What Value has Evangelism in Reformed Theology

[Jesse Dornfeld]

This is more or less what I think:

"And our sharing of the faith is essential because God uses human means to bring people to himself."

Can an Elect Person Die Without Hearing the Gospel?

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"In the world, there are only savee and unsaved people. Obviously."

BTW... notice that (unlike your "opinions")...
my words are supported with SCRIPTURES

Your statements and opinions are just hilarious. My statement is proven. In the end, there will be people in heaven or hell. Only those 2 places. Those in heaven have been SAVED. And those in the lake of fire have NOT been SAVED.

Nothing you have opined has proven otherwise. In fact, your persistent claim that there are "unsaved Christians" only proves how out of touch with Scripture your ideas are.

 

[5thKingdom]

I said:
"In the world, there are only savee and unsaved people. Obviously."

Your statements and opinions are just hilarious. My statement is proven. In the end, there will be people in heaven or hell. Only those 2 places. Those in heaven have been SAVED. And those in the lake of fire have NOT been SAVED.

Nothing you have opined has proven otherwise. In fact, your persistent claim that there are "unsaved Christians" only proves how out of touch with Scripture your ideas are.

It is not a matter of what I have "opined"... you pretend again.
(1) We know all OUTSIDE the Christian Kingdom have no Savior.
(2) We also know MANY in the Christian Kingdom are unsaved "tares"


The THIRD catagory of people on earth are the saved "wheat"
in the Christian Kingdom.


You want to COMBINE (#1) and (#2)... which is nonsensical
and un-Biblical.


The unsaved Moslem OUTSIDE the Christian Kingdom is
(wait for it....) NOT THE SAME as the unsaved "tare" within
the Christian Kingdom who calls Jesus his "Lord".


The ONLY way anyone could (seriously) try to combine Moslems
and unsaved "tares" calling Jesus their "Lord" is if that person
does not care about TRUTH and only want to save face for
some "personal interpretation" that contradict Scripture.


Unsaved Moslems do NOT equal unsaved Christians....
no matter how HARD you pretend otherwise.


Now... you are welcome to pretend otherwise... that is you
privilege... but that can NEVER make your pretending True
or Biblical. No matter how HARD you pretend.


Jim

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"In the world, there are only savee and unsaved people. Obviously."

Your statements and opinions are just hilarious. My statement is proven. In the end, there will be people in heaven or hell. Only those 2 places. Those in heaven have been SAVED. And those in the lake of fire have NOT been SAVED.

Nothing you have opined has proven otherwise. In fact, your persistent claim that there are "unsaved Christians" only proves how out of touch with Scripture your ideas are.

It is not a matter of what I have "opined"... you pretend again.

Why don't you quit pretending that you know what the Bible teaches?

(1) We know all OUTSIDE the Christian Kingdom have no Savior.

See there? You just proved that you don't know the Bible. John the baptizer and a whole city of Samaritans knew that Jesus was the Savior of the WORLD. That means everyone.

(2) We also know MANY in the Christian Kingdom are unsaved "tares"

Right. But they are NOT Christians in any sense, much less the biblical sense.

The THIRD catagory of people on earth are the saved "wheat"
in the Christian Kingdom.

Ignorance. There are only saved and unsaved people in the world.

And eternity proves that. The saved will be with God in heaven. The unsaved will be in the lake of fire.

You just can't count right.

You want to COMBINE (#1) and (#2)... which is nonsensical
and un-Biblical.

What is truly nonsensical is your phony division to make up your fantasy 3rd category.

The unsaved Moslem OUTSIDE the Christian Kingdom is
(wait for it....) NOT THE SAME as the unsaved "tare" within
the Christian Kingdom who calls Jesus his "Lord".

Again, you are quite wrong. An unsaved Muslim is NO DIFFERENT than an unsaved but religious person warming a pew. Your lack of biblical discernment is appalling.

Unsaved Moslems do NOT equal unsaved Christians....

An unsaved person is "equal" to any other unsaved person. Your fantasies are bogus.

no matter how HARD you pretend otherwise.

You need to quit your own pretending.

 

[5thKingdom]

Your statements and opinions are just hilarious. My statement is proven. In the end, there will be people in heaven or hell. Only those 2 places. Those in heaven have been SAVED. And those in the lake of fire have NOT been SAVED.

But you make a STRAWMAN argument.
Whenever you make a strawman argument you prove nothing
except (a) you honestly do not understand the argument or
(b) you understand the argument but are willing to be LESS
than honest in order to advance your argument.


We are NOT talking "in the end" there are people in heaven or hell.
Instead we are talking about WHILE ON THIS EARTH.
Can you comprehend the difference?


ON THIS EARTH are there people who call Jesus their "Lord"
and call themselves "Christian" and yet they are NOT SAVED?
Yes or No?
Yes or No?


And... or those people calling Jesus their "Lord" the SAME as
those rejecting Jesus, like Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists,
Agnostics, Humanists, Pagans, Satanists, etc.
Any child knows they are NOT the same.
You embarrass yourself pretending.


JESUS (not me) said there are unsaved "tares" in the churches
who were sown by Satan and destined to the same Fire as Satan...
yet they are considered "Christians" until the Final Harvest separates
the "wheat and tares". Is this a NEW doctrine for you?


But you are free to believe WHATEVER you want.
I assure you I could not care less what you believe.


Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

I've already explained this to you.
The "Kingdom of Heaven" is everything
that God created.

Yes, I know you are very quick to "explain" your opinions...
But can you support your opinions with SCRIPTURE?


Please provide SCRIPTURE that says the "Kingdom of Heaven"
is everything that God created.


Does that include Satan? (what chapter/verse)
Does that include all the fallen angels? (what chapter/verse)
Does that include "Babylon the Great"? (what chapter/verse)
Does that include Gentiles in the OT? (what chapter/verse)
Does that include Sodom and Gomorrah? (what chapter/verse)
Does that include all those "without the Kingdom" [Rev 22:15]


Instead of just "explaining" your "opinions",
and PRETENDING that your "opinions" have any authority...
Can you actually provide SCRIPTURE that supports your "opinions"?


Jim

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
Your statements and opinions are just hilarious. My statement is proven. In the end, there will be people in heaven or hell. Only those 2 places. Those in heaven have been SAVED. And those in the lake of fire have NOT been SAVED.

But you make a STRAWMAN argument.

Your entire theology is full of straw.

We are NOT talking "in the end" there are people in heaven or hell.
Instead we are talking about WHILE ON THIS EARTH.
Can you comprehend the difference?

Yes, I am fully aware that there are people who are alive on earth and there are dead people who are in eternity, in one of two places.

Can you comprehend THAT difference? Apparently not.

Because there are ONLY 2 places in eternity for the souls of those who have died, that alone proves that your "3 kinds of people" to be totally false.

ON THIS EARTH are there people who call Jesus their "Lord"
and call themselves "Christian" and yet they are NOT SAVED?
Yes or No?
Yes or No?

It doesn't matter what people call themselves. Only those who have placed their faith in Christ for salvation are legitimately Christians.

[QUOET]And... or those people calling Jesus their "Lord" the SAME as
those rejecting Jesus, like Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists,
Agnostics, Humanists, Pagans, Satanists, etc.
Any child knows they are NOT the same.[/QUOTE]
An unsaved person can be very religious or very immoral. So what? Unsaved means just that. They're going to hell.

You embarrass yourself pretending.

said the great pretender.

JESUS (not me) said there are unsaved "tares" in the churches
who were sown by Satan and destined to the same Fire as Satan...

Whatever. At least you now admit that Jesus NEVER called these 'tares' Christians.

yet they are considered "Christians" until the Final Harvest separates
the "wheat and tares". Is this a NEW doctrine for you?

Other than you, where in the Bible are these 'tares' "considered Christians"? You've never answered that. Nor proven that.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Yes, I know you are very quick to "explain" your opinions...
But can you support your opinions with SCRIPTURE?

Already did.

Please provide SCRIPTURE that says the "Kingdom of Heaven"
is everything that God created.

I'll make this easy for you.

Please provide Scripture that SAYS there are 5 different kingdoms AND NAMES 5 different kingdoms.

But, of course, you can't. All you can do, and have done, is provide your own opinion.

 

[5thKingdom]

Already did.

You believe whatever you want.
I PROMISE you I could not care less what you believe.


In fact, you were never EXPECTED to believe [Dan 12:8-10]
But all of the "wise virgins" are COMMANDED to preach these
"sealed" mysteries at the "time-of-the-end" and that's exactly
what EACH of us are doing right now.


Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
My statement is proven. .

Please provide SCRIPTURE that says the "Kingdom of Heaven"
is everything that God created.


Does that include Satan? (what chapter/verse)
Does that include all the fallen angels? (what chapter/verse)
Does that include "Babylon the Great"? (what chapter/verse)
Does that include Gentiles in the OT? (what chapter/verse)
Does that include Sodom and Gomorrah? (what chapter/verse)
Does that include all those "without the Kingdom" [Rev 22:15]


You run and hide from this question... why is that?

.

 

[5thKingdom]

See there? You just proved that you don't know the Bible. John the baptizer and a whole city of Samaritans knew that Jesus was the Savior of the WORLD. That means everyone..

No... the term "the world" does NOT mean everyone ever born.
And Jesus did not SAVE everyone... or nobody would be in hell.
You will need to THINK DEEPER if you want to find Biblical Truth.

.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You believe whatever you want.

I do. I believe what the Bible says, not what you presume it means.

I PROMISE you I could not care less what you believe.

And I don't care what you don't care about. So?

In fact, you were never EXPECTED to believe [Dan 12:8-10]
But all of the "wise virgins" are COMMANDED to preach these
"sealed" mysteries at the "time-of-the-end" and that's exactly
what EACH of us are doing right now.
Jim

Then WHY do I BELIEVE the Bible, if I was 'never expected to believe' as you wrongly presume? What I don't believe is your very unbiblical theories.

And I was never expected to believe those unbiblical theories. Though I'm pretty sure Satan wished I did.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
My statement is proven. .

Please provide SCRIPTURE that says the "Kingdom of Heaven"
is everything that God created.

Do you realize what you are actually suggesting here??

Apparently you believe that there are kingdoms (5 maybe?) that God didn't create. Wow.

Does that include Satan? (what chapter/verse)

Ezek 28:15

Does that include all the fallen angels? (what chapter/verse)

Uh, God created all the angels. Why don't you know that?

Does that include "Babylon the Great"? (what chapter/verse)

Why don't you know that God is the Creator of humanity, per Acts 17:26. And that God was dealing personally with Nebby.

Does that include Gentiles in the OT? (what chapter/verse)

Again, Acts 17:26

Does that include Sodom and Gomorrah? (what chapter/verse)

God created humanity. Residents of those cities were humans.

Does that include all those "without the Kingdom" [Rev 22:15]

"all those" are humans and fallen angels. And all were created by God.

You run and hide from this question... why is that?
.

Why do you ask such silly questions? I addressed EACH of your questions and proved my case.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
See there? You just proved that you don't know the Bible. John the baptizer and a whole city of Samaritans knew that Jesus was the Savior of the WORLD. That means everyone..

No... the term "the world" does NOT mean everyone ever born.

Sometimes it just refers to unbelievers, when they are being contrasted with believers.

And Jesus did not SAVE everyone... or nobody would be in hell.

I never said He will save everyone. But John the baptizer and the citizens of Samaria all understood that Jesus was the Savior of the world. So, which group do you think isn't part of the "world"?

You will need to THINK DEEPER if you want to find Biblical Truth.
.

I suggest you start digging, right now!

 

[5thKingdom]

Then WHY do I BELIEVE the Bible, if I was 'never expected to believe' as you wrongly presume? What I don't believe is your very unbiblical theories.

Whether you believe the Bible or not any concern of mine.
BUT... the BIBLE (which you say you believe) makes a very
specific PROMISE.


The Bible PROMISES that the Last Saints (in the "ten virgins"
of Mat 25:1-13 and the ten "Kings/Horns" in Rev 17 and, again,
the ten "Kings/Horns" in Dan 7) will understand and preach the
Biblical mysteries that remained "closed-up" and "sealed" from
ALL previous Saints. And this will happen at the "time-of-the-end"
[Dan 12:8-10], which is also called the "Season and Time" after
the destruction of Daniel's Fourth Beast/Kingdom. [Dan 7:11-12]


Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not:
then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up
and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified,
and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and none of the wicked shall understand;
but the wise shall understand.


That means the BIBLE PROMISES the ten "virgins/kings/horns"
(the Last Saints) "shall understand" the Truth of Daniel's prophecies for the FIRST TIME,
at the "time-of-the-end", or the "Season and Time" [Dan 7:11-12].


Do you STILL believe the Bible?
Do you REALLY believe Daniel 12:8-10?


The Lord Jesus Christ also PROMISED that these Last Saints
"shall see ALL these things" (fulfillment of all Great Tribulation "signs")
[Mat 24:15, 33-34]


Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things,
know that it [His Return] is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily
I say unto you, This [fourth] generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled.


Do you STILL believe the Bible?
Do you REALLY believe Matthew 24:15 and 24:33-34?


And God PROMISES these Last Saints "shall prophesy"
about the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecies and the
fulfillment of all the Great Tribulation prophecies
as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound".
[Rev 10:7-11]


Do you STILL believe the Bible?
Do you REALLY believe Revelation 10:7-11?


The Last Saints (the "wise virgins") have been prophesying these
"closed-up" and "sealed" mysteries since the END of the fourth
"watch of the night". There is unanimous agreement among ALL
living "wise virgins" about these "sealed" mysteries. However
none besides them can "understand" (as the Bible PROMISED)


The prophecy of the "wise virgins" is a matter of public record,
it was sent to HUNDREDS of the most esteemed theologians
teaching in some of the most prestigious seminaries in America.
It was sent to HUNDREDS of pastors preaching in some of the
most traditional orthodox Protestant and Reformed churches in
America (a partial list of their names is on the "Recipient Page")
NONE were able to respond with ONE VERSE from the Bible
that contradicts anything preached by these "wise virgins"...
as the Bible PROMISED in Daniel 12.


Do you STILL believe the Bible?
Do you REALLY believe the Last Saints reveal mysteries?


No, don't get me wrong. MANY of them DENIED the prophecy...
but NONE were able to offer ONE VERSE of Scripture to REFUTE it.
They (like you) can only DENY the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries, EXACTLY as the Bible promised, long ago, in Daniel 12.


So... if you REALLY believe the Bible, then you must believe the
Last Saints "shall understand" the Truth about Daniel's prophecies,
and they will preach about these mysteries as the LAST SIGN on this
earth, before the Lord Returns (since there is no other "sign" after
the Seventh Trumpet "begins" to sound").


The prophecy of the Last Saints not only reveals the Truth about
Daniel's Four "Beasts/Kingdom", but also the relationship with the
Revelation Beast and the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]


You can see most of these "sealed" mysteries at the website below.
But understand this... you only have THREE CHOICES. Either (1) the prophecy of
the last "wise virgins" on that site is fulfillment of what the Bible PROMISED i
n Daniel 12 (above) and what the Lord Jesus PROMISED in Matthew 24 (above)...
OR, (2) you are STILL WAITING for some future group to "reveal" these "sealed"
mysteries at the "time-of-the-end"? And your current "gospel" includes no such thing.
OR, (3) you do NOT really believe the Bible - and think Jesus was just telling fairy tales.


Do you STILL believe the Bible...
even though your "gospel" does NOT include the PROMISES
about the Last Saints revealing "sealed" Biblical mysteries?


If you do NOT BELIEVE what the Bible PROMISES in Daniel 12,
and in Matthew 24 and in Revelation 10 (above)... if you do NOT
believe the Truth about Daniel's prophecies remained "sealed"
to all Saints until the Last Saints "shall understand" at the
"time-of-the-end"... you do not really believe the Bible at all.
You can start here:


https://www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-1


BTW... there is a standing offer. If anyone can find ONE VERSE in the Bible
that contradicts anything revealed on the website of the "ten virgins" then
the website will immediately be deleted.

However, if you read the website and CANNOT offer a SINGLE VERSE
that contradicts the prophecy, then realize you have just demonstrated
the "dominion" of the Last Saints, as was already foretold in Daniel 7:26.


Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
John the baptizer and a whole city of Samaritans knew that Jesus was
the Savior of the WORLD. That means everyone..

Why do you ASSUME "the world" means everyone ever born?
That is an ASSUMPTION that you ADDED to the text.


Since we know some men (many men) were NEVER MEANT to be saved.
How could Jesus be THEIR Savior - HE knew they were to "be forgiven"
How could Jesus be THE Savior of all the people destined to hell...
must sins be paid TWICE?


Or could it be that definition of "the world" in this particular CONTEXT
means BOTH the Jews and Gentiles?


Remember, before Jesus came God was saving ONLY the Jews.
After Jesus came God saved BOTH Jew and Gentile.
Jew + Gentile = "the world".


If Jesus was the Savior of everyone ever born then
(1) Jesus FAILED miserably because most men are destined to hell and
(2) Jesus taught some men were NEVER MEANT to be saved...
how could He be their Savior?


You doctrine contradicts MANY Scriptures and the teaching of Jesus
that some men were NEVER MEANT to be saved. Therefore you
can know your "theory" is not Biblical and can not be correct.


Jim

 

[JLB777]

The question you really have to answer is why do some believe and some do not what quality do they have? 2 people hear the same Gospel one believes and the other does not why?

In order to exercise belief it first must be granted...

Php 1:29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, engaged in the same conflict that you saw I had and now hear that I still have.

Can one believe if it is not Granted... if so how?


In Him,

Bill

Bill,

Are you saying that the Gospel is presented to some with grace and to others without grace?


Grace is the gift, the God given ability to believe and therefore obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.


The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation.


JLB

 

[FreeGrace2]

Whether you believe the Bible or not any concern of mine.

What in the world are you talking about? You have been HARPING on your opinion that I "wasn't meant to believe" the Bible.

BUT... the BIBLE (which you say you believe) makes a very
specific PROMISE.

The Bible PROMISES that the Last Saints (in the "ten virgins"
of Mat 25:1-13 and the ten "Kings/Horns" in Rev 17 and, again,
the ten "Kings/Horns" in Dan 7) will understand and preach the
Biblical mysteries that remained "closed-up" and "sealed" from
ALL previous Saints.

Well, guess what, Jim. I'm not one of your "all previous saints", and I understand the end times far better than you apparently do.

btw, I had asked how many of the biblical scholars and pastors you sent your manuscript or website to actually responded to your stuff. Are you willing to answer that?

I'm guessing none of them did. That your website got the "delete" button.

Are you aware that your website on your made up "5 kingdoms" website is the ONLY ONE out there?? If anything you have on that website were true, how come you're the only one who knows it?

Also, from your "recipient" list, it seems (insinuates) that all those in the beginning of the list agreed with your stuff, and those under the heading of "unable to refute" tried but couldn't?

Is that what you meant?

I bet NO ONE on that whole list agreed with you.

If any did, why don't you provide their comments showing agreement? Because you don't have any.

Do you STILL believe the Bible?
Do you REALLY believe Daniel 12:8-10?

Of course I do. And I absolutely REJECT your "5 kingdoms" stuff.

No, don't get me wrong. MANY of them DENIED the prophecy...
but NONE were able to offer ONE VERSE of Scripture to REFUTE it.

This is funny. You haven't been able to support your "5 kingdoms" stuff from Scripture.

Instead of Jesus "naming" any of them, it was YOU who "named" them. And all pure fantasy.

They (like you) can only DENY the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries, EXACTLY as the Bible promised, long ago, in Daniel 12.

Where do you get the notion that I've denied biblical mysteries? I deny YOUR notions.

So... if you REALLY believe the Bible, then you must believe the
Last Saints "shall understand" the Truth about Daniel's prophecies,
and they will preach about these mysteries as the LAST SIGN on this
earth, before the Lord Returns (since there is no other "sign" after
the Seventh Trumpet "begins" to sound").

I do understand Daniel's prophecies. Where did you get the silly idea that I don't?

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
John the baptizer and a whole city of Samaritans knew that Jesus was
the Savior of the WORLD. That means everyone..

Why do you ASSUME "the world" means everyone ever born?

The far better question is WHY do YOU PRESUME that John the baptizer and the whole city of the Samaritans thought that "world" meant less than everyone?

That is an ASSUMPTION that you ADDED to the text.

You are just so full of presumption. The word "world" is commonly used to mean "everything in the world" or "everyone in the world". But go ahead and deny the reality.

Since we know some men (many men) were NEVER MEANT to be saved.

That's just your fantasy talking again. You still haven't proven your presumption.

1 Tim 2:3-6 and Titus 2:11 proves that God provided salvation for everyone, but that it must be received by faith. That's what your theology doesn't allow.

How could Jesus be THEIR Savior - HE knew they were to "be forgiven"
How could Jesus be THE Savior of all the people destined to hell...
must sins be paid TWICE?

You just keep showing off your ignorance of the truth.

By paying the sin debt for everyone's sins, they are free to accept the gift of eternal life on the basis of faith.

And those who end up in hell aren't paying for their sins. That is the lie from hell.

They end up their on the single basis of NOT being qualified to live with God. Why not? Because they didn't receive the free gift of God's life, that is, eternal life.

Col 1:12 - and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light.

A person becomes QUALIFIED to live with God only by having God's life, which is eternal life.

So those who end up in hell have only themselves to blame. They rejected the FREE GIFT that would have qualified them to live with God.

Or could it be that definition of "the world" in this particular CONTEXT
means BOTH the Jews and Gentiles?

OK, what other categories of humans are out there in the WORLD? Hm. None. So your attempted dodge fails.

When a Jew used the word "world", yes, he was thinking of both Jew and Gentile. And since the "world" is made up of ONLY Jews and Gentiles, they obviously mean everyone.

Remember, before Jesus came God was saving ONLY the Jews. [/QUOTE]
I highly recommend that you finally read Romans 4. You couldn't be more wrong.

Rom 3:29 - Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too,

Rom 15:9-12
9 and, moreover, that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written: “Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing the praises of your name.” (2 Sam 22:50, Psa 18:49)
10 Again, it says, “Rejoice, you Gentiles, with his people.” (Deut 32:43)
11 And again, “Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles; let all the peoples extol him.” (Psa 117:1)
12 And again, Isaiah says, “The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; in him the Gentiles will hope.” (Isa 11:10)

In case you may not realize it, all the verses that Paul quoted in Rom 15 were from the OT.

So much for your claim.

After Jesus came God saved BOTH Jew and Gentile.
Jew + Gentile = "the world".

Since the entire human race is either Jew or Gentile, the "world" means everyone.

And the Bible plainly says that Christ died for everyone, not just "everyone after He died on the cross. The OT looked forward to the sacrifice of the Messiah on the cross. The NT looks backward to the cross.

If Jesus was the Savior of everyone ever born then
(1) Jesus FAILED miserably because most men are destined to hell and
(2) Jesus taught some men were NEVER MEANT to be saved...
how could He be their Savior?

What foolish nonsense!!

There are NO verses that teach that "most men are destined to hell". In fact, the Bible teaches that salvation is for everyone, as Titus 2:11 plainly states. And 1 Tim 2:3-6.

Nor have you, or can you, find any teaching in the Bible about people who were "never meant to be saved". Unbelievable ignorance of Scripture.

You doctrine contradicts MANY Scriptures and the teaching of Jesus
that some men were NEVER MEANT to be saved.

Actually, the opposite is true. You have failed to prove your case.

Therefore you can know your "theory" is not Biblical and can not be correct.
Jim

Look in a mirror and then say that.

1 Tim 2;3-6
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior,
4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

Titus 2:11 - For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.

The large words (to hellp you see the truth) is one word in the Greek; 'pas'. It means everyone and is translated that way in many translations.

These verses stand in stark contrast and REBUKE to your unbiblical notions.

 

[5thKingdom]

I do understand Daniel's prophecies. Where did you get the silly idea that I don't?

The tell me what Daniel's Four Beasts represent.

.