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I know some if you are wondering about the deleted thread from Dan. I cannot go into specifics, but there were things going on that you were not aware of. The Admins decided to close the thread due to that. It was not a decision made lightly. I'm sure if I was on your end, I'd be frustrated too. But this does not give you cause to flame the staff.

I do want to add that I'm sorry for the loss. And I'm glad that there are many here who remember him fondly.


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Not flaming, but what you just explained actually made it worse for me because you gave really no explanation. "Things going on that we were not aware of?" Ugh well that just makes me more curious. I sent a PM to a mod that closed his other thread and still have yet to get a response other than "what was his name?"
 
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Not flaming, but what you just explained actually made it worse for me because you gave really no explanation. "Things going on that we were not aware of?" Ugh well that just makes me more curious. I sent a PM to a mod that closed his other thread and still have yet to get a response other than "what was his name?"

I cannot help your curiosity, but I do understand. I'd be the same way if I was in a similar position.
 
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I cannot help your curiosity, but I do understand. I'd be the same way if I was in a similar position.

Well might I suggest that you don't make those types of comments that would lead to further anxiety in the future? And also since you know this is a sensitive situation and there are things I don't know that were going on, that maybe, if this happens in the future, you could at least give us members the common courtesy of telling us that the MODS closed the thread even if you don't or can't give an appropriate explanation? Some of us might have wanted or needed to re-read his words. Did any of the MODS think of that?
 
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Well might I suggest that you don't make those types of comments that would lead to further anxiety in the future? And also since you know this is a sensitive situation and there are things I don't know that were going on, that maybe, if this happens in the future, you could at least give us members the common courtesy of telling us that the MODS closed the thread even if you don't or can't give an appropriate explanation? Some of us might have wanted or needed to re-read his words. Did any of the MODS think of that?

At this point, I think it's best if you start a thread in the Member Services Center. This is not the appropriate forum for this discussion.
 
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Michelle, I think that message was just for you. I don't have permissions to read it. Evidently only you and an administrator can use that link. I guess make sure whatever is in the link is okay to share.

Also, Dan's message was a suicide note, essentially. The police investigate any unnatural death, for obvious reasons, so his message online would be evidence rather like a handwritten note would be. So I imagine the police would have been given its contents and any technical info. So leaving the message up where people could keep posting could present a problem. And how could they just leave the message up? I imagine there are privacy issues and who knows what. I wish a moderator had posted a message at the time Dan's message was removed. I was upset about that, too - it was kind of like he was erased. Anyway, I am throwing a lot of conjecture out there. I don't have any info. I thought I would present a different side.
 
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Our moderation policy is that only the OP is notified of the reasons for thread removal. In this case, that was not possible. In addition, suicide threats, reports, etc., are removed. That is to prevent triggering others who are struggling as well as to address the issue of the person needing to seek the appropriate help - with professionals off line.

As this was a rare exception to the general situations, we don't have a policy or practice in place for this. Thankfully this is a rare occurrance.

I can understand the loss that is being experienced, as losing friends are a tragedy. I'm sorry that we were unable to handle the situation as member may have felt that it should have been handled. At the same time, this makes us aware of the concerns should we face this again in the future, and the need to discuss if there is another way to handle these situations.
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Here is what she said above. her being Kristen.NewCreation

Also Dr. you make some very good points. MY point was that it should not have been zapped without a word! I still feel that way but it's whatever now, but thanks for the different perspective. I liked Kristen's response because even though we still don't know ALL the reasons why at least it's not more of a mystery "things going on you know nothing about" like the other explanation. No offense Hammster but seriously grieving people are not always rational and that needs to be taken into consideration when explaining. It would have been better to just say we can't tell you why but we had to or something.
 
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Dan's note was not overtly a suicide note and maybe would never have come to the moderators notice if I hadn't recognized it as such and posted a crisis center hotline number on it.

I have also contacted the moderators and believe that the forum is going to take a deeper look at how they handle situations like this one. The "general" policy obviously didn't work well in this situation.

There was healing in that letter but it can't be shared anymore since it disappeared. He did address that we made a difference by caring about him and taking the time to talk to him even if he ultimately made the decision that he made.
 
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I also address the way that this was addressed...the normal "MOD HAT" post is not very appropriate way to interact with us in a situation like this. Those posts always feel like I am being scolded by a school teacher yelling very loudly at me. They might be "cute" if the conversation is getting a little bit rude or obnoxious but they can also be seen as a bit rude and callous, if the conversation being moderated is of a serious nature.
 
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I also address the way that this was addressed...the normal "MOD HAT" post is not very appropriate way to interact with us in a situation like this. Those posts always feel like I am being scolded by a school teacher yelling very loudly at me. They might be "cute" if the conversation is getting a little bit rude or obnoxious but they can also be seen as a bit rude and callous, if the conversation being moderated is of a serious nature.

I feel the exact same way when I see a "MOD HAT" post.
 
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Our moderation policy is that only the OP is notified of the reasons for thread removal. In this case, that was not possible. In addition, suicide threats, reports, etc., are removed. That is to prevent triggering others who are struggling as well as to address the issue of the person needing to seek the appropriate help - with professionals off line.

As this was a rare exception to the general situations, we don't have a policy or practice in place for this. Thankfully this is a rare occurrance.

I can understand the loss that is being experienced, as losing friends are a tragedy. I'm sorry that we were unable to handle the situation as member may have felt that it should have been handled. At the same time, this makes us aware of the concerns should we face this again in the future, and the need to discuss if there is another way to handle these situations.
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Here is what she said above. her being Kristen.NewCreation

Also Dr. you make some very good points. MY point was that it should not have been zapped without a word! I still feel that way but it's whatever now, but thanks for the different perspective. I liked Kristen's response because even though we still don't know ALL the reasons why at least it's not more of a mystery "things going on you know nothing about" like the other explanation. No offense Hammster but seriously grieving people are not always rational and that needs to be taken into consideration when explaining. It would have been better to just say we can't tell you why but we had to or something.

Thank you for sharing, Michelle.
 
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This will sound a tad random, but I was rereading a few of Dans posts, and I saw that Blackribbon had asked Dan what "Spoice" meant. He musnt have seen the question, cos I couldnt find a reply.

Anyways, I looked up "Spoice", and there are a few definitions, but as soon as I saw this, I thought, I reckon this might have been what he meant! He had mentioned in this thread that he was watching the winter Olympics, and was talking about when he was younger, he had done snowboarding and skiing.

When I did the Google search for definitions of "Spoice", Sage Kotensburg, one of the medal winning Olympians said "Keep it spoice". The definition that was given is..

"For all those people out there who aren’t well-versed in snowboarding lingo, Urban Dictionary defines spoice as “an exclamation of gratitude towards life. It's the proper word to use when you find yourself in a situation involving a multitude of positive things at once. You may only utter it with pure joy behind it." It is “derived from snowboarding culture by people living in dreamworld.”

Just thought it was interesting that he changed his User Title to that, not long before he passed away!
 
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