, I see it as necessary. But even if it were evil; the fact that we had the prison system in place during and even long before slavery, refutes your claim that we swapped the evil of slavery for the evil of the prison system. IOW your argument fails.
I think today, there's a LOT more social awareness concerning such practices, yes.
I think today, you'ld be hard pressed to find people who would think such things are okay.
Back in the day, it was a lot easier to get people to engage in it AND get away with it.
Today, you won't be getting away with it. The world will be coming after you.
Prison averages out to 83.7% slavery. Thats my point.So what's your point? Because we don't provide women for male prisoners to have sex with, this means prison is equal to slavery? Is this the point you are trying to make?
In "a way". So, really: no. Only maybe, if you redefine what "selling" means.
Do we still keep slaves? Why not?
Do we still have systems of apartheid? Why not?
Are women still primarily breeding vessels confined to the kitchen? Why not?
Do we still have barbaric public executions? Why not?
Do we have things like animal rights these days? Why do we?
How come it is like that today, while no more then 300 years ago, it was very very different?
For me morality is about the ability to understand the consequences of actions and how those actions affect me and my neighbor. And it starts from the position that what is helpful and fair to me and my neighbor is good and right, and what is harmful and unfair to me and my neighbor is bad and wrong.
Then let me rephrase; I don't see the implementation of the prison system in the US as evil. It may not be perfect; nothing is, but it definitely isn't evil.No-one is saying the idea of prison is evil, but the implementation of it in the US is.
But those private companies don't have a say so in who goes to prison. So it doesn't matter if they have a vested interest or not; they are powerless in who goes there.It has been trusted to private companies with a vested interest in keeping people enslaved. This was not happening on a commercial scale during the days of "actual" slavery.
Prisoners have rights because they aren't owned by anyone; that makes it 0% slavery. That's MY point.Prison averages out to 83.7% slavery. Thats my point.
What constitutes helpful vs harmful is determined exclusively by me.What about what is helpful to you and harmful to your neighbor or vice versa?
That’s where the subjectivity comes in at; I don’t know. I’m not perfect; all I can do is the best that I can.And how do you know that you are not , at least subconsciously , stacking the deck in your favor .
What constitutes helpful vs harmful is determined exclusively by me.
That’s where the subjectivity comes in at; I don’t know. I’m not perfect; all I can do is the best that I can.
In the OT, yes, but there was a point to all that, the Old Covenant, (it was to reveal to man, something about man, that he needed saving from) (And so, the OC and OT, especailly after the Law, was a very dark period, and would be a very dark period of time, with what the law was actually meant to do)...When I read the bible and observe the many immoralities contained therein, I'm heavily inclined to disagree.
The law made nothing perfect, (but the entering in of a better and new covenant with Christ afterward, and better hope, did, or does, or can... anyway) The law made nothing perfect, in fact, far from it, and one it's real, true intended purposes was to make the sin of man abound, and become even more sinful, and much worse, and more wicked, and more sick...In the OT, yes, but there was a point to all that, the Old Covenant, (it was to reveal to man, something about man, that he needed saving from) (And so, the OC and OT, especailly after the Law, was a very dark period, and would be a very dark period of time, with what the law was actually meant to do)...
After Christ we are under a/the New Covenant, (which is where the saving part comes in) with what would appear to be a whole different moral philosophy, and yet it's not, and there is a point to all that as well...
God Bless!
A different course of action because it goes against my moral beliefs.Let me restate the question. If you determine that an action you might take is helpful to you but harmful to your neighbor, or lets make it extreme, to everyone else but you. What would be the correct moral course for you to take.
Of course not; I’m better than that.And would you be justified if you decide that your moral compass centers around the fact that you are the central most important figure in the universe to yourself and that therefore the action that harms everyone else but helps you is the morally upright action to take.
Sadly I fear that ethnic cleansing is perfectly fine in the viewpoints of some number, maybe even 20-40% of Americans, if we remove the euphemism (the false cover) of 'deporting illegals' , and call it what it is -- a true racial prejudice against latinos.
That's not really "hard pressed" to find, I'm sad to say.
I wish you were right that it was hard to find.
That day will come, after Christ remakes the world.
Yes there is still slavery.
Yes There are still systems that discriminate against people based upon things like race, religion, political ideology.
Women were never primarily breeding vessels confined to the kitchen.
Yes there are still barbaric executions.
Animals still have no rights.
People still are basically self centered just as they always have been.
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