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Thanks for admitting this openly.
It explains a lot I didn't understand about your posts before.
Sometimes it takes 2 years to get to the source of someone's ideas,
and seemingly a lot of wasted time and questions before getting there.
At this point of my near-death experience, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void.
I was in pre creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time / the First Word/the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That’s a mind-expanding thought, isn’t it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event that created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.
FredVB said:This as testimony of personal experience isn't so reliable. The idea that there are many universes produced was not from real basis other than the physical constants that are parameters in this universe that are independent of each other are just right for this universe to function with stars, galaxies, and any kind of possible life at all in worlds among that, and the parameters wouldn't be right for it with any different value, and many other universes thought to explain one working in this way, that design would not be considered to explain it. There is avoidance with all this, even with thinking of alien intelligences that were with technology that was God-like, of the necessary existence, which would be eternal and unlimited, that without there being such that could create other existing things there would always be nothing at all.
DennisTate said:Would you be offended if G-d has recorded every tiny detail of every moment of your life including the number of hairs on your head in any given instant??
Reverend Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience
The Life Review of Howard Storm
If the Big Bang started before the fall then this happened in a time where everything was not subject to the same conditions we have now. So maybe things like time, matter, space, materialism, the way cause and effect operates were different. Certainly none of these things were around before the Big Bang. I think however our universe came about must have come from a non-material cause. I think this may relate to the "Word" that is spoken about in the Gospel of John 1, 1-3,I am an Evolutionary Theist........
I am of the belief that a being with "Godlike" technological capability
began, far far far far far more than 13.72 billion years ago, in
fundamental or nearly fundamental energy that to at least some
degree corresponds with "Energy from Quantum Vacuum."
This Intelligence learned and learned, and experimented..... .and
designed Big Bang type events, nearly an infinite number of them,
and eventually, around 13.72 billion years or so ago began our.......
Big Bang event that led to the evolution plus creation of
all the life forms that we see here on earth.
If the Big Bang started before the fall then this happened in a time where everything was not subject to the same conditions we have now. So maybe things like time, matter, space, materialism, the way cause and effect operates were different. Certainly none of these things were around before the Big Bang. I think however our universe came about must have come from a non-material cause. I think this may relate to the "Word" that is spoken about in the Gospel of John 1, 1-3,
"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was at the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made".
For me, this points to all material existence coming from a non-material cause. It is more than intelligence because it incorporates all the qualities that are found in Christ as He is the Word made Flesh. Christ was able to be raised from the dead and defy a physical death. Therefore this goes beyond any material understanding of life and existence, science and intelligence.
I can understand how quantum physics can be related to this as it has many of the elements seen in God being able to be in more than one state and in all possible places at once. Quantum particles can tunnel through solid objects etc. But I think something had to be even before this point as quantum states, even a quantum vacuum is still a materialistic state. Somehow I think Gods Word is the cause of everything. God may have actually spoken existence into reality. This is something beyond our comprehension and I do not think we can explain it.
But I agree even at the smallest point that we can try to explain how everything began such as through the Big bang and what may have caused the Big bang had some intelligence in it. It is impossible to even explain without turning to some explanation that requires intelligence. It is when we move beyond this that it is hard to only use intelligence to explain things. Perhaps it is a bit like how the physical brain and consciousness work. We can iunderstand how intelligence works with the brain but find it harder to explain consciousness. Some say that consciousness may go beyond the material world as well and maybe this is connected to whatever was before our universe began.
I have read several articles about the looming economic crisis that may make the GFC seem small and could be the straw that breaks the Camels back as far as the US dollar and our system of economics. I always think this relates to the end time and how no one can buy or sell without the mark of the beast. Certainly, if the economic system crashes then this will change the way people do business and get essentials and therefore we will see some sort of control over products such as rationing which may require a common form of purchasing such as an ID card or something like that.In my opinion your reply is BRILLIANT and was exactly what I was hoping for at the time that I began this discussion!!!!!
From what I have read we are facing some off the scale serious problems in terms of economics and so humanity desperately needs an idea........ that could fit with the idea of an infinitely ancient Intelligence..... that probably places essentially INFINITE value on human life......(and very high value even on the lives of cattle and sparrows).
Apparently, there are 4.3 trillion dollars in cash in the hands of China, Iran, George Soros, Europe and Russia who have been discussing the option of seriously devaluing the USA petrodollar in order to stop America from being able to finance policing the world.
Apparently, there may be thirty-five trillion dollars worth of oil and natural gas in. the Warming Arctic that China and Russia are wanting to get at so much of the battle over pipelines may have been motivated by this desire to knock out the USA as the world's leading.... and only real superpower.
Apparently there are 117 - 127 trillion dollars worth of DERIVATIVES on Wall Street that also make the USA dollar and economy vulnerable.
Prophecy for America, money devalued, earthquake then revival for church?!
and.....
Could God be the most emotional being in the universe????
I have read several articles about the looming economic crisis that may make the GFC seem small and could be the straw that breaks the Camels back as far as the US dollar and our system of economics. I always think this relates to the end time and how no one can buy or sell without the mark of the beast. Certainly, if the economic system crashes then this will change the way people do business and get essentials and therefore we will see some sort of control over products such as rationing which may require a common form of purchasing such as an ID card or something like that.
I know in the last GFC some countries that went Bankrupt or near to it began to move towards ground up ways of doing business such as bartering and co-ops in sharing the basic of life. I think that the crash will be so great that we may never be able to do business the way we have under a capitalist neoliberal system. Though countries maybe fighting for Oil reserves in the depleting Arctic environment it seems that this resource may not be as valuable as it is tied to that monetary system and the crash will cause people to revalue everything and look to alternatives more like green energy with the fear of pending doom and gloom.
I think this can be related back to intelligence as a representation of the cause and driver of life which is associated with science and materialism versus the non-material meaning in life. Many people will be reassessing what life is all about and questioning the so-called intellects who were the masterminds behind most of the way we have lived especially in the 20th century and be looking for a more meaningful way to do things that are not based on capitalism and neoliberalism but on sharing and caring almost back to the old ways of doing things where people traded talents and found ways of getting the essentials. Though I think there will be a battle between the old guard of economic and a growing number looking for alternative ways to get by.
This may coincide with the revival of spirituality and people becoming more aware of there being something more to life than the material world. An awakening of consciousness. Perhaps as some have said with a revival of belief in God as the spirit of God descends on us and many peoples eyes are open to not only how the way we have been living is not the answer but on a deeper level of needing redemption.
I think The scientific material view, as opposed to the spiritualist view, is at the root of how we see and approach life and apply things like economics and science. The worldview of evolution is more than just about biology but also about a philosophical position which extends to all areas of life. From this humans can think that life is a product of material processes and can be manipulated and humans begin to think they are gods and can control nature and their future. Whereas taking a theistic view at the very least incorporates a greater power beyond humans and puts an intelligence behind things. This tends to cause people to respect nature and have a more balanced approach.
The problem is with a worldview is humans will always be seeking to do things their way and try to build a man-made world and use resources and this includes capitalism. There is never a balanced approach and it always tends to exploit. I think people are beginning to realize this and that is why we are seeing more people looking for alternative ways to do things and for more meaning in life. The brave new world that was promised by our economic system is being exposed as a sham and many are feeling sad and we are seeing mental health problems increase such as depression and suicide.
So though we may see a revival I think there will still be a battle between the worldview that humans have the power and answers alone and spirituality where we put our faith in God and unfortunately, those in control of things will still be trying to hold onto the old ways and there will be many false prophets along the way.
The image of the future that they gave me then, and it was their image, not one that I created, surprised me. My image had previously been sort of like Star Wars, where everything was space age, plastics, and technology.
The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.
And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.
There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.
What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.
People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.
Animals lived with people, in harmony.
People, in this best of all worlds, weren't interested in knowledge; they were interested in wisdom. This was because they were in a position where anything they needed to know, in the knowledge category, they could receive simply through prayer. Everything, to them, was solvable. They could do anything they wanted to do.
No.If I can help an Atheist to take one or two steps toward belief i figure that is really worth doing. I was an Atheist myself for several years.
No.
The meaning is , with your false teachings, any little ones and those weak in faith and those who might be seeking the Kingdom of Heaven who stumble by the deception,
you will be held accountable for.
As an atheist, you were on safer ground, not subject to such severe judgment and wrath from Yahweh as today.
I was in pre creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time / the First Word/the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That’s a mind-expanding thought, isn’t it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event that created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.
Sorry, but false teachings like that do no good at all, and can only harm little children and others who are looking for truth.
The image of the future that they gave me then, and it was their image, not one that I created, surprised me. My image had previously been sort of like Star Wars, where everything was space age, plastics, and technology.
The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.
And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.
There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.
What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.
People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.
Animals lived with people, in harmony.
Howard Storm's light being friends told him more about the new world to come. According to them, God wished to usher in the kingdom within the next two hundred years. In order to do so, God had rescinded some of the free will given to creatures, in favor of more divine control over human events. This new world order, according to Howard, will resemble some near-death descriptions of heaven. People will live in such peace and harmony and love that communication will be telepathic, travel instantaneous and the need for clothing and shelter eliminated. The lion will indeed lie down with the lamb.
Intelligence begins when people realize science is investigating God as we speak.....
Romans 1:20
They are just currently in their excuse phase and ignoring the Energy/Mind that is in all things and from which all things were formed and which all things will return to....
It took me years after I returned from my near-death experience to assimilate any words at all for the Void experience. I can tell you this now: the Void is less than nothing, yet more than everything that is! The Void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is Absolute Consciousness; much more than even Universal Intelligence. The Void is the vacuum or nothingness between all physical manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components. Modern science has begun to study this space between everything. They call it Zero point. Whenever they try to measure it, their instruments go off the scale, or to infinity, so to speak. They have no way, as of yet, to measure infinity accurately. There is more of the zero space in your own body and the Universe than anything else!
I am an Evolutionary Theist........
I am of the belief that a being with "Godlike" technological capability
began, far far far far far more than 13.72 billion years ago, in
fundamental or nearly fundamental energy that to at least some
degree corresponds with "Energy from Quantum Vacuum."
This Intelligence learned and learned, and experimented..... .and
designed Big Bang type events, nearly an infinite number of them,
and eventually, around 13.72 billion year or so ago began our.......
Big Bang event that led to the evolution plus creation of
all the life forms that we see here on earth.
God planned and executes the spin of each electron in the Cosmos.
Colossians 1,17
And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Revelation 1,8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Isaiah 48,12
“Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; I am the first, and I am the last.
Hebrews 4,13
And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
"Pulling and gravitation, which resemble basic feminine traits, are the dominant properties of the magnetic loop. Consequently, magnetic loops have a capacity for storing energy and act to maintain the structural integrity of the entire wave formation. The electronic/energetic loop consists of expanding properties that disperse energetic matter that “disappears” into space. This is synonymous with masculine characteristics." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)
"The essential matter from which our universe is created is energetic matter. It behaves like living matter, creating every known entity, including living objects and even thought (which occurs through energetic matter–wave interaction). The essential structure of energetic matter is high-energy (concentrated energetic matter) electro-magnetic waves (picture above). This simple structure is the basis of everything: every energetic formation and the universe. In picture 2, we see that the DNA (double helix) of all living formations has the same structure as waves: two loops of the same energetic matter, behaving according to the same rules." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)
I absolutely agree with you in this.........
I do think that the Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman writings and diagrams are brilliant and show how G-d is working everything out even at the subatomic level.
Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex
Grand Unified Theory: Wave Theory and Life
It solves all of the "problems" with creation, evolution, predestination, prayer, etc.
If God is in complete control of everything, then we don't have to be concerned
about what is "us" vs "His" will, or any of that heady stuff. God gets all the credit. I can't find any "partial" control considered in scripture.
Technology has nothing to do with the issue. God creates through force of will.
All of reality is His creation and obeys His will.
As far as the OP goes, intelligence started with God, who is neither matter nor energy, but spirit.
Science, technology, and other benefits, they told me, had been gifts bestowed on humanity by them - through inspiration. People had literally been led to those discoveries, many of which had later been perverted by humanity to use for its own destruction.
I see no obvious commonalities between the two - why does String Theory remind you of Dr. Ritchie's dream?
"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"
The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it? An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
....
"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."...
"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)
Kaluza-Klein theory doesn't involve extra dimensions of time, only one of space; and, to my knowledge, it doesn't specify the compactified dimension as more energetic or being of 'higher energy'.Higher invisible dimensions of space and time ..... with higher dimensions INVISIBLE to lower energetic dimensions for certain reasons.
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