What value is Homosexuality to society?

Polycarp1 · Oct 14, 2009

LittleNipper said:
Gay marriage isn't honest. It is fake and exists only to spite conservatives and make a statement. Over 200 years ago, people were marrying American Indians, so what you are saying is wrong. The main issue with whites marrying blacks is that of the real possibility of pigment skin blotching of the children and that was a concern.

we've been at odds before. So I am going to ask you to take the following, which technically violates the rules, at face value, not as intentional insult but as a hypothetical set up as a way of bringing home the Golden Rule to you:

What if I were (contrary to the rules) to insist that you were trolling, that you were not really a Christian but a secular gay-hater 'playing Christian' to use the Biblical injunctions to condemn gay people? That you didn't really mean any of what you said, but were just faking it out of hatred for gays?

I'm virtually certain you would find such comments extremely insulting and offensive, and report me for making them.

Now remember that the Golden Rule is Christ's own Commandment. "It's not just a good idea -- it's the Law," so to speak. Can you see how your statement above is something that would be as insulting to someone who sincerely means the commitment he makes to the person he loves -- whether or not you believe that love is sinful -- as the ones I described above would be to you?

And understanding that, do you realize what your Christian duty must be?

LittleNipper · Oct 14, 2009

The Lady Kate said:
American Independence existed only to spite George III.

Only in certain states...

U.S States, by the date of repeal of anti-miscegenation laws:
Grey = No laws passed
Green = Before 1887
Yellow = 1948 to 1967
Red = 12 June 1967 (After SCOTUS decided Loving v. Virginia)

So what you're saying is wrong.

Funny, but when Seaborn Rodenberry (D-GA) proposed an anti-interracial marriage amendment in 1912, he never bothered to mention that. Instead, he said,

So what you're saying is wrong... again.

No, it The United States exists because of GOD.

The Lady Kate · Oct 14, 2009

LittleNipper said:
No, it The United States exists because of GOD.

And gay marriage exists becuase of THE UNITED STATES.

Full circle?

LittleNipper · Oct 14, 2009

Polycarp1 said:
we've been at odds before. So I am going to ask you to take the following, which technically violates the rules, at face value, not as intentional insult but as a hypothetical set up as a way of bringing home the Golden Rule to you:

What if I were (contrary to the rules) to insist that you were trolling, that you were not really a Christian but a secular gay-hater 'playing Christian' to use the Biblical injunctions to condemn gay people? That you didn't really mean any of what you said, but were just faking it out of hatred for gays?

I'm virtually certain you would find such comments extremely insulting and offensive, and report me for making them.

Now remember that the Golden Rule is Christ's own Commandment. "It's not just a good idea -- it's the Law," so to speak. Can you see how your statement above is something that would be as insulting to someone who sincerely means the commitment he makes to the person he loves -- whether or not you believe that love is sinful -- as the ones I described above would be to you?

And understanding that, do you realize what your Christian duty must be?

Not at all. You'd be wrong. <staff edit>

Zaac · Oct 14, 2009

LittleNipper said:
Not at all. You'd be wrong. <staff edit>

The Lady Kate · Oct 14, 2009

LittleNipper said:
Not at all. You'd be wrong. <staff edit>

So Christ's Commandment means nothing to you... good to know.

LittleNipper · Oct 14, 2009

The Lady Kate said:
And gay marriage exists becuase of THE UNITED STATES.

Full circle?

No, gay marriage exists because of the liberal agenda. Much of that began in Europe well over 100 years ago. Many good people moved to America trying to get away from the powdered wig pretentious hypocrisy of the likes of Louis the XIV and XV vanities. You think you want a "gay" society. Imagine living in any city in Europe in the 17th and 18th century --- with all its posh frills, ruffles, ribbons, fake beauty marks, and lace.

I don't ever want our society to become so sexually decadent. All the pretention can stay in the closet.

Mobiosity · Oct 14, 2009

The Lady Kate said:
And gay marriage exists becuase of THE UNITED STATES.

Full circle?

Nope, gay marriage is not yet a national phenomena. I suppose it could be found throughout other countries, but it's only spotty here. Gays shouldn't be able to marry. Civil unions are fine, but marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman, according to The Holy Bible. Being homosexual isn't a sin, acting on your impulses is.

David Brider · Oct 14, 2009

LittleNipper said:
Homosexual men and women choose to have sex with the same sex.

Some choose to have sex. Some choose not to. Some don't have any choice about not having sex.

But they don't choose their sexual orientation.

David.

Mobiosity · Oct 14, 2009

LittleNipper said:
Gay marriage isn't honest. It is fake and exists only to spite conservatives and make a statement. Over 200 years ago, people were marrying American Indians, so what you are saying is wrong. The main issue with whites marrying blacks is that of the real possibility of pigment skin blotching of the children and that was a concern.

Blotchy skin is a condition that is independent of race. It is not increased in children of mixed race. I am the product of a mixed race marriage and the only "blotches" I have a freckles and the occasional age spot.

The Lady Kate · Oct 14, 2009

LittleNipper said:
If it doesn't have anything to offer, perhaps that is enough to make that lifestyle invalid ---- even presumptuous...

Is a person's usefullness to society the basis on which we judge their "validity"... even their right to exist?

What value do you offer to society, LittleNipper?

Mobiosity · Oct 14, 2009

ArgentBear said:
shinny mirror

very shinny mirror

shinny shinny mirror

Please use a dictionary. Shinny is something you do up a pole. It has to do with the front of your lower leg. Shiny is an adjective which a mirror would ideally have attributed to it.

David Brider · Oct 14, 2009

LittleNipper said:
Gay marriage isn't honest. It is fake and exists only to spite conservatives and make a statement.

Gay marriage (or more accurately same-gender marriage) is as real as opposite-gender marriage, and exists for much the same reasons - that two people meet and fall in love and choose to make a commitment to spending the rest of their lives together.

I'm terribly sorry that you feel that you're being spited by the fact that two people of the same gender are allowed to get married. Because that's not why they get married - that's an unfortunate side-effect.

David.

Belk · Oct 14, 2009

LittleNipper said:
No one is telling a homosexual man that he cannot marry some nice lady and have children and all the benefits that go with same (becoming a daddy/father and a loving husband.

A single person doesn't get social benefits of marriage --- nor does such aan individual expect any ----------YET. People would say such a person (should such complain) has only himself to blame.

If a man decides to lay naked on the beach on a sunny day, he cannot blame others for his severe case of sunburn and expect not the suffer on his own account.

The choices are out there for everyone. And every choice has its good and bad points. The homosexuals need to get over their whinning and grow up ----- accept the responsibilities for their own lot in life. They can always rethink their choices.

PS> The homosexual guy can always find himself a lady with a mustache, hairy legs and bad breath. Just think of the possibilities!

Or they could work to change things. Which is what they are doing. Don't like it? Feel free to follow your own advice, man up, and stop whining as if it is a personal affront to you.

sidhe · Oct 14, 2009

Mobiosity said:
Please use a dictionary. Shinny is something you do up a pole. It has to do with the front of your lower leg. Shiny is an adjective which a mirror would ideally have attributed to it.

You "shimmy" up a pole, not "shinny". "Shinny" isn't a word at all. "Shiny" is, as in "Sidhe is easily distracted by shiny...oh, platinum ring..."

David Brider · Oct 14, 2009

LittleNipper said:
If it doesn't have anything to offer, perhaps that is enough to make that lifestyle invalid ---- even presumptuous...

Homosexuality isn't a lifestyle. It's a sexual orientation. Whether you regard it as a valid orientation is kind of moot - people are, and will continually to be homosexual, just as people will continue to be heterosexual, and people will continue to be bisexual, and people will continue to be pansexual, and people will continue to be asexual.

Does it matter what homosexuality has to offer society?

David.

Skaloop · Oct 14, 2009

sidhe said:
You "shimmy" up a pole, not "shinny". "Shinny" isn't a word at all. "Shiny" is, as in "Sidhe is easily distracted by shiny...oh, platinum ring..."

Shinny is indeed a word! It's a game of street hockey (or, really, any other informal game of hockey).

Mobiosity · Oct 14, 2009

ArgentBear said:
you just answered your own question. Gays and lesbians form families just like heterosexuals do and families, no matter what their structure and have intrinsic value

Now that we are agreeing we are talking about familiesTo return to the post you ignored and tried to sidetrack here:
The best family unit is one built on love and dedication to other family members.
And that describes a whole array of families

But perhaps you have actual legitimate research showing that kids raised by same gendered parents are deficient in some way (everything I have read shows that children raised by same sex parents are happy, healthy and well adjusted)if you know of studies showing otherwise why not share that research with all of us?

Their adjustment is very much dependent on the relationship between the parents, (is it respectful, and loving) therefore making the child feel secure. And if there is a role model of the sex opposite to their parents to show them how to be that sex or how to judge the quality of a person of that sex.

Mobiosity · Oct 14, 2009

sidhe said:
You "shimmy" up a pole, not "shinny". "Shinny" isn't a word at all. "Shiny" is, as in "Sidhe is easily distracted by shiny...oh, platinum ring..."

Shimmy is a dance.

levi501 · Oct 14, 2009

Fail OP is Fail.

LittleNipper said:
It would seem most obvious that proper heterosexality (married couple/husband & wife) provides the nucleus for a self-sufficent family unit ---- father/mother ----- grandfather/grandmother.

It isn't obvious nor is it correct.
False assertion rejected.

LittleNipper said:
This would be the most uncomplicated family unit and the most convenient for the raising of future citizens.

False assertion rejected.

LittleNipper said:
But what does homosexuality provide for society.

Freedom and happiness for those that desire it.

LittleNipper said:
Clearly, one doesn't have to be a homosexual in order to be a great actor or musician, anymore that one needs to be married in order to be a great athelete.

uh ok... but this supports nothing.

LittleNipper said:
So again heterosexuality does play an important role in the establishment of family and community, but what does homosexuality provide specifically.

You have offered no support for this claim.
Rejected.

LittleNipper said:
If it doesn't have anything to offer, perhaps that is enough to make that lifestyle invalid ---- even presumptuous...

You have offered no support for this claim.
Rejected.

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