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Why? Did you think science says that someone made the BB happen?

False. It has to do with a fantasy world and make-believe past formulated from beliefs and misreading evidence.
The family of godless fables is related. Joined at the hip. Related in inspiration. Related in godlessness.

You just don't like evolution because if it's true it means your religion is a lie and you aren't going to be living forever or ruling anything, you'll just die and cease to be eventually like everything else.

That's where this anger is coming from.
 
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You just don't like evolution because if it's true it means your religion is a lie and you aren't going to be living forever or ruling anything, you'll just die and cease to be eventually like everything else.

That's where this anger is coming from.
Evolution is true. We observe it. Just as reproduction is true. God made us like that. As for the rest of the fable, relax. No one will ever find out it is true.
 
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We know His mind and what He said and wants and what He is like. That does not mean we are like Him now.
You said "Believers have the mind of Christ".
Please will you explain what you meant by that or withdraw that claim. Maybe you mis-spoke?
 
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Why? Did you think science says that someone made the BB happen?

False. It has to do with a fantasy world and make-believe past formulated from beliefs and misreading evidence.
The family of godless fables is related. Joined at the hip. Related in inspiration. Related in godlessness.
Dad, your credibility in denying evolution might increase if you show that you understand what the word actually means.
 
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Why? Did you think science says that someone made the BB happen?
Science makes no statement about it one way or the other.

False. It has to do with a fantasy world and make-believe past formulated from beliefs and misreading evidence.
What you call a "fantasy world" is made up of a number of unrelated scientific disciplines. You can call them "fantasies" if you want but lumping them all together and and calling them all the theory of evolution just makes your position seem ignorant and childish.
The family of godless fables is related. Joined at the hip. Related in inspiration. Related in godlessness.
I don't think you mean "godless," I think you just mean that they don't agree with your shallow reading of Genesis.
 
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You just don't like evolution because if it's true it means your religion is a lie and you aren't going to be living forever or ruling anything, you'll just die and cease to be eventually like everything else.

That's where this anger is coming from.
It's not even that. If evolution is true it doesn't even mean that his religion is harmed. All that is harmed is the feeling of superiority to other Christians that his Fundamentalist beliefs give him.
 
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Evolution is true. We observe it. Just as reproduction is true. God made us like that. As for the rest of the fable, relax. No one will ever find out it is true.

Well thank goodness that the intellectual honesty of scientists can let us ignore the obvious implications of evolution and believe in whatever we want.
 
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Evolution is true. We observe it. Just as reproduction is true. God made us like that. As for the rest of the fable, relax. No one will ever find out it is true.
Evolution is true, and the theory of evolution explains how it happens. Why do you have to make it any more difficult than that? Why keep adding strawmen to ToE?
 
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Evolution is true. We observe it. Just as reproduction is true. God made us like that. As for the rest of the fable, relax. No one will ever find out it is true.
What's this "rest of the fable"?
Are you saying that in-species evolution has happened, but no species had predecessors because they were all Created by God? Or someting like that?
 
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Dad, your credibility in denying evolution might increase if you show that you understand what the word actually means.
? Why would anyone deny evolution does occur today? Your credibility might improve if you did not try to use that to mean that the fable of the evolution of life. (that evolving is why all life exists and where we came from)
 
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Science makes no statement about it one way or the other.
The creation story of the BB itself is the statement!
What you call a "fantasy world" is made up of a number of unrelated scientific disciplines.

False. There is an underlying relation. Belief and godless methodology.
You can call them "fantasies" if you want but lumping them all together and and calling them all the theory of evolution just makes your position seem ignorant and childish.
Usually people talk about evolution and what they mean is how life on earth was not created directly by God as genesis states, but that little worms and whatnots evolved into man and all animals. Looking at that from the outside at a distance, one can see that it is a story about origins of life that is not inspired by God to say it mildly. We can also look at the stories about where the universe came from and see the same underlying methods and outcomes.

I don't think you mean "godless," I think you just mean that they don't agree with your shallow reading of Genesis.
I'll pass on that one in this forum, as there is a hypersensitivity among some mods on the issue.
 
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Well thank goodness that the intellectual honesty of scientists can let us ignore the obvious implications of evolution and believe in whatever we want.
Not sure Goodness is what people running from truth should thank. But whatever.
 
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Evolution is true, and the theory of evolution explains how it happens.

If you mean that evolving does happen today, sure I can say that is true. The fable of evolution (theory) is nothing more than an attempt to use that fact of life, and credit it and it alone for all life on earth including, and especially man. In that pursuit, they have interpreted evidence accordingly.
 
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What's this "rest of the fable"?
Anything more than the observation of current evolving today, in this nature.

Are you saying that in-species evolution has happened, but no species had predecessors because they were all Created by God? Or someting like that?

I do not really care about in or out species evolving. All evolving that ever went on started with created kinds.
 
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If you mean that evolving does happen today, sure I can say that is true. The fable of evolution (theory) is nothing more than an attempt to use that fact of life, and credit it and it alone for all life on earth including, and especially man. In that pursuit, they have interpreted evidence accordingly.
What's with the strawman? ToE explains how change happens. That's all it does. There is no end goal of explaining why a particular lifeform exists.
 
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What's with the strawman? ToE explains how change happens.
Hey maybe a medicine man might explain where we came from also. Maybe a lot of religions do that too. The issue is not whether someone can use beliefs to come up with some so-called explanation.


That's all it does.
No. That is not all it does. It offers itself as science and fact.
There is no end goal of explaining why a particular lifeform exists.
The problem is not in any particular lifeform. The problem is that they say evoutiondunnit rather than creation for all life.
 
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Hey maybe a medicine man might explain where we came from also. Maybe a lot of religions do that too. The issue is not whether someone can use beliefs to come up with some so-called explanation.
Special pleading. All you do is "use beliefs to come up with some so-called explanation", but you want to claim your argument is not subject to that same restriction.
No. That is not all it does. It offers itself as science and fact.
No, it really doesn't. That's yet another of your strawmen.
The problem is not in any particular lifeform. The problem is that they say evoutiondunnit rather than creation for all life.
And here you want to eat your cake and still have it. You want creation to have brought about all life, but at the same time you pretend to accept evolution. The bad news for you is that it doesn't work like that - you cannot reasonably espouse mutually contradictory explanations for the same thing without some incredible denial and mental gymnastics.
 
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Special pleading. All you do is "use beliefs to come up with some so-called explanation", but you want to claim your argument is not subject to that same restriction.
Nothing special about picking one belief or another from a pile of beliefs. What would be special is if you had any proof or evidence.

And here you want to eat your cake and still have it. You want creation to have brought about all life, but at the same time you pretend to accept evolution.
Have you some reason that creation would not result is creatures with adaptive ability? You just want to run wild with godless speculation using that ability and credit IT with creation!

The bad news for you is that it doesn't work like that - you cannot reasonably espouse mutually contradictory explanations for the same thing without some incredible denial and mental gymnastics.
Good news for me, not your position. It is reasonable to assume that God created us with the ability to adapt to the various things we would encounter when doing what He commanded. Namely, to fill to multiply and fill the world. How could a fish do that if some areas were land and water? How could man live in sunny places unless his skin could adapt..etc?
 
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Nothing special about picking one belief or another from a pile of beliefs. What would be special is if you had any proof or evidence.

Have you some reason that creation would not result is creatures with adaptive ability? You just want to run wild with godless speculation using that ability and credit IT with creation!

Good news for me, not your position. It is reasonable to assume that God created us with the ability to adapt to the various things we would encounter when doing what He commanded. Namely, to fill to multiply and fill the world. How could a fish do that if some areas were land and water? How could man live in sunny places unless his skin could adapt..etc?
Don't you ever get bored spouting the same nonsense, post after post, thread after thread when, in every thread, you are shown how erroneous your claims are?

Dad, you're wrong as usual. Defeated again. Move on to the next thread and start it all again.
 
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Don't you ever get bored spouting the same nonsense, post after post, thread after thread when, in every thread, you are shown how erroneous your claims are?

Dad, you're wrong as usual. Defeated again. Move on to the next thread and start it all again.
Banana relatives have no basis anywhere in the land of the living.
 
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