What Would YOU Do If . . .?

[OphidiaPhile]

You have an opinion.

He has an opinion.

I have an opinion.

I have evidence and fact backing me up which neither of you have.

 

[roflcopter101]

For the last time, I would not kick out a virgin gay teen if he chose to get help or not to give in to his temptations and realize that it was a sin.

But this is in fact imposing your will on something that said teen may or may not have any control over being born with.
The issue here is that your choice of action has been demonstrated in many similar cases to have very unfortunate results to both you and said teen in the future.

 

[angellica]

So, if you had a son who came to you and said "Hey mom Im gay but a virgin" you would NOT kick them out?
Because you said contrariwise earlier.

Im NOT twisting your words. I never have. Ive used your posts to point out what appears to be a questionable moral code, that's all.


AND BY THE WAY, IS IT ALL "JESUS-LIKE" TO SCREAM AT PEOPLE IN PERSON OR ON THE INTERNET? ARE YOU THAT ANGRY THAT YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO YELL AT ME? SERIOUSLY, GET OVER YOUR SELF.



To wit, Im not angry at all, and my all caps was just to make you see what it's like


DO
YOU
FRACKING
GET
IT
NOW??!?!?!?

Or not?
You don't need to YELL at me to get your point across.
Do it again, and there might be a problem.

Well I am tired of explaining what I've already explained. How hard is it -
if they do not:

admit it is sin*
sincerely ask for forgiveness*
refuse to stop the sinful behavior*

*They may require professional help to learn to go through that process.

then they would have to leave, because I will not have that type of behavior going on - continually and unrepentedly and without remorse. Do you understand that?

 

[WatersMoon110]

I have never had a reason to think the Bible was incorrect. I would trust it over what the secular world wants it to mean.

Ah. Then I somewhat doubt that you have read the full Bible. Or else the reality that you living in is very different from the reality that I live in.

No, I trust what the Bible says and what Christianity is over what the secular non-Christian world personally feels.

So even evidence to the contrary wouldn't sway you? I mean, you aren't even willing to consider that your interpretations (or the interpretations of others that you believe/trust) might not be correct? That things in reality might be different from what you believe or want them to be?

I take it you aren't really into Philosophy, huh?

Also, the Bible tells us that we have to be a part of the world but not OF the world. We are to reject their sinful lifestyles while not hating them as people.

Obviously, we have different interpretations of what being "of the world" means. I think it is a reference to humans who follower their "baser instincts" if you will: hate, fear, greed, breeding without properly raising their kids, violence.

I take it that you believe that living openly as a gay person is "being of the world"?

We shouldn't assume the Bible is incorrect when it disagrees with our view of reality.

So, when I see a conflict between what the Bible says and what exists in reality - I am supposed to just trust the Bible and dismiss facts and evidence to the contrary?

 

[angellica]

But this is in fact imposing your will on something that said teen may or may not have any control over being born with.
The issue here is that your choice of action has been demonstrated in many similar cases to have very unfortunate results to both you and said teen in the future.

He has the choice to abstain from the sinful behavior or not to abstain.

 

[roflcopter101]

Their positions are based squarely on hysterical emotionalism in just about every case.

I disagree.
We tend to have "fact" and "science" and "reason", and our positions are based on the result of these things, while some of us think that some Christians cling too much to the word of their god, their bible.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Well I am tired of explaining what I've already explained. How hard is it -
if they do not:

admit it is sin*
sincerely ask for forgiveness*
refuse to stop the sinful behavior*

*They may require professional help to learn to go through that process.

then they would have to leave, because I will not have that type of behavior going on - continually and unrepentedly and without remorse. Do you understand that?

This is the problem, there is not a single REPUTABLE psychiatrist, psychologist or other counselor that is professional and will tell you or your child that being homosexual is unnatural or detrimental, in fact they would be more likely to tell you that you needed help.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

He has the choice to abstain from the sinful behavior or not to abstain.

And in the process you put his mental health at stake.

 

[roflcopter101]

He has the choice to abstain from the sinful behavior or not to abstain.

But this is just like left-handedness then.
Left-handed people were prosecuted and hated because they were born with more proficiency in their left hand, yet they had the choice to train themselves to become right-handed or ambidextrous.
Homosexuality is similar, since it may or may not be born with, but it is tied more intimately with the mind, and suppression of such a trait causes emotional damage in many cases, while left-handed reform-ees only have annoyances from time to time.

 

[angellica]

Ah. Then I somewhat doubt that you have read the full Bible. Or else the reality that you living in is very different from the reality that I live in.

So even evidence to the contrary wouldn't sway you? I mean, you aren't even willing to consider that your interpretations (or the interpretations of others that you believe/trust) might not be correct? That things in reality might be different from what you believe or want them to be?

I take it you aren't really into Philosophy, huh?

The interpretations that it is okay to have gay sex are biased on behalf of gay people. I have no reason to have a bias when I read the verses and when I read them, I see clearly that it is wrong.

Obviously, we have different interpretations of what being "of the world" means. I think it is a reference to humans who follower their "baser instincts" if you will: hate, fear, greed, breeding without properly raising their kids, violence.

I take it that you believe that living openly as a gay person is "being of the world"?

So, when I see a conflict between what the Bible says and what exists in reality - I am supposed to just trust the Bible and dismiss facts and evidence to the contrary?

Yes, 100%.

You said when it conflicts with your view (opinion) of reality that you assume the Bible is wrong. I assume that I am wrong and it is right.

 

[WatersMoon110]

Well I am tired of explaining what I've already explained. How hard is it -
if they do not:

admit it is sin*
sincerely ask for forgiveness*
[promise] to stop the sinful behavior*

*They may require professional help to learn to go through that process.

then they would have to leave, because I will not have that type of behavior going on - continually and unrepentedly and without remorse. Do you understand that?

You get 100 points for such a civil reply.

Would you also throw out a (mature) child of yours for being an atheist? Sorry if someone already asked this and I missed it. I'm just curious. I know you said you would also throw out an addict who refused treatment (and that is one of the few cases where I would consider throwing someone out of my house), but I was wondering if there were other things that you wouldn't put up with in your home.

 

[angellica]

And in the process you put his mental health at stake.

Abstaining from sexual behavior is putting his health at risk?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

But this is just like left-handedness then.
Left-handed people were prosecuted and hated because they were born with more proficiency in their left hand, yet they had the choice to train themselves to become right-handed or ambidextrous.
Homosexuality is similar, since it may or may not be born with, but it is tied more intimately with the mind, and suppression of such a trait causes emotional damage in many cases, while left-handed reform-ees only have annoyances from time to time.

Left-handedness does not carry with it the immorality of a sexually hedonistic lifestyle. In fact, left handed men are mentioned in the Bible with no condemnation attached to their sex lives.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Abstaining from sexual behavior is putting his health at risk?

I am really quite shocked that you find that humorous but yes it most certainly is.

 

[angellica]

You get 100 points for such a civil reply.

Would you also throw out a (mature) child of yours for being an atheist? Sorry if someone already asked this and I missed it. I'm just curious. I know you said you would also throw out an addict who refused treatment (and that is one of the few cases where I would consider throwing someone out of my house), but I was wondering if there were other things that you wouldn't put up with in your home.

Interesting question. I think that an I would rather them live with me so I could influence them and help them and be a good example to them so that maybe they would change their ways. The problem with the gay child and the addict child is that they are openly living in their sin. I'm not sure how and atheist child would do that. I'd be more inclined to think they just don't understand Christianity fully.

 

[angellica]

I am really quite shocked that you find that humorous but yes it most certainly is.

I would rather think that participating in sexual behavior puts your health at risk. Condoms aren't 100%.

 

[b&wpac4]

Interesting question. I think that an I would rather them live with me so I could influence them and help them and be a good example to them so that maybe they would change their ways. The problem with the gay child and the addict child is that they are openly living in their sin. I'm not sure how and atheist child would do that. I'd be more inclined to think they just don't understand Christianity fully.

I was a Christian. Had no doubt in my mind up until the day the cracks started to form. I'm pretty sure I understand it fully, I just don't believe it anymore.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Abstaining from sexual behavior is putting his health at risk?

Watch the comments to this.

The world and its ways. You can see why Peter and the other Disciples had to write what they did.

 

[Nihilismus]

What would YOU do if your son/daughter came to you and said, "Um (clears throat), mom/dad ...I'm 'gay'?

I would respond with:

"What the...how did you survive the coat-hanger?"

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Interesting question. I think that an I would rather them live with me so I could influence them and help them and be a good example to them so that maybe they would change their ways. The problem with the gay child and the addict child is that they are openly living in their sin. I'm not sure how and atheist child would do that. I'd be more inclined to think they just don't understand Christianity fully.

I am an atheist and as stated previously knew it from a young age. I always got in trouble in school for refusing to say "Under God" in the Pledge, refusing to go to church, telling ministers that God was a nonexistent myth and may other things. My mother then decided it was time to move back to CA, and told my father he could come if he wanted or he could stay in redneck hell, and I never had those problems again.