What's with all the 'racist uncles'?

[OldWiseGuy]

What are you talking about?

Here's what I'm talking about:
Brown v. Board of Education - Wikipedia
Segregation academy - Wikipedia
Runyon v. McCrary - Wikipedia

I'm talking about today's problems, not ancient history.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, in other (accurate) words, your ideas have merit, but must be implemented carefully.

You criticized most of them, thus the hopelessness.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You can't "raise yourself" by your own bootstraps.....

Sure you can. I did. If a minority kid can get a job at a fast food place he or she can become financially secure or even rich.

One big problem is that many poor people, especially kids, spend what little they have pretending they are not poor.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You criticized most of them, thus the hopelessness.

I guess you don't want truth with every subject, after all.

 

[Kaon]

Sure you can. I did. If a minority kid can get a job at a fast food place he or she can become financially secure or even rich.

One big problem is that many poor people, especially kids, spend what little they have pretending they are not poor.

Raising yourself up by your bootstraps is a romanticism that feeds an individual's own pride and vanity. Every single person was helped up by another, which makes the message of a place like America so much more ironic considering how differently demographics are treated.

You didn't raise yourself from your own bootstraps; you had help like everyone else did. This cliche is to justify NOT helping people who are considered undesirable, because of the "accessibility" of the American dream. Very dangerous since there is such dehumanization against some demographics (and has been).

Just to make sure, are you trolling me?

 

[Kaon]

What would be your time frame for getting any individual out of poverty?

An individual cannot get out of poverty if there are systematic chokepoints put in place to reset any progress.

This is what the majority choose to ignore - the system that does this - because more benefit from the system (sometimes without knowing it.)

It is blatant when looking from outside the States; some of the citizens are frogs in hot water.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I guess you don't want truth with every subject, after all.

It was a sarcastic response. If someone says something can't done, who am I to argue.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Raising yourself up by your bootstraps is a romanticism that feeds an individual's own pride and vanity. Every single person was helped up by another, which makes the message of a place like America so much more ironic considering how differently demographics are changed.

You didn't raise yourself from your own bootstraps; you had help like everyone else did. This cliche is to justify NOT helping people who are considered undesirable, because of the "accessibility" of the American dream. Very dangerous since there is such dehumanization against some demographics (and has been).

Just to make sure, are you trolling me?

The 'system' isn't against minorities. Check out who is employed in the service industry...mostly minorities. Those aren't permanent positions but 'entry level' jobs for poor people, upon which a good lifestyle can be built, if managed properly.

Recall the oft repeated exhortations by many concerned people to these minorities:

Stay in school, be diligent in studying.
Stay out of trouble with the law.
Don't get pregnant or get anyone pregnant.
Care for your health (diet and hygiene).
Dress and groom for success.

To be successful on the job: Cheerfully serve everyone; your boss, the customers, and fellow employees.

These admonitions should be posted in every school and workplace.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I'm talking about today's problems, not ancient history.

Of course you are.

Since when are 1954 and 1976 "ancient history"?

 

[Kaon]

The 'system' isn't against minorities. Check out who is employed in the service industry...mostly minorities. Those aren't permanent positions but 'entry level' jobs for poor people, upon which a good lifestyle can be built, if managed properly.

Why do you think mostly minorities are in SERVICE - because the system is for them?

The ceiling for minorities save a token few is a systematic problem in and of itself. This includes women, and especially minority women. You can't manage chaos unless you choose the initial conditions. That is math.

[Quote ] Recall the oft repeated exhortations by many concerned people to these minorities:

Stay in school, be diligent in studying.
Stay out of trouble with the law.
Don't get pregnant or get anyone pregnant.
Care for your health (diet and hygiene).
Dress and groom for success.

[/quote]

This implies minorities are disproportionately in need of these social and psychological tropes, while at the same time ignoring the fact that the vast majority of minorities 1) follow the law, 2) care and take care of their children, and 3) treat all education as if it were paramount to fundamental growth.

You may not even realize how much of the problem is being exposed just in this exchange.

To be successful on the job: Cheerfully serve everyone; your boss, the customers, and fellow employees.

These admonitions should be posted in every school and workplace.

Those are psychological conformaties that worked on the generations up to baby boomers, and half the generation after them - a type of "keep calm and carry on" - completely obsolete today. The world is global; you will meet people who do not behave the same way culturally. If you have prejudicial preference based on the psychological programming that raised you, then you will ignore and miss plenty of talent and opportunity to fellowship with others.

I would imaging it is quite insulting to have to hear how much of a social invalid one is - before one is allowed to show who one truly is... and then to be told, "you are crazy" for realizing it. The 0th step in all of this is to stop stereotypes and prejudices. But, that will never work.

If you have seen my other posts, I highlight that this is exactly why America is falling, and so fa harder than any other empire. America never became 1 people; the prejudice and racism has always been ignored. Now that there is a critical point, there is no way America so be able to repair after financial andnsocial collapse.

Americans hate themselves and each other too much to be able to survive collapse - which is inevitable - and it is because of the ignorance and cowardice to face the racism and prejudices for the better.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It was a sarcastic response. If someone says something can't done, who am I to argue.

So who said it can't be done? Who are you "not" arguing with?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Of course you are.

Since when are 1954 and 1976 "ancient history"?

Do you see a return to those days?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This implies minorities are disproportionately in need of these social and psychological tropes, while at the same time ignoring the fact that the vast majority of minorities 1) follow the law, 2) care and take care of their children, and 3) treat all education as if it were paramount to fundamental growth.

Smarter people than you or I have often cited these fundamentals for success in regards to the poor and minorities.

 

[SummerMadness]

Smarter people than you or I have often cited these fundamentals for success in regards to the poor and minorities.

People repeat a lot of myths about minorities on here, like the absent black father myth. But even so, this does not change the systemic oppression detailed in the multiple DOJ reports on police departments across the country. But this is how racism works, it subjugates a group and then blames them for subjugation.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So who said it can't be done? Who are you "not" arguing with?

I have a lot of experience and I know what a person can do. Those with less experience, or a bad experience, might differ. But I fear the conversation is always tilted towards the group rather than the individual, and therein lies part of the problem. My experience can't save the group, but might help the individual.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

People repeat a lot of myths about minorities on here, like the absent black father myth. But even so, this does not change the systemic oppression detailed in the multiple DOJ reports on police departments across the country. But this is how racism works, it subjugates a group and then blames them for subjugation.

Myth?
77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants

 

[iluvatar5150]

Do you see a return to those days?

What's that got to do with anything?

The issue to which I was responding was:

TLK: What do you think screwed up the community?

OWG: We, and themselves, not holding them to higher standards, especially in education.

"Not holding them to higher standards" is a strange way of describing a systematic effort to keep them uneducated.

 

[SummerMadness]

And yet many individuals attain success.

Citing a small percentage succeeding despite racism does not mean that reforms to address that racism should not be pursued. Some black people had mansions in the 1960s, that doesn't mean that we ignore housing discrimination (which according to some posters here, they participate in).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Citing a small percentage succeeding despite racism does not mean that reforms to address that racism should not be pursued.

It's question of who's going to blink first.

And, revisit post #76

 

[OldWiseGuy]

"Not holding them to higher standards" is a strange way of describing a systematic effort to keep them uneducated.

What's so difficult to understand about;

Stay in school, study hard.
Stay out of trouble.
Don't become a father, or a mother (yet).
Care for your health.
Dress and groom for success.

If you want to be successful in 'Rome', do as the 'Romans'.