What Would YOU Do If . . .?

[WatersMoon110]

Secular counseling condones abortion. People sometimes get counseling when considering the matter, whether professionally or medically like a nurse or even family and friends.

Actually, counseling given to women before they abort is generally given at the abortion clinic. They have counselors on staff to do so.

I'm sure there are many counselors who don't work for a specifically Christian organization that are Pro-Life. There are quite a few Pro-Lifers who are liberals, or even atheists out there. None that I can think of among the regulars of E&M, but I know some personally on another site.

I don't think that most counselors (who don't work in abortion clinics) really discuss abortion with their clients, unless the client is having a hard time dealing with something to do with abortion (a few examples being: a friend that is getting one, a family member that got one, or the client getting one in the past and regretting it now). And if a client did have an issue to do with abortion, I don't think the counselor would state their opinion on the matter -- their job is to listen to what their client thinks.

I have a suspicion that you haven't had very much experience with Secular Counseling, though I could be mistaken.

 

[roflcopter101]

It's not formed til it has the cells of the sperm and egg. Before that, it doesn't have its unique DNA.

How is this related to Christian values?

 

[WatersMoon110]

I know all of the abortion threads are on the third page, but could we maybe try and argue about abort in a thread (like angellica's) where it isn't so off topic? Thanks.

 

[corvus_corax]

Please, it's late, READ WHAT I SAID.

Good luck with that
I have explained my point to her more than twice, and yet she still seemingly decides to "read into" my posts rather that honestly reading and replying to them.

Typical really.

 

[David Brider]

We are talking about our CHILDREN, which would be raised in a Christian home with Christian values.

They wouldn't necessarily be Christians, though.

David.

 

[corvus_corax]

In the end, I notice a lack of coherent, reasonable responses from people such as PC_F and angellica.
I also notice a lot of accusation (SO Jesus like, right)
And I notice a lot of goal post shifting, beating around the bush, and backpedaling.
Typical.

I also notice complete hypocrisy as well.
Again, typical.
I expected better.
Why?
Dunno, just did
Not disappointed on my end, just seeing what I expected I guess.
Typical of the "fundamentalist" Christians who post most frequently on this sub forum.

Maybe I was just looking for better from Christians
(yeah, Christians, that's a hint, and a big one)

 

[roflcopter101]

Let's all have some ice cream.
This thread should die now.

 

[SiderealExalt]

well, i guess as a christian i am less ocncerned about the happiness of people than i am about the holyness of God. God does not call us to do things that make us happy...he calls us to love and glorify him with our lives and our choices. just because it makes us happy does not mean that it is the best thing for us. if we are living in Gods will, happiness and contentment will follow.

I repeat my earlier statement. This I see is the moral failure of Christianity. It's why I find the religion immoral to me, and why I ultimately do not trust Christians.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=49966970#post49966970

We are talking about our CHILDREN, which would be raised in a Christian home with Christian values.

What else can I say other than I am so glad my idea of the definition of "values" is so very different.

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[Nihilismus]

I expected better.

I see you still have some faith in you for us to stamp out.

 

[Wyzaard]

I would reject the sin, not the sinner. If they insisted on living a sinful lifestyle, they would have to go elsewhere to do so.

Which is indeed rejecting them... for misguided reasons.

 

[Wyzaard]

You can't blame them when you refuse to give up a sinful lifestyle that they do not want to condone. It's like if your kid was a drug addict...

For the Nth time, NO such comparison can reasonably be made; being gay is neither a lifestyle nor a dangerous condition.

One can very well blame them, and should; if a child of yours turns out to be gay, you'd very well be blamable as well if you were to reject them.

 

[David Brider]

actually Jesus says this:

"One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important? The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

alot of people forget the first part of this.

I didn't forget it, but thanks for mentioning it.

i care more about what Christ thinks of how i treat people than what other people do.

Fine. But I don't really think Jesus is terribly happy when Christians treat LGBTQ folks unkindly. I could be wrong about that...but I doubt it.

like i said before, if someone is gay and a non-christian then really our only response can be love and prayer, in hopes of bringing them into relationship with Jesus (wether they are my child or not).

I'd say the best way that Christians can treat any non-Christians (regardless of their sexual orientation and of whether they're our children or not) is with dignity and respect. They're people, however much we may disagree with them over sometimes very fundamental issues.

if the person is a christian than it is our responsibility to try and bring them back into right relationship with him. alot of times that does mean "disassociation" form the family or whatever...not abandonment. love can still be shown without acceptance of their choices.

You assume that if someone is gay and a Christian then they're not in right relationship with Him. I can't make that assumption.

David.

 

[corvus_corax]

Let's all have some ice cream.
This thread should die now.

Back off boy
Im working on my second piece of Punkin Pie

I see you still have some faith in you for us to stamp out.

Get those hob nailed, steel toed boots on then!

 

[David Brider]

I honestly don't understand what is so wrong with being single. What is wrong with just having friends, not a lover?

Absolutely nothing.

But if you meet someone, fall in mutual love with them, start dating, etc., it could well be that the single life is not for you.

And the reality is that some for people (and this may include your own children, should you end up having any) the person they meet and fall in mutual love with just happens to be of the same gender as themselves.

David.

 

[PhilosophicalBluster]

Consider:

(According to Christianity) We are all created in G-d's image.
:. Homosexuals are created in G-d's image.

How can G-d's image be an abomination?

 

[Wyzaard]

Not if it means turning my back on God.

Ummm... these people haven't "turned their back on god"; what about them?

http://gaychristian.net/

 

[Archer93]

Because you have yet to tell me the problem with being single. I'm acknowledging the situations and telling you what I would really do in each one.

There's nothing wrong with being single as such, there's a major problem with being single when there is someone that you love deeply abd you can't be with them.
It's bad enough when the reason why you can't be with them is to do with external factors- when it's because of some other people's personal interpretations of a holy book, it's sickening.

 

[Archer93]

actually Jesus says this:

"One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important? The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

alot of people forget the first part of this. i care more about what Christ thinks of how i treat people than what other people do. like i said before, if someone is gay and a non-christian then really our only response can be love and prayer, in hopes of bringing them into relationship with Jesus (wether they are my child or not). if the person is a christian than it is our responsibility to try and bring them back into right relationship with him. alot of times that does mean "disassociation" form the family or whatever...not abandonment. love can still be shown without acceptance of their choices.

1 corin 5:11
"But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat."

I've asked this before on these forums quite a while ago but never seemed to get and answer- why the obsession with the fanfic? Paul wrote Corinthians, not Jesus. Jesus associated and ate with everyone. Jesus was a pretty hoopy frood but Paul comes across as a control freak, writing pages and pages of 'What Jesus really meant to say was...'
Love your God. Love your neighbour. That's it.

 

[HaloHope]

For the Nth time, NO such comparison can reasonably be made; being gay is neither a lifestyle nor a dangerous condition.

One can very well blame them, and should; if a child of yours turns out to be gay, you'd very well be blamable as well if you were to reject them.

Great post.

Being gay is in no way shape or form comporable to being a drug addict and it's beyond me how anyone can even begin to draw a comparison.

 

[WhatThe]

I've asked this before on these forums quite a while ago but never seemed to get and answer- why the obsession with the fanfic? Paul wrote Corinthians, not Jesus. Jesus associated and ate with everyone. Jesus was a pretty hoopy frood but Paul comes across as a control freak, writing pages and pages of 'What Jesus really meant to say was...'
Love your God. Love your neighbour. That's it.

I agree