HannibalFlavius
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Elijah is here.
That's why you see a huge Jewish roots movement.
The spirit of Elijah brings gentiles back to Jews as one body.
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When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?
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Elijah is here.
That's why you see a huge Jewish roots movement.
The spirit of Elijah brings gentiles back to Jews as one body.
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Matthew 17:10-13 can be understood as referring to two different comings of Elijah, the first being John the Baptist's coming "in the spirit and power of Elijah" (Luke 1:17, Matthew 17:12-13), and the 2nd being a still-future physical coming-back of Elijah himself, when he will restore all things (Matthew 17:11), in the sense of restoring all true doctrine, i.e. all true interpretation of the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16), to the church. This still-future, physical coming-back of Elijah himself could occur at the midpoint of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 11:3-12).
That is, in Revelation 11:3-12, the two witnesses could literally be Moses and Elijah. For the two men seen "standing before the God of the earth" (Revelation 11:4) at the transfiguration were Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17:3). And in Revelation 11:4. the "two olive trees" refer back to the two men who were already standing by the Lord by the time of the prophet Zechariah (Zechariah 4:11,14), which was subsequent to the times of Moses and Elijah.
Moses and Elijah could come down from heaven in their mortal bodies at the midpoint of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, just as they came down at the transfiguration. Also, the plagues that the two witnesses will cause (Revelation 11:6,5) will match plagues that Moses and Elijah caused in Old Testament times (James 5:17, Exodus 7:20; 2 Kings 1:10-14). Elijah never died, but was taken bodily into heaven (2 Kings 2:11b). And Michael retrieved Moses' dead body from Satan (Jude 1:9). Michael could have then taken Moses' body into heaven, where it could have been resuscitated back to mortal life, like, for example, Lazarus' dead body was resuscitated back to mortal life (John 12:1). This would explain how both Moses and Elijah could appear alive and well at the transfiguration (Matthew 17:3).
The two witnesses will prophesy and bring plagues on the world during the future, literal 3.5 years (Revelation 11:2b,3,6) of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 12:6,14), which will be in the latter half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. That's why the Antichrist's reign will legally end (Revelation 11:15) right after the time of the two witnesses on the earth will end (Revelation 11:12-15). The plagues that they will bring (Revelation 11:6) will be part of the tribulation's 2nd woe/6th trumpet (Revelation 11:14, Revelation 9:12-13). They will be taken up to heaven before the tribulation's 7th trumpet sounds (Revelation 11:12,15).
They may not be witnesses in the sense of evangelizing the world (Acts 1:8), for the original Greek word (martus, G3144) translated as "witnesses" (Revelation 11:3) can also refer to those who witness against people and bring punishment against them (Acts 7:58). The reason that there will be two witnesses (Revelation 11:3) who will bring plagues to torment the unrepentant world (Revelation 11:6,10b) would be because two witnesses are required to bring judgment against people (1 Timothy 5:19). At the same time, the two "witnesses" could be called that because both of them will be martyred (Revelation 11:7-9). For the same Greek word translated as "witnesses" (Revelation 11:3) can refer to "martyrs" (Revelation 17:6).
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"Matthew 17:10-13 can be understood as referring to two different comings of Elijah"
There are not two different comings of Elijah B2 ... you are adding to scripture
.... and the Elijah to come before the great and terrible day of the Lord came in the first century .... Jesus said that this Elijah was John the Baptist
The day of the Lord is still pending
There are not two different comings of Elijah B2 ... you are adding to scripture
.... and the Elijah to come before the great and terrible day of the Lord came in the first century .... Jesus said that this Elijah was John the Baptist
The day of the Lord is still pending
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You are a false prophet Jon Anon
No more time for you to grab .... and you cannot produce on ounce of verifiable evidence that "Elijah" is on the earth in person
No more time for you to grab .... and you cannot produce on ounce of verifiable evidence that "Elijah" is on the earth in person
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HannibalFlavius
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Ask what you will for proof, but be aware that what you ask will certainly come to you personally.
What would you have Elijah do?
How would prove to yourself that you have met Elijah?
Ask.
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HannibalFlavius
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The people in the upper room were waiting on the promise, counting the omer right up until the promise was given.
They went out and became servants to people under the Messiah Ben Yoseph.
Likewise, every year the people of God wait on the promise every year, hoping that this is the year.
If you are not waiting, you do not receive.
The first promise was of being a servant as Joseph, the but the people who receive the second promise are not servants, they are angry sons of King David.
How would you know whether or not the spirit has come or not?
Were you prepared and waiting at the hour on the day of the promise?
It has just came and went, and let's suppose that people have already received the promise, How would you know unless you were amongst them?
You call Jo Anon a False prophet, But how do you really know?
Do you even know the day and hour of the promise in order to wait for it like the people in the upper room?
The spirit of Elijah has been in this world for quite a few years, I'd say 10.
But when the spirit is given to the chosen few, it is given in double portion and it is not a spirit of a loving servant, but a spirit of an angry man.
But how would you know whether the spirit had just come, the day has just passed.
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"You call Jo Anon a False prophet, But how do you really know?"
Your full comment is pure hobgoblin
I asked for evidence of Elijah's appearance and was told that it would be given
Now the dating has passed .... and Jon Anon has disappeared
Exactly has I thought he would
This guy is a false prophet .... so must you be as well
Your full comment is pure hobgoblin
I asked for evidence of Elijah's appearance and was told that it would be given
Now the dating has passed .... and Jon Anon has disappeared
Exactly has I thought he would
This guy is a false prophet .... so must you be as well
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HannibalFlavius
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Jesus ABSOLUTELY talked about the spirit of Elijah coming and it is obvious that Elijah must come in the first place.
What did Elijah do?
What did John the Baptist do?
Neither was sent to the Jewish nation, Both were sent to gentiles, not Jews.
It is the job of both of them to turn gentiles back to the roots of the feast of the king of Jerusalem.
To once again unite Gentiles with Jews into one man.
This spirit has been in the Earth, and was promised to come, but there is also a day when the people receive a double portion.
The spirit of Elijah has come, and millions had been turning back to Jewish roots, but this only lasts so long.
And then the promise comes to those who wait on that day, in that hour.
If you don't know the fall feast days of the second rain, then you don't know the day.
And if you don't know what day the promise is given, I would ask,'' Why?''
Don't you know and teach the days of Jesus?
Or do you teach Holy days of somebody else?
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HannibalFlavius
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And what are you?
Somebody that dogs a person really bad.
I would rather be a false prophet.
Your just mean.
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No I am not "mean"
Anon is a false prophet pure and simple
I am a serious student of God's Word concerning a false prophet, and I do not entertain those who dabble with Christian message boards
His Word very clearly states that if one who comes and makes a prophecy that does not come to pass .... that one is a false prophet and needs to be identified as such
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Anon is a false prophet pure and simple
I am a serious student of God's Word concerning a false prophet, and I do not entertain those who dabble with Christian message boards
His Word very clearly states that if one who comes and makes a prophecy that does not come to pass .... that one is a false prophet and needs to be identified as such
Case closed
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That's right.
For the day of the Lord/Christ (2 Thessalonians 2:2) won't begin until the Lord Jesus Christ's 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10), which won't occur until Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, "immediately after" the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8), which is when the rapture will occur (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).
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Note that this doesn't have to happen "once again", because it's spiritually been the case continuously from the beginning of the church down until this day. For just as all genetic Jews in the church have always remained members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36), so all genetic Gentiles in the church have always been spiritually grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire church has always been the 12 tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10).
This has always been necessary, for all those in the church have always been saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), and the New Covenant is made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the same as the "one fold" of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A genetic Gentile believer can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he has been grafted into, and he will receive an answer from God, if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22), without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).
Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they're genetic Jews (Acts 22:3) or genetic Gentiles (Romans 16:4b), have always become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they've undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus (Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13).
It's sometimes claimed that this can only happen by Gentiles observing the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. But the truth is that on Jesus' cross, for both Jews and Gentiles (John 11:51-52), of all times, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), disannulled (Hebrews 7:18), rendered obsolete (Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 3:2-25, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8), taken away and replaced (Hebrews 10:9) by the better hope (Hebrews 7:19), the better covenant (Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-12), the 2nd covenant (Hebrews 8:7, Hebrews 10:9), of Jesus' New Covenant law (Galatians 6:2, John 1:17, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 9:15), so that the law was changed (Hebrews 7:12).
All believers, both Jews and Gentles, of all times, are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law and shouldn't keep it (Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Galatians 2:11-21) or have any desire to keep it (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25). Believers keep the spirit of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6) by loving others (Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10), by doing to others as they would have others do to them (Matthew 7:12).
The New Covenant is a new law (Hebrews 7:12,18,19, Hebrews 10:1-23), consisting of Jesus' New Covenant/New Testament commandments (John 14:15), such as those he gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37). These commandments exceed in righteousness the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Matthew 5:20-48). So there's no reason why any believer should ever want to go back under the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). It was just a temporary schoolmaster (Galatians 3:24-25), a temporary shadow (Colossians 2:16-17), which God set up because of sins long after he'd set up the original promise of the Abrahamic Covenant, and long before he brought that promise to fulfillment in Jesus' New Covenant (Galatians 3:16-29, Matthew 26:28).
The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been made obsolete by the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:13). For example, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required an Aaronic priesthood (Exodus 30:30), whereas the New Covenant replaced the Aaronic priesthood with the Melchisedechian priesthood (Hebrews 7:11-28). Also, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required animal sacrifices (e.g. Leviticus 23:19), whereas the New Covenant replaced those with the one-time sacrifice of Jesus (Hebrews 10).
The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law is the Hagar to the New Covenant's Sarah (Galatians 4:22-25), so that those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who try to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law are like Ishmael, while those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who keep the New Covenant are like Isaac (Galatians 4:22-31).
The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (including the letter of the 10 commandments), written and engraven in stones (2 Corinthians 3:7, Deuteronomy 4:13, Deuteronomy 27:8), was the ministration of death and condemnation (2 Corinthians 3:7,9). For example, see Leviticus 20:10, Exodus 31:14, and Numbers 15:32-36; and contrast these with the New Covenant's John 8:4-11 and Matthew 12:1-8. The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been done away (2 Corinthians 3:11), abolished (2 Corinthians 3:13b). But it's still able to spiritually blind some people as with a veil from beholding Jesus (2 Corinthians 3:14-16), whereas the New Covenant is the ministration of the spirit and righteousness (2 Corinthians 3:6,8,9b), which remains (2 Corinthians 3:11b), and which permits believers to remove the veil and to behold Jesus (2 Corinthians 3:16-18, Mark 15:38, Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15-18, Colossians 2:14-17).
But a mistaken spirit of Pharisaism can still sometimes deceive even Christians into thinking that they must keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in order to be saved (Acts 15:1,5), or in order to become perfect (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). This is a false, cursed gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). For if any believers are keeping any part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, thinking that they must do so in order to be saved, or in order to become perfect, then Jesus will profit them nothing; they have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:2-8).
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HannibalFlavius
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Messiah Ben Yoseph had a dream and told his brothers about it, that all the stars will bow.
He was sold to a gentile nation as a slave, thought to be dead by his family, thrown into a pit{hell}.
The gentiles who bought him were saved through him.
Terrible thing about being rejected by his own brethren but the whole gentile world would be saved through him.
The Prophecies of Joseph say that he would be a vine that climbed over a wall{seas}.
A Messiah ben Joseph was still to come, and in Jesus he came, he came doing exactly what the first Joseph had done, rejected by his brethren, sold to the gentile nations, and through him, we are saved.
The family of Jesus and his brethren still think he is dead but the brothers will be united, and it will be said to them,'' Do not fear, this was supposed to happen.''
The calling of gentiles out of the land of Zebulun and Naphtali is gentiles being grafted through the land of the lost ten tribes and Paul, Jesus, Peter, all explain this saying,'' NOT MY PEOPLE BECOME THE SONS OF THE LIVING GOD.''
This promise is only spoken to the Kingdom of Ephraim, the lost JOSEPH.
ALL the Prophets ALL lead up to the end days when the people of Joseph are re-united with the people of Judah.
Jesus came and made the two ONE MAN, Gentiles under Joseph, and Jews under Judah.
Do you know just HOW MANY Scriptures foretell the gathering and finding of Joseph and his tribes to Judah in the last days?
All of them.
ALL the scriptures lead up to Joseph and Judah becoming one in the last days and then conquering the entire world.
The entire world gathers the wealth of all the nations and then brings that wealth to the feet of the people of Joseph and David.
If you are not of Joseph, and you are not of David, then how will you be among the two when the two shall appoint for themselves, one leader?
We are taught that we gentiles are grafted in through Joseph, and this is why gentiles are amongst Israel in the last days when the world will recognize the people of God, bringing the wealth of the world to the feet of Israel.
Now you can say that Jews and Gentiles will not be gathered together, But that only means that you are not of Israel, thus, not the people of God.
The mission of Elijah and John the Baptist has been exactly as I say, Their mission is to gather gentiles to Israel, to make the two one.
Elijah DOES come again and he prepares a highway for those who return, have you?
Will you?
Will you be counted amongst Joseph?
Will you be counted amongst Israel?
The only people that obtain the reward of Resurrection are those 144,000, these are the first fruits of God and the lamb, Nobody else obtains the reward because all things are done accordingly, Jesus being the first fruits, and all those who belong to Jesus at his coming.
But if you are not of the suffering Messiah Ben Yoseph, and you are not amongst the people of Messiah Ben David, then you are in trouble.
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HannibalFlavius
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Simple questions.
Do you think you are betrothed and or married to Jesus the Jew?
Why did Jesus have to marry you?
What did you become by being betrothed to a Jewish Messiah?
Is Jesus going to do just as the Betrothed husband does after a Jewish couple are betrothed?
Have you married into a Jewish Family?
When Joseph was thrown into a pit, sold into slavery, when he married a Gentile woman, wasn't that the same thing Jesus has done?
There is a prophecy of the son of Joseph saying,'' Out of Egypt, I will call my son.''
This prophecy is spoken specifically to the lost Ephraim, and mentioned when Jesus was brought out of Egypt, because Jesus has to be both, Messiah Ben Yoseph, son of Joseph, the suffering Messiah who was sold into slavery where he saves the entire world, he became
WE Gentiles are to be the servants of Israel just as Jesus said when he quoted Isaiah 60-61.
What did Jesus appoint us to do?
Servants or kings?
Do you go see Jesus in the hospital?
I'll say it again,'' If you Find a needy sick Jew and go see him in the hospital, care for his needs, adopt him as family because he is a Jew, Something will happen to you.''
Jesus came to make two men one, But Paul says himself that ALL Israel will be saved when blindness has been taken away from the Jews, when God turns unrighteousness away from Israel, and no other people can make that claim.''
The spirit of Elijah comes only to make the two one, that is his precise mission.
When Elijah called fire down from heaven, the Jews of Judah were not there.
Only the Kingdom of Ahab, that evil kingdom who would not become one with Judah, they died because of it.
Do you think you are betrothed and or married to Jesus the Jew?
Why did Jesus have to marry you?
What did you become by being betrothed to a Jewish Messiah?
Is Jesus going to do just as the Betrothed husband does after a Jewish couple are betrothed?
Have you married into a Jewish Family?
When Joseph was thrown into a pit, sold into slavery, when he married a Gentile woman, wasn't that the same thing Jesus has done?
There is a prophecy of the son of Joseph saying,'' Out of Egypt, I will call my son.''
This prophecy is spoken specifically to the lost Ephraim, and mentioned when Jesus was brought out of Egypt, because Jesus has to be both, Messiah Ben Yoseph, son of Joseph, the suffering Messiah who was sold into slavery where he saves the entire world, he became
WE Gentiles are to be the servants of Israel just as Jesus said when he quoted Isaiah 60-61.
What did Jesus appoint us to do?
Servants or kings?
Do you go see Jesus in the hospital?
I'll say it again,'' If you Find a needy sick Jew and go see him in the hospital, care for his needs, adopt him as family because he is a Jew, Something will happen to you.''
Jesus came to make two men one, But Paul says himself that ALL Israel will be saved when blindness has been taken away from the Jews, when God turns unrighteousness away from Israel, and no other people can make that claim.''
The spirit of Elijah comes only to make the two one, that is his precise mission.
When Elijah called fire down from heaven, the Jews of Judah were not there.
Only the Kingdom of Ahab, that evil kingdom who would not become one with Judah, they died because of it.
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HannibalFlavius
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Proof of the spirit of Elijah.
You have to prove to yourself.
I found a Jew, a needy, one legged Jew who had been living on the streets. A Jew who could actually trace his lineage back to king David.
I gave him a truck, other Christians joined in and bought him a trailer.
Christians all over the trailer park help him because they have all found the spirit that joins a gentile to a Jew.
When I gave him my truck, a spirit came to me teaching me things.
I didn't hear a voice but coincidence after coincidence, things that made me follow.
I thought that I was supposed to tell people something, I thought I was to predict future events which I in fact did.
It took me two years to realize that I wasn't suppose to say anything, All I am to do is study, it just comes to teach.
The spirit of Elijah comes to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children unto the father's, and if the two will not love each other, THEN the Earth will be cursed.
This spirit of Elijah has always been the same in trying to unite two people in marriage, one kingdom to another.
The spirit of Elijah is in this world now and the proof is everywhere, in churches all over, more and more Messianics, more and more supported Israel.
But we are not there yet, The spirit is here in love right now, and the world has still not learned.
It is about to turn angry.
You have to prove to yourself.
I found a Jew, a needy, one legged Jew who had been living on the streets. A Jew who could actually trace his lineage back to king David.
I gave him a truck, other Christians joined in and bought him a trailer.
Christians all over the trailer park help him because they have all found the spirit that joins a gentile to a Jew.
When I gave him my truck, a spirit came to me teaching me things.
I didn't hear a voice but coincidence after coincidence, things that made me follow.
I thought that I was supposed to tell people something, I thought I was to predict future events which I in fact did.
It took me two years to realize that I wasn't suppose to say anything, All I am to do is study, it just comes to teach.
The spirit of Elijah comes to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children unto the father's, and if the two will not love each other, THEN the Earth will be cursed.
This spirit of Elijah has always been the same in trying to unite two people in marriage, one kingdom to another.
The spirit of Elijah is in this world now and the proof is everywhere, in churches all over, more and more Messianics, more and more supported Israel.
But we are not there yet, The spirit is here in love right now, and the world has still not learned.
It is about to turn angry.
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HannibalFlavius
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Extraordinary events have happened in just the last ten years, The sheer millions of millions who are studying the fall festival days of Christ, who are able to discuss it now.
I used to feel special over a decade ago, but now everyone has past me up.
The world is realizing just what the spirit of Elijah is to do and has always done.
It's been hidden for 2000 years although it is explained so well in the New Testament.
Here are the 7000 men reserved in Northern Israel{NO JEWS}
These are Elijah's reserved 7000 men after he called fire down from heaven.
The Jews were not there when fire fell, because Elijah is not sent to Jews, he is sent to turn the people of the OTHER kingdom back to the Kingdom of David and the city of David.
That other kingdom was mixed into the gentiles and God called them gentiles,'' You are not my people..''
But when Jesus came, Elijah prepared the way for these gentiles to return, the highway was not for Jews, it was for the gentiles to see the light and to be bound to Jews, to make two people, one people.
20 years ago, people did not know this, but now, more and more people are finding out what Elijah does.
Here are the 7000 reserved in AHAB's Kingdom, not Judah, Elijah was not sent to Jews.
13 And, behold, there came a prophet unto Ahab king of Israel, saying, Thus saith the Lord, Hast thou seen all this great multitude? behold, I will deliver it into thine hand this day; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.
14 And Ahab said, By whom? And he said, Thus saith the Lord, Even by the young men of the princes of the provinces. Then he said, Who shall order the battle? And he answered, Thou.
15 Then he numbered the young men of the princes of the provinces, and they were two hundred and thirty two: and after them he numbered all the people, even all the children of Israel, being seven thousand.
I used to feel special over a decade ago, but now everyone has past me up.
The world is realizing just what the spirit of Elijah is to do and has always done.
It's been hidden for 2000 years although it is explained so well in the New Testament.
Here are the 7000 men reserved in Northern Israel{NO JEWS}
These are Elijah's reserved 7000 men after he called fire down from heaven.
The Jews were not there when fire fell, because Elijah is not sent to Jews, he is sent to turn the people of the OTHER kingdom back to the Kingdom of David and the city of David.
That other kingdom was mixed into the gentiles and God called them gentiles,'' You are not my people..''
But when Jesus came, Elijah prepared the way for these gentiles to return, the highway was not for Jews, it was for the gentiles to see the light and to be bound to Jews, to make two people, one people.
20 years ago, people did not know this, but now, more and more people are finding out what Elijah does.
Here are the 7000 reserved in AHAB's Kingdom, not Judah, Elijah was not sent to Jews.
13 And, behold, there came a prophet unto Ahab king of Israel, saying, Thus saith the Lord, Hast thou seen all this great multitude? behold, I will deliver it into thine hand this day; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.
14 And Ahab said, By whom? And he said, Thus saith the Lord, Even by the young men of the princes of the provinces. Then he said, Who shall order the battle? And he answered, Thou.
15 Then he numbered the young men of the princes of the provinces, and they were two hundred and thirty two: and after them he numbered all the people, even all the children of Israel, being seven thousand.
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