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So explain how did God make [a woman], from [a mans rib] then?Poofing a Y chromosome into an X is an unscriptural miracle.
Since the text itself says that it's figurative, there's no problem.So explain how did God make [a woman], from [a mans rib] then?
Adam, created first, from the dust of the ground.Since the text itself says that it's figurative, there's no problem.
No, that's wrong. Mornings and evenings without a sun make it clear that it is not a literal account.Nothing says it should not be interpreted literally.
Non-sequitur. It was the Light of Christ's face, in my OEC view, over seven long days.Mornings and evenings without a sun make it clear that it is not a literal account.
Three days, anyway, if you interpret it as a literal account. But "morning" doesn't mean "big light in the sky." Otherwise moonrise would be morning.Non-sequitur. It was the Light of Christ's face, in my OEC view, over seven long days.
No, in my reading, God shined His Light 7 long GALACTIC days, and quenched it six times, to produce six GALACTIC nights, over 4 billion years, simulating (Galactic) mornings and evenings to any extent He desired.Three days, anyway, if you interpret it as a literal account. But "morning" doesn't mean "big light in the sky." Otherwise moonrise would be morning.
That seems like an unnecessary addition to scripture.Meanwhile I presume His face also dispensed a tiny beacon of sun-Light to the earth until the 4th Galactic day. At which point He moved our sun into place. Earth thus always experienced conventional 24-hour days, and conventional mornings and evenings - from the standpoint of experience.
"Let there be light." The Light of Christ's face is an "addition" to Scripture? What Bible are you reading?That seems like an unnecessary addition to scripture.
I'm looking, but I don't see Christ's face illuminating the Earth anywhere in Genesis 1 or 2,"Let there be light." The Light of Christ's face is an "addition" to Scripture?
I can't prove anything 100%, but Paul is clear enough. 2 Cor 3 and 4 talks about the Light in Moses' face. Then at verse 4:6, Paul directly cites Genesis 1:3:I'm looking, but I don't see Christ's face illuminating the Earth anywhere in Genesis 1 or 2,
Biblical revelation is progressive. Certain details are omitted in the early accounts. For example Genesis 1 doesn't clearly delineate a Trinity.I'm looking, but I don't see Christ's face illuminating the Earth anywhere in Genesis 1 or 2,
Also, saying that Christ was created on the first day would be theologically incorrect and dangerous. JW's may believe this.I'm looking, but I don't see Christ's face illuminating the Earth anywhere in Genesis 1 or 2,
Who is claiming THAT?Also, saying that Christ was created on the first day would be theologically incorrect and dangerous. JW's may believe this.
Peter was just a small stone built atop the bedrock of something much bigger than himself: namely, the truth that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God. Put simply, Peter was not the rock; Christ is the Rock.Our salvation is synergetic, it is the result of our cooperation with God’s will. Just to clarify I’m not Catholic. I’m a nondenominational who has a tendency to lean towards the Eastern Orthodox doctrines pertaining to salvation.
I noticed you didn’t answer my question? Why did Jesus name Simon “Petros”? Was it merely a coincidence what Jesus said to him in Matthew 16:18?
Peter was just a small stone built atop the bedrock of something much bigger than himself: namely, the truth that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God. Put simply, Peter was not the rock; Christ is the Rock.
It's not unusual for God/Jesus to change a persons name ... biblically a person's name describes their character ... and when a change in character happens the Lord see's fit often to give them a new name that describes their new character (new identity). ie Abram/Abraham, Sarai,/Sarah,
Jacob/Israel (many others)
When several people in the Old and New Testament had a spiritual awakening by coming to God, on a new or deeper level, He gave them a new name, a new identity that redefined their lives. No longer would they be defined by their old ways but rather be called and realized by their new names/new character.
John 1:42
Andrew brought him to Jesus, who looked at him and said, "You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas" (which is translated as Peter).
Simon had a spiritual awakening/revelation .... as Jesus stated .... ie ... My Father has revealed this to you ....
Matthew 16:17
King James Bible
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
The church (body of believers) is built on Jesus (who was without sin) ... Peter was a sinner. (ALL have fallen short)
1 Corinthians 12:13). Anyone who believes is part of the body of Christ and has received the Spirit of Christ as evidence. All those who have received salvation through faith in Jesus Christ comprise His church (body of believers).
Biblically speaking we didn't just come from Adam but also Noah then from one of his son's Shem, Ham, or Japheth. That line is revealed through the offspring of Seth a child of Adam and Eve. But who Seth married and had children with is not revealed, anything else is conjecture. However there is a sense of "others" being around otherwise what's the point of marking Cain after he killed Able? On a greater point I really don't think these accounts are supposed to answer those questions. The line that is biblical established is goal driven to establish a golden line for the Hebrews outside that perspective is really out of it's scope. This golden line is less driven by factual details or step logic like western thinking demands. the important thing is the goal, which is establishing a pure line under God, but the details that make up that goal can be somewhat fluid, this is very common for ancient eastern culture. These accounts also are pre-history (certainly for the Hebrews it was) and written well after the fact. If we follow the biblical timeline from creation to Moses it's about 2500 years. I think the OP really is asking the wrong question and it is more productive of us to look for the meaning behind the genealogies established at the time it was written for the Hebrew and by extension what is means to us since we are adopted into that line. I would suggest the meaning is more abstract and spiritual than it is literal. I'm not challening the literalness per se, but rather saying the literalness is probably the least important parts of the accounts and it is misfocused to put our energy into it.I was curious as to how divided posters are on this topic. As a former Catholic, now Lutheran, (who is still unsure if I’m in the right church) I learned from the writings and some communication via email with Edward Feser, that humans may have started as part of a population of hominids but that God gave Adam and Eve souls, making them human. Then their offspring interbred with these other hominids and so on. I’m probably oversimplifying Feser’s theory and it’s been a long time since I’d read it, but what are your thoughts on this idea?
Or do you believe we came from Adam and Eve, whose children interbred with one another and so on?
Other theories?
Nothing in later scripture says that, either. I get that it has to be inserted to make a literal Genesis plausible, but that doesn't seem like a sufficient reason.Biblical revelation is progressive. Certain details are omitted in the early accounts. For example Genesis 1 doesn't clearly delineate a Trinity.
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