What Would YOU Do If . . .?

[angellica]

You are not forced into either option. You can marry, or you can choose not to.

Now, removing all other arguments, and don't relate this back to homosexuality or whatever, but let's say you met a man, and you fell in love. You decide to marry him, and then someone else stands up, and says you can't marry him, because his hair is brown, and you shouldn't marry a man with brown hair. You love him, you protest, but, you see, they tell you there is just no way, you cannot marry him for they have a book that they call Holy that says men with brown hair cannot be married.

Now, imagine this person had the power to make it so you couldn't marry this man that you love. How would you feel? Would you just accept it?

If it's not the Bible and not based on Christianity, why would I listen to it?

 

[b&wpac4]

If it's not the Bible and not based on Christianity, why would I listen to it?

If they don't subscribe to your book and don't believe in your religion, why would they listen to you?

 

[angellica]

My days consist of going to work (in a lab environment)leaving and going to the brewery, eating, maintenance of the snakes, eating, the gym and sleep. Often with meetings, beer festivals, cheese, wine and beer tastings, judging beer ,wine and Scotch whiskey. What would you call that lifestyle?

Yeah, those things are a part of your lifestyle.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

That's not a proper psychological diagnosis, btw.

Actually in most states a Psychiatrist could lose their license for diagnosing something that was based on religion and not science.

 

[JustMeSee]

With all of the grief society puts on being gay, I don't understand why anyone would choose to be homosexual.

 

[angellica]

If they don't subscribe to your book and don't believe in your religion, why would they listen to you?

It's not my religion, it's God's. I will stand up for what He says, otherwise why would I believe in Him at all?

 

[angellica]

You can't think at all beyond "Gay is bad, gay is bad, gay is bad, gay is bad." So much so that it's impossible to have a real discussion with you about it, much less discussing real-life scenarios related to this issue that play out every day. Your thinking is so fixated on "gay is bad" and so outside of reality, it's just impossible. No offense intended by my saying that. It's just my observation and I hope someday you are free from that mindset.

Nothing I said in the quoted post has anything to do with "gay is bad":

It also says that you don't have to get married. It says something to the effect of if you can't control your sexual urges, get married but if you can, then you don't have to.

 

[b&wpac4]

It's not my religion, it's God's. I will stand up for what He says, otherwise why would I believe in Him at all?

Ok, let's just try this on real quick...

What if, maybe, just maybe, you are wrong? What if the Muslims are actually correct, or the Hindu's are correct, or the Buddhists are correct? What if you are wrong?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

It would not be for a supporting viewpoint. It would be to figure out why they feel the need to be gay and what they can do about it.

And if psychiatrists were to tell you it is perfectly normal and there is nothing that can be done about it and maintain their mental health what would you say?

 

[angellica]

With all of the grief society puts on being gay, I don't understand why anyone would choose to be homosexual.

Well, why would anyone choose to become a prostitute, use drugs, or gamble? They do because apparently something is "fun" about it, even if only temporary.

 

[angellica]

Ok, let's just try this on real quick...

What if, maybe, just maybe, you are wrong? What if the Muslims are actually correct, or the Hindu's are correct, or the Buddhists are correct? What if you are wrong?

What if I'm wrong? I have no idea, because I'm not wrong about God or His love.

 

[angellica]

And if psychiatrists were to tell you it is perfectly normal and there is nothing that can be done about it and maintain their mental health what would you say?

I'd find a Christian friend or counselor or pastor to help me.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Their sin is subjecting them to homelessness.




Feel free to disagree with me on that, then.

He is pointing out a fact that you fail to acknowledge, if it were an opinion then it would be disagreement but since we know for a FACT that homosexual orientation is not a choice.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Nothing I said in the quoted post has anything to do with "gay is bad":

You didn't have to say anything directly about it in that post. Your absolute refusal to acknowledge real scenarios and simply laying the blame on the person coming out, saying they were selfish for having kids and should have known better and stayed single, then repeating "they could just be single" over and over says it all.

 

[b&wpac4]

What if I'm wrong? I have no idea, because I'm not wrong about God or His love.

If one thing is very common of a lot of followers of religions, it's that they believe no matter what that what they believe is right. Your faith is no more or stronger than a Muslims'. In fact, I could argue that some of them have more faith, because I can't even imagine the kind of faith it would take to strap a bomb to yourself and be sure you were going to Paradise.
(not that it's a good act, just one that is more full of faith that I'd ever have in anything)

 

[angellica]

He is pointing out a fact that you fail to acknowledge, if it were an opinion then it would be disagreement but since we know for a FACT that homosexual orientation is not a choice.

No, I don't believe we do.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

You can't blame them when you refuse to give up a sinful lifestyle that they do not want to condone. It's like if your kid was a drug addict - you wouldn't want to see them or be around them and see what they are doing to themselves.

How can you honestly compare homosexuality and drug addiction, I have heard it all now.

 

[JustMeSee]

Well, why would anyone choose to become a prostitute, use drugs, or gamble? They do because apparently something is "fun" about it, even if only temporary.

Aside from addictive personalities and money, there is a difference.
All the the things you listed are choices, homosexuality is not a choice.

 

[angellica]

You didn't have to say anything directly about it in that post. Your absolute refusal to acknowledge real scenarios and simply laying the blame on the person coming out, saying they were selfish for having kids and should have known better and stayed single, then repeating "they could just be single" over and over says it all.

Because you have yet to tell me the problem with being single. I'm acknowledging the situations and telling you what I would really do in each one.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

I'd find a Christian friend or counselor or pastor to help me.

Yep, and that Christian counselor or friend will try to convince them that being gay is a choice and is wrong and that being heterosexual is the only right choice. That child will then either rebel immediately, or out of guilt and/or trying to please you and your god, they will repress their sexuality and try to make a go at being "normal." The end result is often the exact scenario I outlined earlier. I have heard the stories over, and over, and over again on how this happened to others.

I suppose they could also be like the father of a woman I met last year by chance in a bookstore while Christmas shopping, whom I found out I knew because he was in the same (very niche) occupation I am in; he was miserable his entire life, and confessed to his family on his deathbed that he was a closeted gay man and wished he had had the courage to come out early in his life. Sometimes I wonder if this isn't the reason my own father is so miserable.