When does NO mean No?

[Ledifni]

Well, don't men have a "point of no return" thing with [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]? Like, once they get to a certain point they are going to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] if a freight train comes crashing through the wall? But then, I'd say if you haven't made your mind up by that point then you really have no justification for complaining when the guy keeps going for a few seconds after you cry foul, and then has no clue what you're talking about when you yell at him for raping you because he was so close to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] he didn't even hear you.

There ain't no such thing as a point where you can't pull out. If you're already past the point of no return, you better have some Kleenex handy... or an understanding girlfriend.

 

[Rae]

There are relationships where "no" doesn't mean "no."

 

[Spinrad]

There are relationships where "no" doesn't mean "no."

Then they substitute "safe" words. The idea is the same.

 

[loriersea]

I'm going against the grain here, but I don't think it's rape in that case. It's inconsiderate and probably morally wrong, but it's not rape.

In general, consent doesn't work on a moment-to-moment basis. If, for example, I consent to a medical procedure, I can't change my mind halfway through. Or, I can change my mind, but they don't have to stop the procedure, because I already gave my consent. That doesn't mean that, before the procedure, I can't change my mind, but once the surgery is underway, my consent is binding.

I think it's the same here, in a less rigid way. A woman is a competant moral agent, who is fully capable of consenting or not consenting to sexual acts. If she consents to a sexual act, she does so with full knowledge of what it will entail. I don't think she should be allowed to just change her mind halfway through and then hold the man legally responsible. That is saying that women are not competant moral agents, equipped with the forethought to make rational decisions.

Now, if the sex act turned into something she did not consent to--if the man tries to initiate anal sex, or S&M, or something she hadn't consented to--then I do think we are talking about rape. Just as, if you consented to your doctor doing a D&C and they gave you a hysterectomy, you'd have very good grounds for suing them.

But, if you consent to sex, and the act has your full consent when it begins, then I don't think changing your mind halfway through but the man not stopping would constitute rape.

 

[snowydc2003]

unless it is all part of an agreed upon sex game where another word that has been agreed upon means no instead, NO ALWAYS MEANS NO, and yes i did mean to shout it!

 

[AtheistPerson]

Its a bit late to say no, when its obvious she didnt have a problem with it earlier.

 

[praying]

When does NO mean No?

When a woman says NO!!! don't stop!!

 

[kopilo]

No means no, he should stop

umm as many as people will disagree with this, sometimes it is not always a male doing the raping, especially when the use of medicines and "relaxents" are used.

 

[Madcoil]

But No! doesn't mean Stop!

 

[qpmomma]

I have to go with no means no.

Although, I would wonder at the type of person who decides to stop after penetration has occured.

SEVERAL reasons! If the girl was assulted in the past and she has a flashback and freaks out, NO MEANS NO!

Christina

 

[kopilo]

Words do not lose meaning No will always mean No....in any case, isn't it better to respond to the word, rather then be up for sexual charges? or whatever?

 

[Diane_Windsor]

Depends on her reason for asking him to stop

As for the legality of it-you'll have to ask a lawyer: Law & Legal Systems

Diane

 

[Brennin]

If the woman says "no" you need to stop, although it is perfectly acceptable to pester her about it afterward