What value is Homosexuality to society?

[Zaac]

you just answered your own question. Gays and lesbians form families just like heterosexuals do and families, no matter what their structure and have intrinsic value

Now that we are agreeing we are talking about families…To return to the post you ignored and tried to sidetrack here:

The best family unit is one built on love and dedication to other family members.

And that describes a whole array of families


But perhaps you have actual legitimate research showing that kids raised by same gendered parents are deficient in some way (everything I have read shows that children raised by same sex parents are happy, healthy and well adjusted)…if you know of studies showing otherwise why not share that research with all of us?

Now why is it that everybody wants to talk about love but nobody ever acknowledges that God is that Love?

Can you build a family in GOD/LOVE while the core of your family is in disobedience to Him?

 

[Zaac]

So you are saying it is OK to denigrate SOME minorities by comparing them to criminals but not ALL minorities.
Please explain why you don’t want to compare black people to liars and adulterers and so on?

Because God's word doesn't say that skin color is a sin.

I'm not denigrating anyone. I just refer to as sin those things that God refers to as sin.

 

[Zebra1552]

Because God's word doesn't say that skin color is a sin.

I'm not denigrating anyone. I just refer to as sin those things that God refers to as sin.

Where does God refer to homosexuality- the orientation- as a sin?

 

[Belk]

Now why is it that everybody wants to talk about love but nobody ever acknowledges that God is that Love?

Can you build a family in GOD/LOVE while the core of your family is in disobedience to Him?

So, you are saying that if I don't follow the commands of God (at least in your interpretation of them) I can not feel love?

 

[LittleNipper]

you just answered your own question. Gays and lesbians form families just like heterosexuals do and families, no matter what their structure and have intrinsic value

Now that we are agreeing we are talking about families…To return to the post you ignored and tried to sidetrack here:
The best family unit is one built on love and dedication to other family members.
And that describes a whole array of families


But perhaps you have actual legitimate research showing that kids raised by same gendered parents are deficient in some way (everything I have read shows that children raised by same sex parents are happy, healthy and well adjusted)…if you know of studies showing otherwise why not share that research with all of us?

Homosexual sex CANNOT create a babies. Without babies there can be no family unit.

 

[Skaloop]

There's that same old errant excuse again that says that the majority don't understand what sin is.

Sin is sin because of it's relationship to a HOLY GOD NOT because of it's relationship to whether or not it hurts another human being.

God is HOLY. Homosexual sex goes against what He commands in His Holiness.

Sin is sin because it is against HIM not against another human.

But this thread isn't about what God says. It's about the impact of homosexuality on society. The OP suggests that there is no value in it. Others have pointed out that there is. I am pointing out that even if that weren't the case, things re not judged by their value to society, but rather their lack of harm.

Homosexuality harms nobody. If you want to consider it a sin, go ahead. If you don't want to do it, don't. But you have no place to tell others not to do it if they so desire.

In fact, I might suggest that your attitude towards homosexuals is far more harmful to society than is homosexuality itself. And he same goes for the OP.

 

[Zaac]

Where does God refer to homosexuality- the orientation- as a sin?

He does not. ANd I try to make clear in as many posts as possible that God has NEVER said that an orientation is sinful. If so, then being a heterosexual is equally sinful.

He speaks to specific ACTS. And homosexual sex acts are pointed out as being against what He commands as are some heterosexual sex acts.

 

[LittleNipper]

So, you are saying that if I don't follow the commands of God (at least in your interpretation of them) I can not feel love?

The proof would be not being able to love without performing sexual acts. That isn't open to interpretation.

 

[Skaloop]

Homosexual sex CANNOT create a babies. Without babies there can be no family unit.

Nor can sex between a man who had a vasectomy and a woman who had a hysterectomy. Do you have a problem with them?

 

[ArgentBear]

There's that same old errant excuse again that says that the majority don't understand what sin is.

Sin is sin because of it's relationship to a HOLY GOD NOT because of it's relationship to whether or not it hurts another human being.

God is HOLY. Homosexual sex goes against what He commands in His Holiness.

Sin is sin because it is against HIM not against another human.

Just like God commands us to not wear clothes made of two different fabrics
Just like God commands us to keep slaves
Just like God commands us to kill psychics
Just like God commands us to not shave
Just as God commands us to forcibly impregnate a widowed sister in law

 

[Zaac]

So, you are saying that if I don't follow the commands of God (at least in your interpretation of them) I can not feel love?

I'm saying that God's word evidences that He will allow folks to believe whatever lie they want. You might love someone with what you think is love. But if God, the One Who is Love , is not at the center, you're confusing your brand of love with what He says is Love.

There is a difference between loving someone and being IN LOVE with them.

 

[Zebra1552]

He does not. ANd I try to make clear in as many posts as possible that God has NEVER said that an orientation is sinful. If so, then being a heterosexual is equally sinful.

He speaks to specific ACTS. And homosexual sex acts are pointed out as being against what He commands as are some heterosexual sex acts.

Then why do you label homosexuality a sin earlier?


"I'm not denigrating anyone. I just refer to as sin those things that God refers to as sin."

 

[IzzyPop]

Homosexual sex CANNOT create a babies. Without babies there can be no family unit.

So parents that adopt children are not creating families?

 

[ArgentBear]

Because God's word doesn't say that skin color is a sin.

I'm not denigrating anyone. I just refer to as sin those things that God refers to as sin.

You really need to read upon your history. This country had centuries of bible believers quoting verse and chapter to justify racism

 

[Belk]

The proof would be not being able to love without performing sexual acts. That isn't open to interpretation.

I must have missed where anyone claimed the requirement of sex to feel love.

 

[Zebra1552]

I'm saying that God's word evidences that He will allow folks to believe whatever lie they want. You might love someone with what you think is love. But if God, the One Who is Love , is not at the center, you're confusing your brand of love with what He says is Love.

There is a difference between loving someone and being IN LOVE with them.

Equivocation. If you're going to use a word, have the same definition and use it with that definition in mind. This thread has enough confusion in it already.

 

[Zebra1552]

You really need to read upon your history. This country had centuries of bible believers quote verse and chapter to justify racism

Just because people rip something from the Bible out of context to say something doesn't mean support for that something is in the Bible.

 

[ArgentBear]

Homosexual sex CANNOT create a babies. Without babies there can be no family unit.

Neither can infertile heterosexuals create babies….should such people be denied the right to marry and to found families?

 

[Zaac]

Just like God commands us to not wear clothes made of two different fabrics
Just like God commands us to keep slaves
Just like God commands us to kill psychics
Just like God commands us to not shave

Again you are demonstrating an errant understanding of Levitical law as opposed to the COMPLETED LAW brought by Jesus.

Read the first post in this thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7407876/

 

[Belk]

I'm saying that God's word evidences that He will allow folks to believe whatever lie they want. You might love someone with what you think is love. But if God, the One Who is Love , is not at the center, you're confusing your brand of love with what He says is Love.

There is a difference between loving someone and being IN LOVE with them.

I see. So what is the definition of God centered love and how does it differ from normal everyday love?