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You mean you didn't hear.......Faith is evidence of the things not seen. Icons do nothing to bring belief to others.
Young) John 20:29 Jesus saith to him, `Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed; happy those not having seen, and having believed
Most religions have "icons" but yet Christianity views them as "pagan" because of them, even though they also say it helps them "believe".I think they can be a useful tool, such as music, movies, tracts, etc have all been useful in spreading the message but they do not bring faith and should remain in proper perspective.
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Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
so would you say any of the Icons of Christ are accurate depictions? Matter for another thread, no doubt, just curious.I think you misunderstand EC's point. He was not saying that Icons are used as proof of Christ's Incarnation - like they can cause someone to believe in Christ. What he was trying to say is that *because* Christ became Man, we can portray Him and His Saints in "painted Scripture" (Icons), and that these things are wonderful at showing Scripture to those who could/can not read.
Mary
I doubt if that will convince the atheists.For those who so say "show me proof that God was really on earth" one brings an old icon.
That... was it.I think you misunderstand EC's point. He was not saying that Icons are used as proof of Christ's Incarnation - like they can cause someone to believe in Christ. What he was trying to say is that *because* Christ became Man, we can portray Him and His Saints in "painted Scripture" (Icons), and that these things are wonderful at showing Scripture to those who could/can not read.
Mary
Icons are ok. Statues are not. Statues are considered pagan.LittleLambofJesus said:Most religions have "icons" but yet Christianity views them as "pagan" because of them, even though they also say it helps them "believe".
I do understand why some people think they need those things.For those who so say "show me proof that God was really on earth" one brings an old icon.
The icon itself shows that yes, God was on the earth. Whenever Christ is depicted, the letters ICXC show above Him and in his halo are three Greek letters that are an acronym for "He Who Is" or something like that.
So really, when one asks about Orthodoxy (in the real 3-D non-Internet world) one is usually shown an icon at least fifteen trillion times.
I guess I am confused on what an "icon" actually is.Icons are ok. Statues are not. Statues are considered pagan.
Icons are typically written, not painted. Venerated, not worshiped. And usually mistaken for paintings.
the one I referred to earlier was an accurate depiction of the Mother of Christ -- and the apostles concurred that they looked very much alike.so would you say any of the Icons of Christ are accurate depictions? Matter for another thread, no doubt, just curious.
While I enjoy history, and such artifacts are a key to that enjoyment, we must be careful because of the dangers of idolotry and the no-no about making images.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 CorBut to be fair, I'm also against having crosses in the church or as jewlery for the same reasons.
The only thing dangerous here is your own self-appointed authority in interpreting Scripture and coming to these erroneous conclusions.This is not something I try to force on others, as I see it as an area of freedom....but I do caution, because the danger is very real.
Hi. Can you show me the Scriptures where they concurred on what she looked like?the one I referred to earlier was an accurate depiction of the Mother of Christ -- and the apostles concurred that they looked very much alike.
I do understand why some people think they need those things.
Remember, the Bible tells us that creation itself testifies and He wrote the law on our hearts...we are without excuse and really, we need to just look around to see proof.
the earlier post referred to tradition as did the second postHi. Can you show me the Scriptures where they concurred on what she looked like?
Actually I bought this book in the "bargain bin" for about 10 bucks and my wife and I actually enjoy it sometimes. Lots of nice pictures and the story told simply.
In fact, I would rather new Christians coming to Christ read a book like this first then start on a regular Bible.
http://www.amazon.com/Childrens-Illustrated-Bible-best-loved-Testaments/dp/0754810968
But of course.the earlier post referred to tradition as did the second post
The truth does offend some. I understand.Kind of like a crutch for us weaker brethren? Do you realize how offensive you are?
Then we should worship outdoors? What is your point? From the Church's perspective, icons lift our minds up to Heaven. White walls make this very difficult.
Love,
Christina
The truth does offend some. I understand.
So does reading more into peoples post and twisting what they say, but such is life.
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