What would it take for Orthodoxs to come under Pope

[HadessahRose]

East and West "officially" went their separate ways in 1054 AD, whereas John Calvin denied the papacy in the 1530's and Calvinism was born. You are much closer to Rome than the Orthodox.

Love,
Christina

I would rather be closer to Jesus!

 

[Oblio]

I would rather be closer to Jesus!

Then I suggest you head East

 

[HadessahRose]

Then I suggest you head East

Nope, quite happy where I am and in my walk with the Lord...thanks anyway.

 

[IamAdopted]

Maybe calvinism was born because people started to read the scriptures for themselves and God revealed truth through His written word. Taking out the human authority and going to the true Head of the Chrurch.

 

[Asinner]

Maybe calvinism was born because people started to read the scriptures for themselves and God revealed truth through His written word. Taking out the human authority and going to the true Head of the Chrurch.

There is much irony here.

Love,
Christina

 

[SeraphimSarov]

Maybe calvinism was born because people started to read the scriptures for themselves and God revealed truth through His written word. Taking out the human authority and going to the true Head of the Chrurch.

Wow.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Better food

[/seriousness]

If food were the criteria for choice of religion, I'd be Chinese Zen Bhuddist.

How was it forced upon another?

Did they put ashes on their head or what? How did that go down? Knives to throats? How does one force a conversion?

Convert, or die.

Knives to throats. Many refused to convert and became martyrs for the Orthodox faith.

Has that EVER happened the other way? Has there ever been people forced to convert to Eastern Orthodoxy? I'm not trying to find dirt, just curious.

Yup, it's a complicated thing.

Take it this way, we’ve drifted apart enough that Orthodox find more similarity between Protestants and RC’s then Orthodox and RC’s. While outer expression of faith might be very similar with RC and EO, we find an inner essence of the faith to be drastically different (not of the same faith). On the other side, we see that RC’s and Protestants, while they are not of the same faith too, are much closer in this inner essence of the faith.

nestoj
God helps

Hmmm. perhaps chronilogically, Prots are closer to RC than EO... but I wouldn't think we are closer theologically.

I know for certian, that I would sooner convert to EO than to RC!

 

[IamAdopted]

The word of God can transform Lives. For Gods word is alive and active.

 

[Thekla]

Maybe calvinism was born because people started to read the scriptures for themselves and God revealed truth through His written word. Taking out the human authority and going to the true Head of the Chrurch.

"Let us hear then, as many of us as neglect the reading of the scriptures, to what harm we are subjecting ourselves, to what poverty..."
St. John Chrysostom

this is an axcerpt from a homily (4th century)

The reading of the Bible has always been strongly encouraged in Orthodoxy -- and hearing, for those who are unable to read. As Orthodoxy spread, one of the first tasks was the translation of the Liturgy and Bible into the native language. Where no written language existed, an alphabet was created (Eastern Europe, Inuit in Alaska). The entire Psalms are customarily read (prayed) each week. The Liturgy is 90% plus quotes from the Bible. Even in times of great poverty, those who were able to read were admonished that a Bible and other godly books were to be purchased and read daily.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by IamAdopted Maybe calvinism was born because people started to read the scriptures for themselves and God revealed truth through His written word. Taking out the human authority and going to the true Head of the Chrurch.

Hmmm. perhaps chronilogically, Prots are closer to RC than EO... but I wouldn't think we are closer theologically.

I know for certian, that I would sooner convert to EO than to RC!

Btw, how do the Orthodox [and Protestants] view that "jewish man" in Zech 8:23? Thanks.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5800024-the-man-in-zech-823.html

http://www.scripture4all.org/

[ISA] Z@karyah 8:23 Thus sayeth YHWH-of Hosts: in-Days, the-those, which They-shall-take-fast/hold a-hem/wing, Ten Mortals/Men/0582 'enowsh, from-all Tongues-of the-Nations.
And-They-take-fast/hold in-hem-of/03671 kanaph a-Man/0376 'iysh, a-Y@huwdiy, to-say We-are-going with-You that We-hear Elohiym with-You.

Mark 6:56 And wheresoever He went into villages, or into cities, or into fields/hamlets in the marketplaces, they place the being sick and were beseeching Him that only the fringe/kraspedou <2899>of the garment of Him they may be touching, and as manysoever as touch of Him/it, were saved.

 

[Thekla]

, some Greek food is alright, but it is mostly just rip offs of Turkish and Middle Eastern food.

Uh-oh.... LOL

to lay this "myth" to rest, I recommend the following:
Regimen, (400 BC) -possibly authored by Hippocrates

the (culinary) writings of Archestratos (Greek, of Sicily) 350 BC

the culinary writings of Athenaeus (200 AD) which collects ancient recipies (the sources for this are no longer extant) which includes the early use of what is now Phyllo dough used for both meat dishes and nut sweets

 

[Oblio]

IIRC 'Italian' food came about when Rome carried off Greek cooks as slaves.

 

[E.C.]

Should the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church ever think of reuniting, a number of things would have to happen.


-Papal Supremacy and infallibility: gone.
-Filioque: gone.
-Novus Ordo: gone.
-Instruments in worship: gone.
-Priestly celibacy: gone.
-Immaculate Conception: gone.

-Rome reverting to the East: needed.
-Forgiveness for bits of violence between RCs and EOs (examples: former Yugoslavia, Poland, Ukraine, etc)
-(in my opinion) the Roman Pope becoming Orthodox and basically having the entire Roman Catholic Church would be needed.

But that's just me.

I believe that most Roman Catholics (and Protestants) only see reunification between Roman Catholics and Orthodox as such: Orthodox essentially becoming Eastern Rite Catholics under the pope.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Any view by Orthodoxs on my post # 70? Thanks.

 

[vanshan]

What we call the "Orthodox Church" was never subjugated beneath Rome, in fact, no other bishop rightfully should be--bishops are equal. Archbishops may lead regions, but they don't have authority over another bishop of a different region. If there are eve problems, a synod of bishops can concur to depose another who may be corrupt, but it cannot be done by any single bishop unilaterally. They lead, but don't rule over each other. Please study the collegial model of Church structure, which was the biblical model, as opposed to the innovation of a hierarchical model later invented by the Roman Catholic religion. Hierarchy may work in business, but not within Christ's one holy apostolic Church.

Basil

 

[SeraphimSarov]

IIRC 'Italian' food came about when Rome carried off Greek cooks as slaves.

Please.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi. Do the Othodoxs view this "jewish man" as Jesus? Thanks.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5690812-claims-for-mohammad-in-the-bible.html

[ISA] Z@karyah 8:23 Thus sayeth YHWH-of Hosts: in-Days, the-those, which They-shall-take-fast/hold a-hem/wing, Ten Mortals/Men/0582 'enowsh, from-all Tongues-of the-Nations.
And-They-take-fast/hold in-hem-of/03671 kanaph a-Man/0376 'iysh, a-Y@huwdiy, to-say We-are-going with-You that We-hear Elohiym with-You.

Mark 6:56 And wheresoever He went into villages, or into cities, or into fields/hamlets in the marketplaces, they place the being sick and were beseeching Him that only the fringe/kraspedou <2899>of the garment of Him they may be touching, and as manysoever as touch of Him/it, were saved.

 

[Thekla]

What we call the "Orthodox Church" was never subjugated beneath Rome, in fact, no other bishop rightfully should be--bishops are equal. Archbishops may lead regions, but they don't have authority over another bishop of a different region. If there are eve problems, a synod of bishops can concur to depose another who may be corrupt, but it cannot be done by any single bishop unilaterally. They lead, but don't rule over each other. Please study the collegial model of Church structure, which was the biblical model, as opposed to the innovation of a hierarchical model later invented by the Roman Catholic religion. Hierarchy may work in business, but not within Christ's one holy apostolic Church.

Basil

There are some (Orthodox) who ascribe the origin (innovation) of the hierarchical model to the insertion of the filoque into the Creed. Not only the method of insertion ( without convening an ecumenical council), but by introducing an "imbalanced" (hierarchical) understanding of the Trinity. In sum, right worship and right belief are inextricably linked;
as Oblio says, "Dogma matters."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There are some (Orthodox) who ascribe the origin (innovation) of the hierarchical model to the insertion of the filoque into the Creed. Not only the method of insertion ( without convening an ecumenical council), but by introducing an "imbalanced" (hierarchical) understanding of the Trinity. In sum, right worship and right belief are inextricably linked;
as Oblio says, "Dogma matters."

That is the difficulty we have when discussing our Bible to the "heathen" non-christians also.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5690812-claims-for-mohammad-in-the-bible.html

 

[Uphill Battle]

Should the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church ever think of reuniting, a number of things would have to happen.


-Papal Supremacy and infallibility: gone.

I don't think they even CAN drop that now, can they? Kind of painted into a corner, so to speak?

-Filioque: gone.

agreed on that point.

-Novus Ordo: gone.

what is that?

-Instruments in worship: gone.

musical instruments? or something else?

-Priestly celibacy: gone.

don't bishops have to be celibate in EO though? ( I remember seeing that ONE level of the heiarchy had to be, anyways.

-Immaculate Conception: gone.

it's been defined as infallible truth. They CAN'T back away from that one, I don't think.

I believe that most Roman Catholics (and Protestants) only see reunification between Roman Catholics and Orthodox as such: Orthodox essentially becoming Eastern Rite Catholics under the pope.

I certainly don't.