What Would YOU Do If . . .?

[hsmommyofmany]

Jesus told us to love our neighbour as we love ourselves.

If we love them - and treat them as if we love them - then they will be happy. If the way we treat them leaves them unhappy, then there's a problem with the way we're treating them, and that should be a concern.

The way many (by no means all) Christians treat homosexual men and women does leave many homosexuals unhappy. There's scope for improvement there in the way Christians treat homosexuals.

And as someone who's passionate about God's call to us to live lives of holiness, I believe that treating people with fairness and justice and compassion and dignity is totally bound up in that holiness. Holiness doesn't (or shouldn't) trump other people's happiness.

David.

actually Jesus says this:

"One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important? The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

alot of people forget the first part of this. i care more about what Christ thinks of how i treat people than what other people do. like i said before, if someone is gay and a non-christian then really our only response can be love and prayer, in hopes of bringing them into relationship with Jesus (wether they are my child or not). if the person is a christian than it is our responsibility to try and bring them back into right relationship with him. alot of times that does mean "disassociation" form the family or whatever...not abandonment. love can still be shown without acceptance of their choices.

1 corin 5:11
"But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat."

 

[b&wpac4]

Because you have yet to tell me the problem with being single. I'm acknowledging the situations and telling you what I would really do in each one.

Some people can't stand being that alone. They desire the comfort of another human being, in a way a friend can never, ever fulfill.

You seem to have a real easy time with faith and belief in God, I don't. We're different. You don't seem to care too much if you have a significant other in your life, I do. Different people want different things from life, and to some being single is unacceptable.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Their kids could still come over, because they have nothing to do with their mom/dad being gay. Also, one shouldn't get married if you don't want to, or just to be "normal." That's the wrong reason to go into it, and it's even more wrong (?) to bring kids into that situation.

But to summarize, you do not accept said gay child who can't get married because you are against gay marriage so they can never have sex. You would expect them to lead a "normal" life which would be completely against who they are and would make them miserable but when they finally figure out that who they are is not what you want you would then tell them they should have never lived that way, again the way you pushed them to, because it is wrong.

You have a far too narrow definition of what is acceptable to you but unfortunately humanity is not that cut and dried.

 

[angellica]

Aside from addictive personalities and money, there is a difference.
All the the things you listed are choices, homosexuality is not a choice.

Maybe gay people have a predisposition to find same sexes attractive, but that does not mean they should act on it and live in sin. Some people are gay because they don't feel comfortable with the opposite sex or because they aren't popular with the opposite sex or they have low self-esteem. All of these are real problems, and can lead to coming out as gay but it could also be because of any number of reasons. It doesn't change the fact that it is wrong.

 

[angellica]

But to summarize, you do not accept said gay child who can't get married because you are against gay marriage so they can never have sex. You would expect them to lead a "normal" life which would be completely against who they are and would make them miserable but when they finally figure out that who they are is not what you want you would then tell them they should have never lived that way, again the way you pushed them to, because it is wrong.

You have a far too narrow definition of what is acceptable to you but unfortunately humanity is not that cut and dried.

A normal life does not have to include marriage. I never said they had to get married. Good grief, can anyone read? I never said they had to get married or even date anyone. THEY CHOSE to get married.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Because you have yet to tell me the problem with being single. I'm acknowledging the situations and telling you what I would really do in each one.

You're not seeing the big picture (or you're simply ignoring it).

 

[OphidiaPhile]

I honestly don't understand what is so wrong with being single. What is wrong with just having friends, not a lover?

It may be ok for you but how can you really think it is ok to decide what anyone else needs? Maybe they need it for the bonding or the sex, why does that matter if it makes them happy and well adjusted?

 

[angellica]

Some people can't stand being that alone. They desire the comfort of another human being, in a way a friend can never, ever fulfill.

You seem to have a real easy time with faith and belief in God, I don't. We're different. You don't seem to care too much if you have a significant other in your life, I do. Different people want different things from life, and to some being single is unacceptable.

Then maybe they should get closer to God. We shouldn't be so dependent on another person to make us happy or to make life livable. We should love ourselves enough to be content in our situation.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Not if it means turning my back on God.

So your god always wins out over science, good to know.

 

[b&wpac4]

Then maybe they should get closer to God. We shouldn't be so dependent on another person to make us happy or to make life livable. We should love ourselves enough to be content in our situation.

Thank you for yet again failing to try to see another point of view. I'm at my 1,000 try limit. You simply don't want to, and that is your choice.

 

[angellica]

actually Jesus says this:

"One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important? The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

alot of people forget the first part of this. i care more about what Christ thinks of how i treat people than what other people do. like i said before, if someone is gay and a non-christian then really our only response can be love and prayer, in hopes of bringing them into relationship with Jesus (wether they are my child or not). if the person is a christian than it is our responsibility to try and bring them back into right relationship with him. alot of times that does mean "disassociation" form the family or whatever...not abandonment. love can still be shown without acceptance of their choices.

1 corin 5:11
"But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat."

Thank you !

 

[roflcopter101]

Then maybe they should get closer to God. We shouldn't be so dependent on another person to make us happy or to make life livable. We should love ourselves enough to be content in our situation.

Loving ourselves is separate from being close to god.
An atheist can love him/herself, correct?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

God's Word is right for everyone.

You honestly cannot believe that.

 

[angellica]

Yep, and that Christian counselor or friend will try to convince them that being gay is a choice and is wrong and that being heterosexual is the only right choice. That child will then either rebel immediately, or out of guilt and/or trying to please you and your god, they will repress their sexuality and try to make a go at being "normal." The end result is often the exact scenario I outlined earlier. I have heard the stories over, and over, and over again on how this happened to others.

I suppose they could also be like the father of a woman I met last year by chance in a bookstore while Christmas shopping, whom I found out I knew because he was in the same (very niche) occupation I am in; he was miserable his entire life, and confessed to his family on his deathbed that he was a closeted gay man and wished he had had the courage to come out early in his life. Sometimes I wonder if this isn't the reason my own father is so miserable.

Not everyone who is miserable is a closeted gay.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

There's no choice involved because I'm not dating anyone at the moment, but yes, it is nice not to be forced to have to marry if that's what you mean.

Do you ever actually read and then contemplate anything that is posted in response to you or are you so sure of your stances that we are wasting our time?

 

[angellica]

Thank you for yet again failing to try to see another point of view. I'm at my 1,000 try limit. You simply don't want to, and that is your choice.

I guess you simply don't want to either, and that is your choice.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Yeah, those things are a part of your lifestyle.

But what would you call that lifestyle, is there a name for it?

 

[angellica]

But what would you call that lifestyle, is there a name for it?

Work lifestyle or social lifestyle, I guess.

 

[JustMeSee]

I don't understand why it is so difficult to understand.
There is no problem with people being gay. The problem arises when they engage in homosexual sex.
Why can't gay people just have a non-sexual companion?
I don't even have a problem with them living together.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

I'd find a Christian friend or counselor or pastor to help me.

So again you would put the best interests of your child's mental health aside to go to someone that is not educated in the subject and can only operate on conjecture, here in CA that would get your child taken away from you.