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A church I went to from when I was very young thru deep into college was bad. They didn’t believe in teaching kids. I didn’t hear John 3:16 till a high school friend assumed I knew it because everyone who goes to church knows it. I always had faith, & knew God created the world, people live in rebellion, & Jesus offers eternal life & goodness, but specific verses or anything, I didn’t know, was never taught. Bible was never taught. Just social hour. “Teachers” didn’t know, didn’t care, had no faith themselves, thought you can’t make people believe, everything. The closest thing we got was learning some of the Parables when we were still very young.
 
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TRUTH: A Gospel where God is only love is no Gospel at all. If you are preaching God is only love & 'feel good' messages, you are denying why it's such good news & it's therefore not good news. It's also just something you can find from any motivational speaker or anyone off the street
 
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I am so excited for God! Praise God!!! To God be the glory!!!


It was probably a bunch of things. Evil begets evil. So Saucy isn't wrong, but to ignore the rampant sexual sinning of the cities is wrong too.

Also Jude confirms it was a lot of sexual sins. (most likely homo & hetero both)
I wasn't ignoring the sexual sins at all. I was just pointing out what scripture said was their chief sin. Scripture trumps our opinion on the matter.
 
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I wasn't ignoring the sexual sins at all. I was just pointing out what scripture said was their chief sin. Scripture trumps our opinion on the matter.
I just read the chapter. The next verse: Verse 50: "They were haughty & did detestable acts." So the full quote is "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, plenty of food, and carefree ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty & did detestable acts."

What were these detestable acts? The rest of the chapter is all about sexuality. The whole chapter in general is calling out sexual sin (prostitution). This whole chapter is actually in support that Sodom's biggest problems were sexual. Verse 27 spells out specifically Jersualem was prostituing themselves to the Assyrian men & then when that wans't good enough, the Chaldean men. Ezekiel is comparing this problem to the sins of Sodom. In the context of the 'not supporting the poor & needy', I'm guessing what was going on was the people (most likely most were rich & powerful but wouldn't have been exclusive to that or even a majority) were prostituting themselves & chasing world's pleasures, not God's, & not other people's in the way he wants them to. & that did come at the expense of the poor.
So it's a double-whammy against God: It's not loving him with all your heart, soul, & strength b/c you're not following his commandments on sexuality; & it's not loving your neighbor as yourself. If this still isn't satisfactory, we can refer back to Genesis & Jude. All 3 are in harmony with each other. But unfortunately this is what false teachers do, they take a verse that sounds good, ignore the rest of the context, pretend it's not there, scribble it out when it's brought up in other places, & run w/ it to justify what they want to hear. Oh Saucy, what are you learning in those classes you signed up for....I am terrified for you right now.

The Bible trumps the world's opinions, but for the genuine Christian, it confirms what we know to be true & is a reminder for when we forget.

I really really think in this day & age where churches are caving on these issues: to downplay the sexual sins of the cities, that is very very dangerous right now & leading sheep to the slaughter, so that is why I am pushing back some.

BUT here is joy: People many times say that the God of the OT & NT are different, that he 'changed' & somehow 'grew up'. No, that verse you quoted says he cared about the poor & needy even back in the OT. It's the exact same thing you find in the NT w/ Christ preaching that.
Also, the beginning of the chapter is very beautiful. It talks about how much God loves Jerusalem & picked them for his own. Then the chapter gets depressing b/c Jersualem turned their back on God despite his love & prosituted themselves - everything God gave him as tokens of his love, they gave to aid in their prostituion. . But then at the end of the chapter it gets joyful again b/c even tho Jersualem did this, God says he remembers his covenant anyways & will stand true to it even tho they rejected him despite his deep love for them.
 
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So then it's like, well maybe that Ezekiel chapter is all just parable & metaphor. It kind of reads like it. Maybe prostituting just refers to practicing idolatry. Well how did they worship their false gods? Temple prostitution.
The chapter also talks about how they were sacrificing children. This was ridiculously common in this time period. (still is?)
Worshipping false gods wasn't just bowing to an idol like it's showed in mainstream TV, books, movies, etc.
As a friend was saying the other day: they didn't get judged for missing Sunday School.
They also didn't get judged solely for 'not being a good person.'
They got judged b/c they were commiting the most vile & wicked sins possible against a holy God.
 
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It’s usually explained to me your supposed to love your enemy b/c they’re part of humanity just like you, that God created them just like you.

I always found this unsatisfactory. It always sounded like something a pagan would say.

It turns out it's not all of why

God loves his enemies. A love born out of pity & compassion. That’s why you’re supposed to. If God can love his enemies, doting on them with his goodness, those that don't care for him & spit on his face, so can you

God is good
 
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It’s usually explained to me your supposed to love your enemy b/c they’re part of humanity just like you, that God created them just like you.

This is some of it. I always found it unsatisfactory. It always sounded like something a pagan would say.

It turns out it's not all of it.

God loves his enemies. A love born out of pity & compassion. That’s why you’re supposed to. If God can love his enemies, doting on them with his goodness, those that don't care for him & spit on his face, so can you

God is good
Something I struggle with every day :(
 
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I finally got my Nintendo Switch to display on my TV set after almost a year of having to use the small screen. It was a simple matter of re-plugging the cord connecting the switch to the TV. I swear I've tried that before, but at least it's working finally. :clap:
 
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