What Would YOU Do If . . .?

[Polycarp_fan]

Well, it doesn't change.
It wasn't what my parents wanted either.
So, basically, I fell out of their life for about 20 years, mostly because of the conditional love that they offered.

I had a partner of 7 years. Every time she called, she would ask, "Who was that? Who is Christopher??" When I would remind her, she quickly changed the subject. This went on for 7 years.

They have never come to see me. Not once. Not even when I was living alone for many years.

Not once.

Why not respect them for their solid moral and ethical convictions?

 

[angellica]

Wow, you really don't get it. First of all, you think that I'm going to allow my kids to go over to Grandpa's house so he can load their minds with all sorts of anti-gay BS? I won't do that for the same reason some Christian parents won't put their kids in public school.

Second, and more importantly, did you read what I wrote? You repressed your kid so much with your anti-gay dogma you convinced them that anything but traditional marriage and family is abnormal, thereby delaying the inevitable and causing them to do anything in an attempt to fiil your definition of normal -- including marrying straight and starting a family. And when that doesn't work, they realize what a mistake they made. It's a common theme in the gay population.

No. I merely taught them that homosexuality is abnormal. I never forced them to date or marry anyone. They can be single, what's wrong with that??

 

[geekgirlkelli]

No. I merely taught them that homosexuality is abnormal. I never forced them to date or marry anyone. They can be single, what's wrong with that??

I find it hard to believe that you are really this simple-minded. If you are, honestly, there is no point in further discussion with you. I am finding it increasingly hard to believe that you're not a sock puppet.

 

[angellica]

I find it hard to believe that you are really this simple-minded. If you are, honestly, there is no point in further discussion with you. I am finding it increasingly hard to believe that you're not a sock puppet.

I honestly don't understand what is so wrong with being single. What is wrong with just having friends, not a lover?

 

[geekgirlkelli]

I honestly don't understand what is so wrong with being single. What is wrong with just having friends, not a lover?

There are many reasons why a child would try to live the life their parents pounded into them as being the only "normal" life. They may have tried coming out to you, maybe even in a roundabout way and then never mentioned it again because of the negative reaction they got from you. I sincerely doubt you're going to tell your kids to be single, particularly since the book you use to condemn being gay so fiercely also says to "be fruitful and multiply."

Again, it seems you're being deliberately obtuse. Whether it be because you are in such deep denial or something else, who knows.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

I see it as a much bigger issue, not trivial by any means. It's more than an orientation - it's a lifestyle.

So why do always defer to your opinion over that of psychiatrists and scientists that have proven differently?

 

[angellica]

There are many reasons why a child would try to live the life their parents pounded into them as being the only "normal" life. They may have tried coming out to you, maybe even in a roundabout way and then never mentioned it again because of the negative reaction they got from you. I sincerely doubt you're going to tell your kids to be single, particularly since the book you use to condemn being gay so fiercely also says to "be fruitful and multiply."

Again, it seems you're being deliberately obtuse. Whether it be because you are in such deep denial or something else, who knows.

It also says that you don't have to get married. It says something to the effect of if you can't control your sexual urges, get married but if you can, then you don't have to.

 

[b&wpac4]

I honestly don't understand what is so wrong with being single. What is wrong with just having friends, not a lover?

Do you want to have a husband and a family?

 

[angellica]

So why do always defer to your opinion over that of psychiatrists and scientists that have proven differently?

Not if it means turning my back on God.

 

[angellica]

Do you want to have a husband and a family?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

 

[tcampen]

No. I merely taught them that homosexuality is abnormal. I never forced them to date or marry anyone. They can be single, what's wrong with that??

All the gay people I know in committed relationships are as innately homosexual as I am heterosexual. They always were as much as I always was. Their relationships are based on love, commitment, trust and respect, just as mine is with my wife. We have friends, neighbors and co-workers in these relationships, as as we are ourselves. Through our actual experience, we have found it would be immoral to treat them and their relationships with any less respect than with our hetersexual friends in the same position.

I realize you have some specific beliefs about homosexuality, and they appear to by your religious faith. But I am also mindful that rarely do people hold such thoughts that also have real and meaningful interactions with gay couples. I think that if you were to open your heart to such people a little bit, it might be more difficult to reduce them down to a "lifestyle", or "abnormal", or any other phrase we choose to call people who are not just like ourselves. Because when you boil it down, who really is "normal"?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

I already said this a few pages back, but basically it's being gay (romantic and/or sexual) and not believing it's wrong. It's living in defiance of God.

Why would a child have to follow your beliefs, they may be right for you but wrong for them.

 

[b&wpac4]

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

So, you at least like having the choice to do this? Having that small bit of control of your life?

 

[angellica]

Why would a child have to follow your beliefs, they may be right for you but wrong for them.

God's Word is right for everyone.

 

[angellica]

So, you at least like having the choice to do this? Having that small bit of control of your life?

There's no choice involved because I'm not dating anyone at the moment, but yes, it is nice not to be forced to have to marry if that's what you mean.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

It also says that you don't have to get married. It says something to the effect of if you can't control your sexual urges, get married but if you can, then you don't have to.

You can't think at all beyond "Gay is bad, gay is bad, gay is bad, gay is bad." So much so that it's impossible to have a real discussion with you about it, much less discussing real-life scenarios related to this issue that play out every day. Your thinking is so fixated on "gay is bad" and so outside of reality, it's just impossible. No offense intended by my saying that. It's just my observation and I hope someday you are free from that mindset.

 

[b&wpac4]

There's no choice involved because I'm not dating anyone at the moment, but yes, it is nice not to be forced to have to marry if that's what you mean.

You are not forced into either option. You can marry, or you can choose not to.

Now, removing all other arguments, and don't relate this back to homosexuality or whatever, but let's say you met a man, and you fell in love. You decide to marry him, and then someone else stands up, and says you can't marry him, because his hair is brown, and you shouldn't marry a man with brown hair. You love him, you protest, but, you see, they tell you there is just no way, you cannot marry him for they have a book that they call Holy that says men with brown hair cannot be married.

Now, imagine this person had the power to make it so you couldn't marry this man that you love. How would you feel? Would you just accept it?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Following God, praying, church, reading the Bible, living for God.

My days consist of going to work (in a lab environment)leaving and going to the brewery, eating, maintenance of the snakes, eating, the gym and sleep. Often with meetings, beer festivals, cheese, wine and beer tastings, judging beer ,wine and Scotch whiskey. What would you call that lifestyle?

 

[roflcopter101]

A horrible facial disfigurement is not a sin, so no I would not reject you.

That's not the point.
The point is that such a thing such a person is born with, and suppression of this would be in essence "hiding one's self" and like all bad teen movies tell us, "Hiding yourself is badddddd!"
Now if it's harmful to construct an artificial personality in both real life and bad teen movies, isn't it equally harmful to construct an artificial sexuality?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

To say you failed as a parent. Makes it sound as though you are in control of them or control everything at all time. And with all do respect! That life style isn't what God created you to become. In role playing. Compared to the natural order of things. That life style isn't your best avenue for living. Their is a lot of desires I have had to nail to the cross at a great cost to me.....

But they are in fact created that way, why can you not accept that?