What Will It Take?

[Rab Tull]

"As day by day America’s shame blazes across the television sets of the world, and we craft a multi-generational bloodbath to bequeath our children, I have a question for my evangelical Christian brothers and sisters: What will it take for us to come to our senses regarding our long gruesome trail of wreckage in Iraq?"

John Dwyer article here

Grace & Peace, Rab

 

[UberLutheran]

"As day by day America’s shame blazes across the television sets of the world, and we craft a multi-generational bloodbath to bequeath our children, I have a question for my evangelical Christian brothers and sisters: What will it take for us to come to our senses regarding our long gruesome trail of wreckage in Iraq?"

John Dwyer article here

Grace & Peace, Rab

...when he was letting a decadent (and alternately hyper-judgmental) Jerusalem know what was coming as a result of its behavior.

I know that if I were an Iraqi, and I were seeing pictures of what has gone on in Al Gharib Prison at the hands of the American "liberators", I'd be livid.

 

[renegade pariah]

[font=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"When you see a child five years old with no head what can you say?" asks one doctor in Fallujah. "When you see a child with no brain, just an open cavity, what can you say? When you see a mother just hold her infant with no head and the shells are all over her body."[/font]
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[font=Times New Roman, Times, serif]What will it take, fellow Christian?[/font]
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[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Yup and it would have been better to let Saddam keep dropping people into plastic shredders, dipping them in acid, having women raped in front of their husbands, and all sorts of things. At least this way the tragedy stops eventually.

 

[Western Deity]

America put Saddam there, and they funded his activities...

 

[oldrooster]

And we rectified that mistake, it was however justified at the time.....

 

[Mr.Pious]

Yup and it would have been better to let Saddam keep dropping people into plastic shredders, dipping them in acid, having women raped in front of their husbands, and all sorts of things. At least this way the tragedy stops eventually.

It would have been beter to wait for the iraqi's to rebel...

 

[renegade pariah]

.....it would have been better to not rush the invasion or deploy unseasoned troops to handle complex issues. It would be better if soldiers had a determined warrior spirit that regards the innocent, rather than reactive training to fire first and ask questions later.

 

[Existential1]

Yup and it would have been better to let Saddam keep dropping people into plastic shredders, dipping them in acid, having women raped in front of their husbands, and all sorts of things. At least this way the tragedy stops eventually.

I think that the fear, now buttressed by the mounting evidence of events, was that all this would begin and continue tragedy, rather than end it.

The whole world wished SH gone, but by legal and consensual process. By jumping the gun on legality, the freelance bucaneers of the coalition, have put everything at risk: Iraq, law, world peace, even Christianity.

None of this adventure can ever be justified and redeemed in the evil of SH.
Added evil only adds to existing evil, it never diminishes it.
Only truth redeems, and we have never had that on our side in this.

 

[SDSUMarcus01]

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[seebs]

I think that there's a certain amount of fallacy of the excluded middle here. It is not clear whether the only possible options were "this war just as we're doing it now" and "Saddam in power without any checks or hindrances". I suspect there were other options, which we might have preferred.

 

[Real Corona]

It would have been beter to wait for the iraqi's to rebel...

Haha, they tried that.

 

[marshlewis]

I think that there's a certain amount of fallacy of the excluded middle here. It is not clear whether the only possible options were "this war just as we're doing it now" and "Saddam in power without any checks or hindrances". I suspect there were other options, which we might have preferred.

Have you noticed that in the last few years the US has become totally incapable of understanding issues other than in black vs white terms. This is being exploited by the powers that be to garantee that almost any position taken by government or bussiness can only be discussed in this deulisim.

As a result of this it has been possible to drum up about 50% support for Bush. This is incredible. Nowhere else on the planet could a government lie, stonewall and break international law while insulting and threatening close allies, and then still be able to manipulate the public oppinion to a 50-50 split. Whats truly amazing is that Bush is campaigning on the issue of national security. I think it may be true that americans dont understand Irony.

 

[Real Corona]

Are you American or other?

 

[Rab Tull]

At least this way the tragedy stops eventually.

I pray you are right on this.

Grace & Peace, Rab

 

[Existential1]

Exactly the same sad, ironic circumstance holds on this side of the Atlantic too.
TB has done all that GWB has: perhaps with more subtlety; but none the less as definitely.

There is a dark perspective in these tragic ironies: that still remains to be drawn; or, I at least have still to take the full measure of this dark perspective.

Have you noticed that in the last few years the US has become totally incapable of understanding issues other than in black vs white terms. This is being exploited by the powers that be to garantee that almost any position taken by government or bussiness can only be discussed in this deulisim.

As a result of this it has been possible to drum up about 50% support for Bush. This is incredible. Nowhere else on the planet could a government lie, stonewall and break international law while insulting and threatening close allies, and then still be able to manipulate the public oppinion to a 50-50 split. Whats truly amazing is that Bush is campaigning on the issue of national security. I think it may be true that americans dont understand Irony.

 

[UberLutheran]

Yup and it would have been better to let Saddam keep dropping people into plastic shredders, dipping them in acid, having women raped in front of their husbands, and all sorts of things. At least this way the tragedy stops eventually.

When America does something like this, God honors it because we're a Christian country and He favors us.

When Iraq does something like this, God is punishing them because they're a Muslim country and God hates them.

Uhmmm -- I think I'm going to stick with my analogy to the prophet Jeremiah.

 

[marshlewis]

Are you American or other?

I am other. New zealand.

 

[Existential1]

I am other. New zealand.

So, I'm 3 oclock in the afternoon.

What time are you?

 

[marshlewis]

So, I'm 3 oclock in the afternoon.

What time are you?

Its 12:30AM in melbourn australia. Bedtime.