What Would YOU Do If . . .?

b&wpac4 · Dec 30, 2008

angellica said:
I guess you simply don't want to either, and that is your choice.

Don't throw this on me. I understand your point of view. The Bible says it is wrong, so it's wrong. It's a very easy point of view.

I don't understand why you feel this view needs to be forced upon others that do not believe in the Bible. You wouldn't like it if the Muslim point of view were forced upon your life, and Shia laws were adopted. You would more than likely rebel and fight against this.

But you are perfectly content for YOUR way of life and YOUR point of view to be forced. That is against the very fabric of a country that allows for freedom of religion stands for. That view is hypocritical at best.

OphidiaPhile · Dec 30, 2008

angellica said:
No, I don't believe we do.

So you know more that the American Psychiatric Association who have said it is a fact as well as the scientific community, what are your credentials in determining this?

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

b&wpac4 said:
Don't throw this on me. I understand your point of view. The Bible says it is wrong, so it's wrong. It's a very easy point of view.

I don't understand why you feel this view needs to be forced upon others that do not believe in the Bible. You wouldn't like it if the Muslim point of view were forced upon your life, and Shia laws were adopted. You would more than likely rebel and fight against this.

But you are perfectly content for YOUR way of life and YOUR point of view to be forced. That is against the very fabric of a country that allows for freedom of religion stands for. That view is hypocritical at best.

We are talking about our CHILDREN, which would be raised in a Christian home with Christian values.

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

OphidiaPhile said:
So again you would put the best interests of your child's mental health aside to go to someone that is not educated in the subject and can only operate on conjecture, here in CA that would get your child taken away from you.

No, I would do what is in the child's best interest. In this case, I think counseling or psychiatry/ology would be best.

b&wpac4 · Dec 30, 2008

angellica said:
We are talking about our CHILDREN, which would be raised in a Christian home with Christian values.

and yet again... a swing.. and a miss....

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

OphidiaPhile said:
So you know more that the American Psychiatric Association who have said it is a fact as well as the scientific community, what are your credentials in determining this?

I've never seen them say it was a fact. I've seen them say it might be, but never for sure, certain, 100%, etc.

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

b&wpac4 said:
and yet again... a swing.. and a miss....

I'm not stopping you from teaching your kids whatever you want to teach them..

OphidiaPhile · Dec 30, 2008

angellica said:
Then maybe they should get closer to God. We shouldn't be so dependent on another person to make us happy or to make life livable. We should love ourselves enough to be content in our situation.

There are many people that find the idea of god as foreign as you find the idea of no god. For me it is absolutely a ridiculous concept that anyone could possibly believe in a god, I was brought up Christian and knew from a very young age that it is illogical to me, you may well have a child that is the same way.

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

OphidiaPhile said:
There are many people that find the idea of god as foreign as you find the idea of no god. For me it is absolutely a ridiculous concept that anyone could possibly believe in a god, I was brought up Christian and knew from a very young age that it is illogical to me, you may well have a child that is the same way.

Well that would be very sad. I would never want my child to do that, but I guess that is their decision. But if they choose to openly live in defiance of God, they would not be allowed to live with me any longer (assuming they were old enough duh).

OphidiaPhile · Dec 30, 2008

angellica said:
No, I would do what is in the child's best interest. In this case, I think counseling or psychiatry/ology would be best.

And no reputable psychologist or psychiatrist would councle against homosexuality, you would have to find someone that is not accepted by the APA and that would be putting your child at risk.

geekgirlkelli · Dec 30, 2008

angellica said:
Not everyone who is miserable is a closeted gay.

I realize that. It was an afterthought relating to my own situation and notice I said "sometimes I wonder if," not "I am convinced." I tend to write much the way I speak, including little side thoughts.

How about addressing the real issue and point I was making instead of focusing on one little irrelevant statement?

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

OphidiaPhile said:
And no reputable psychologist or psychiatrist would councle against homosexuality, you would have to find someone that is not accepted by the APA and that would be putting your child at risk.

Wow, how have you managed to talk to every reputable psychologist or psychiatrist in the world, much less had time to ask their views on homosexuality.

roflcopter101 · Dec 30, 2008

Well that would be very sad. I would never want my child to do that, but I guess that is their decision. But if they choose to openly live in defiance of God, they would not be allowed to live with me any longer (assuming they were old enough duh).

So you would be making your child miserable over a debatable passage of a faith that your child may not even believe in?

OphidiaPhile · Dec 30, 2008

angellica said:
Well that would be very sad. I would never want my child to do that, but I guess that is their decision. But if they choose to openly live in defiance of God, they would not be allowed to live with me any longer (assuming they were old enough duh).

I was 8 when I told my parents, it was a non issue with my mother and my father tried to kill me.

OphidiaPhile · Dec 30, 2008

angellica said:
Wow, how have you managed to talk to every reputable psychologist or psychiatrist in the world, much less had time to ask their views on homosexuality.

The APA does not condone their members counseling against something they do not agree with.

JustMeSee · Dec 30, 2008

OphidiaPhile said:
I was 8 when I told my parents, it was a non issue with my mother and my father tried to kill me.

I am sorry to hear that you recieved such a reaction from your father.

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

geekgirlkelli said:
I realize that. It was an afterthought relating to my own situation and notice I said "sometimes I wonder if," not "I am convinced." I tend to write much the way I speak, including little side thoughts.

How about addressing the real issue and point I was making instead of focusing on one little irrelevant statement?

Well, you are stating what will happen to the kid but you make everything be as bad as possible. The child will hopefully see the error of their ways and come around to God. He will help them through anything, even that.

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

roflcopter101 said:
So you would be making your child miserable over a debatable passage of a faith that your child may not even believe in?

If you are a Christian and you read the Bible, it is not debatable. If they do not believe the Bible, they should at least respect my belief in it enough to not live in sin while living under my roof.

roflcopter101 · Dec 30, 2008

Wow, how have you managed to talk to every reputable psychologist or psychiatrist in the world, much less had time to ask their views on homosexuality.

Wikipedia says that "Clinical psychology includes the scientific study and application of psychology for the purpose of understanding, preventing, and relieving psychologically-based distress or dysfunction and to promote subjective well-being and personal development."
If the vast majority of forced closet-homosexuality has led to psychologically-based distress or dysfunction, why would a psychologist be endorsing such an imposition?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_psychology#cite_note-apa1-0

angellica · Dec 30, 2008

OphidiaPhile said:
The APA does not condone their members counseling against something they do not agree with.

Do they not allow it or they just don't condone it? I've never even seen where they say it is 100% true that homosexuality is genetic.

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