When Whites Were Slaves in Africa

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Little known to most people, white Christians were often captured and enslaved in Africa in the Barbery Slave Trade (usually by Muslims). They were frequently resold over and over and conditions were deplorable.

There are no records of how many men, women and children were enslaved, but it is possible to calculate roughly the number of fresh captives that would have been needed to keep populations steady and replace those slaves who died, escaped, were ransomed, or converted to Islam. On this basis it is thought that around 8,500 new slaves were needed annually to replenish numbers - about 850,000 captives over the century from 1580 to 1680.

By extension, for the 250 years between 1530 and 1780, the figure could easily have been as high as 1,250,000 - this is only just over a tenth of the Africans taken as slaves to the Americas from 1500 to 1800, but a considerable figure nevertheless. White slaves in Barbary were generally from impoverished families, and had almost as little hope of buying back their freedom as the Africans taken to the Americas: most would end their days as slaves in North Africa, dying of starvation, disease, or maltreatment.

BBC - History - British History in depth: British Slaves on the Barbary Coast

By comparison, only about 388,000 Africans were sold as slaves to the US. The remainder ended up in the Carribean or South America.

How Many Slaves Came to America? Fact vs. Fiction - The Root

Today, the decendents of those African slaves sent to the US enjoy the same rights and priviledges as all citizens. In fact, it was white America that ended slavery and set the slaves free. In Africa, slavery still exists where they enslave their own people including lots of women and children.

The modern West African slave trade

Recently, we have seen the revival of the once thriving slave trade routes across West Africa, after a lapse of 25 years. Slavers have reappeared following the old slave trade routes, except that trucks, jeeps and modern four-wheel drive vehicles and, on occasions, aircraft, have replaced the camels. The slavers often carry mobile telephones.
Some things, however, have not changed. Cunning, deceit, the use of drugs to subdue the children and the whip still remain part of the essential equipment of the professional slaver.
The trade involves most states in sub-Saharan West Africa.
The children are kidnapped or purchased for $20 - $70 each by slavers in poorer states, such as Benin and Togo, and sold into slavery in sex dens or as unpaid domestic servants for $350.00 each in wealthier oil-rich states, such as Nigeria and Gabon.
These children are bought and sold as slaves. They are denied an education, the chance to play or to use toys like other children, and the right to a future. Their lives are at the mercy of their masters, and suicide is often the only escape.
 
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Not quite sure how this is pertinent to American Politics, or am I missing the point?

The point is to diminish the complaints of injustice against blacks in the US.

Veritas falls flat when she writes this: "Today, the decendents of those African slaves sent to the US enjoy the same rights and priviledges as all citizens. "

No, often they don't enjoy those same rights and privileges. On a purely technical, legal basis they now do - but even that wasn't the case until a couple decades ago. But practically speaking, it's still not universally true.
 
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Veritas takes a number and makes it "mean" something it does not. Whether they came from Africa or from Antarctica doesn't change anything. From the link:

Incredibly, most of the 42 million members of the African-American community descend from this tiny group of less than half a million Africans. And I, for one, find this amazing.

and from numbers.net:

Keep in mind that after the American Revolution, the Southern slave population exploded, reaching about 1.1 million in 1810 and over 3.9 million in 1860. In 1860, slaves represented about 33% of the Southern populations.

The laughable, "White people ended slavery" statement, is supposed to mean something? Since White people in the US bought and owned the slaves here, it would only make sense that only "White people" could end it here.

Veritas seems surprised that the US was not the only place slavery existed. ^_^
 
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Much of the Muslim world continued to practice slavery well into the twentieth century - and it only stopped due to Western pressure. But what of it? Slavery only matters if white people can be blamed for it.
 
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Slavery only matters if white people can be blamed for it.

Or, if Mooslims did it.:cool: Hate to break it to my fellow White brothers and sisters, but there's this thing called Human Trafficking that us White folk still do, along with other Americans. Victims are also from many ethnic groups. Isn't it great that equal opportunity has been brought to the slavery business?

The United States of America is principally a transit and destination country for trafficking in persons. It is estimated that 14,500 to 17,500 people, primarily women and children, are trafficked to the U.S. annually.
 
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This thread topic does not belong in this section at all, but some posters refuse to post in other sections because they know no one will respond to their threads.

Many of the assumptions here show severe ignorance of slavery and attempt to link it back to American slavery is pitiful. But let's play the game.

Let's get one thing straight, race is a byproduct of European colonialism. When you talk about Africans "selling their own people", you're trying to apply a racial ideology that everyone in the world does not follow. Africa is comprised of many countries, nations and ethnic groups. They are divided along these groups, much as many Indians still follow castes.

There is also the wrong idea that White America ended slavery. Abolition is not race-based and abolition in America can be traced more to "White Britain" than "White America" as it was the British stopping slave ships on the way to the United States. But even with that, what's with the self-congratulatory pat on the back? White Americans first defined slaves as 3/5 a person because they subscribed to the crazy idea that they could enslave another group of people based on skin color and this group of people were "lesser" than them. This is crazy; they got less crazy 100 years later and you're expecting a cookie? They were still crazy because they created laws to prevent African Americans from enjoying the same privileges and protections of the law in American society. The fact that they decided to not be as racist means they deserve to be lionized?

Turning slavery into an issue through the prism of race ignores what the system is, a system of oppression that denies people freedom. Chattel slavery of the United States is not the only form of slavery there is, and the fact that slavery has reemerged in some African countries does not diminish the racism that occurred and continues to occur in the United States.
 
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Not quite sure how this is pertinent to American Politics, or am I missing the point?

I'm not surprised. Most Brits have no idea how ingrained the black slavery paradigm is. Challenging it is heresy.

The point is to diminish the complaints of injustice against blacks in the US.

Veritas falls flat when she writes this: "Today, the decendents of those African slaves sent to the US enjoy the same rights and priviledges as all citizens. "

No, often they don't enjoy those same rights and privileges. On a purely technical, legal basis they now do - but even that wasn't the case until a couple decades ago. But practically speaking, it's still not universally true.

In your opinion.

This thread topic does not belong in this section at all, but some posters refuse to post in other sections because they know no one will respond to their threads.

Many of the assumptions here show severe ignorance of slavery and attempt to link it back to American slavery is pitiful. But let's play the game.

Let's get one thing straight, race is a byproduct of European colonialism. When you talk about Africans "selling their own people", you're trying to apply a racial ideology that everyone in the world does not follow. Africa is comprised of many countries, nations and ethnic groups. They are divided along these groups, much as many Indians still follow castes.

There is also the wrong idea that White America ended slavery. Abolition is not race-based and abolition in America can be traced more to "White Britain" than "White America" as it was the British stopping slave ships on the way to the United States. But even with that, what's with the self-congratulatory pat on the back? White Americans first defined slaves as 3/5 a person because they subscribed to the crazy idea that they could enslave another group of people based on skin color and this group of people were "lesser" than them. This is crazy; they got less crazy 100 years later and you're expecting a cookie? They were still crazy because they created laws to prevent African Americans from enjoying the same privileges and protections of the law in American society. The fact that they decided to not be as racist means they deserve to be lionized?

Turning slavery into an issue through the prism of race ignores what the system is, a system of oppression that denies people freedom. Chattel slavery of the United States is not the only form of slavery there is, and the fact that slavery has reemerged in some African countries does not diminish the racism that occurred and continues to occur in the United States.

Contradictory. I don't even know how to say what needs to be said. Some people wake up everyday just waiting to be offended.
 
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I'm not surprised. Most Brits have no idea how ingrained the black slavery paradigm is. Challenging it is heresy.
I don't think you understand what was written.

In your opinion.
You have no understanding of American history. After slavery was an era of segregation in which African Americans did not enjoy the same rights as all Americans. Likewise, today African Americans are still discriminated against based on the color of their skin hence resumes with "black-sounding" names getting significantly less phone calls for interviews despite resumes having the same credentials besides name.

Contradictory. I don't even know how to say what needs to be said. Some people wake up everyday just waiting to be offended.
Contradictory in what way? I do not think you're reading the things you are responding to; American slavery was based on race. There is slavery in other parts of the world that are not based on race. Pointing out these other forms of slavery does not diminish the existence of racism in American society.
 
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Likewise, today African Americans are still discriminated against based on the color of their skin hence resumes with "black-sounding" names getting significantly less phone calls for interviews despite resumes having the same credentials besides name.

Most people would agree that there is no God-given right to "receive as many telephone calls for interviews regardless of the blackety blackness of your name", or something right that. Black Americans are often treated unfairly, but they still have equal rights under the law as legislated. Equal rights under the law is a very different beast from equally right treatment in general. Still, you can use the idea of equality under the law to appear to people's sense of fairness, and get them to the right thing even in non-legal scenarios.
 
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So very true. None of you facts diminish any single thing that was done by Whites to Blacks.

This is true and I completely agree. That said, those facts DO diminish the sanctimonious pedestals the oikophobic bigots stand on, which is why, I think the OP was created.
 
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This is true and I completely agree. That said, those facts DO diminish the sanctimonious pedestals the oikophobic bigots stand on, which is why, I think the OP was created.

Can you say "tu quoque"?
 
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This is true and I completely agree. That said, those facts DO diminish the sanctimonious pedestals the oikophobic bigots stand on, which is why, I think the OP was created.

We will simply disagree on the intent of the OP. But it is a good example of how statistics can mislead if one isn't well-versed in their use and does not consider context.
 
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