What value is Homosexuality to society?

[LittleNipper]

But this thread isn't about what God says. It's about the impact of homosexuality on society. The OP suggests that there is no value in it. Others have pointed out that there is. I am pointing out that even if that weren't the case, things re not judged by their value to society, but rather their lack of harm.

Homosexuality harms nobody. If you want to consider it a sin, go ahead. If you don't want to do it, don't. But you have no place to tell others not to do it if they so desire.

In fact, I might suggest that your attitude towards homosexuals is far more harmful to society than is homosexuality itself. And he same goes for the OP.

Homosexual activity has been shown to be inferior to heterosexual marital relationships, both in extablishment of a procreated family, to physical damage inflicted by misuse of body parts, to the serious spread of diseases due to liberal attitudes established with concern to sexual prowess.

 

[ArgentBear]

Homosexual sex CANNOT create a babies. Without babies there can be no family unit.

You know our boys deny that they are babies

“Dad! I am NOT a baby!!!”

And they deny it quite loudly.

Since they aren’t babies and thanks to a vasectomy we wont be making any more babies….does this mean we aren’t a family?

 

[Belk]

Just because people rip something from the Bible out of context to say something doesn't mean support for that something is in the Bible.

But that is the crux of the issue, is it not? No one can seem to agree on exactly what the bible does say.

 

[Zebra1552]

Homosexual activity has been shown to be inferior to heterosexual marital relationships, both in extablishment of a procreated family, to physical damage inflicted by misuse of body parts, to the serious spread of diseases due to liberal attitudes established with concern to sexual prowess.

Firstly, I'd like to see you address the questions I posed to you earlier. Secondly, I'd like to see evidence and citations that back your claims.

 

[ArgentBear]

In fact, I might suggest that your attitude towards homosexuals is far more harmful to society than is homosexuality itself. And he same goes for the OP.

Agreed.
Prejudice is one of the most damaging things I can think of

 

[Zebra1552]

But that is the crux of the issue, is it not? No one can seem to agree on exactly what the bible does say.

Because they can't bother to take context, language, and culture into account when they read it or study it. Instead, they have to use it to back whatever they want it to. They look for things to back their opinion rather than the other way around. Just because there is disagreement doesn't mean the Bible has a problem, just like guns don't kill people. You're not going to blame a gun for killing someone, you're going to blame the guy pulling the trigger.

 

[IzzyPop]

Homosexual activity has been shown to be inferior to heterosexual marital relationships, both in extablishment of a procreated family,

Once again, are parents that adopt children making a family?

to physical damage inflicted by misuse of body parts,

Huh? So only homosexual couples have anal sex? How does that effect lesbians? Given that vaginal penetration by a penis can lead to various health related issues, does that make lesbians God's chosen?

to the serious spread of diseases due to liberal attitudes established with concern to sexual prowess.

Huh? My concerns about my bedroom skillz can lead to disease?

 

[ArgentBear]

I'm saying that God's word evidences that He will allow folks to believe whatever lie they want. You might love someone with what you think is love. But if God, the One Who is Love , is not at the center, you're confusing your brand of love with what He says is Love.

There is a difference between loving someone and being IN LOVE with them.

Are you saying that gays and lesbians are incapable of love?

 

[Belk]

Because they can't bother to take context, language, and culture into account when they read it or study it. Instead, they have to use it to back whatever they want it to. They look for things to back their opinion rather than the other way around. Just because there is disagreement doesn't mean the Bible has a problem, just like guns don't kill people. You're not going to blame a gun for killing someone, you're going to blame the guy pulling the trigger.

I disagree, but it is off topic. We shall have to continue on some other day.

 

[ArgentBear]

Just because people rip something from the Bible out of context to say something doesn't mean support for that something is in the Bible.

Are you saying that gays and lesbians are incapable of love?

 

[Zaac]

Then why do you label homosexuality a sin earlier?


"I'm not denigrating anyone. I just refer to as sin those things that God refers to as sin."

Please show me anywhere in this thread where I have referred to homosexuality-the orientation---as a sin and I will correct it. As I said, I make it a point to distinguish between homosexuality and homosexual acts. But I may have missed it.

 

[Zaac]

I see. So what is the definition of God centered love and how does it differ from normal everyday love?

God centered Love is centered around HIM for He is Love. That's why marriage is a covenant between HIM a husband and a wife.

8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4:8

This type of Agape love is from God and of God. It should not be confused with familial or brotherly love nor sexual or romantic love. There is a BIG difference.

So you're capable of loving just fine. But to be in love demands that God be at the center.

 

[Zaac]

Are you saying that gays and lesbians are incapable of love?

Nope. Gays and lesbians are capable of loving just like everybody else. But Biblically speaking, to be in love demands that you be in Christ, the One Who is Love. That Agape love is not the same as the love to which a lot of folks in here are referring.

 

[ArgentBear]

Again you are demonstrating an errant understanding of Levitical law as opposed to the COMPLETED LAW brought by Jesus.

Read the first post in this thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7407876/

God’s commands are God’s commands. All you are doing is cherry picking commands you would prefer to ignore and cherry picking commands you want to use to attack others

 

[Skaloop]

Homosexual activity has been shown to be inferior to heterosexual marital relationships, both in extablishment of a procreated family, to physical damage inflicted by misuse of body parts, to the serious spread of diseases due to liberal attitudes established with concern to sexual prowess.

But again, we are not necessarily talking about marriage in this thread. It's about homosexuality in general.

The rest is unfounded rhetoric.

 

[Zebra1552]

Are you saying that gays and lesbians are incapable of love?

You're quoting the wrong person to ask that question.

 

[Skaloop]

Please show me anywhere in this thread where I have referred to homosexuality-the orientation---as a sin and I will correct it. As I said, I make it a point to distinguish between homosexuality and homosexual acts. But I may have missed it.

So where's the harm in homosexuality? You earlier cited false information about misuse of body parts and the spread of disease; those would be confined to acts, not orientation.

 

[LittleNipper]

You know our boys deny that they are babies

“Dad! I am NOT a baby!!!”

And they deny it quite loudly.

Since they aren’t babies and thanks to a vasectomy we wont be making any more babies….does this mean we aren’t a family?

Our son is now 13 and even if he were 50, he's still be my little boy and his mother's baby. And once a couple has procreated, they have established a family unit...

 

[Zebra1552]

Please show me anywhere in this thread where I have referred to homosexuality-the orientation---as a sin and I will correct it. As I said, I make it a point to distinguish between homosexuality and homosexual acts. But I may have missed it.

All this time you've said 'it' is a sin, without defining what 'it' is. Not a good idea.

 

[Zebra1552]

God’s commands are God’s commands. All you are doing is cherry picking commands you would prefer to ignore and cherry picking commands you want to use to attack others

When in doubt, accuse people of cherrypicking. You didn't address what he said at all.