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So you are telling me you cannot discern the CONTEXT of these passages
Well, you just showed your error of presuming that a "context" gives a "name" to a "kingdom of heaven".

Jesus gave NO NAMES to any kingdom of heaven.

When Jesus mentioned "THE kingdom of heaven", He was always speaking about the ONE AND ONLY kingdom of heaven.

To suggest anythiing more is ludicrous.
 
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The fallacy of your claims is to prove where Jesus "named" that kingdom as "the Jewish Kingdom". It's just your opinion.


This is WHY I said you must THINK DEEPER.
Tell me... WHO are the people in Matthew 22:2-7?
If you cannot discern WHO they are then you are not
qualified or capable of offering an "informed opinion"
on those verses because you don't know the context.
Again... do not assume Biblical Truth is limited to what
YOU KNOW... it most certainly is not.


Again, the fallacy of your claims is to prove whre Jesus "names that kingdom as "the Christian Kingdom". It's just your opinion.


This is WHY I said you must THINK DEEPER.
Tell me... WHO are the people in those verses?
If you cannot discern WHO they are then you are not
qualified or capable of offering an "informed opinion"
on those verses because you don't know the context.
Again... do not assume Biblical Truth is limited to what
YOU KNOW... it most certainly is not.


God's kingdom is everything. He created the entire universe and everything beyond, so the "kingdom of heaven" refers to everything He created.


That is so funny.


Yes, God created everything. Does that mean the
Pre-Flood Kingdom (or world) is the SAME as the post-flood.
Do you see how EASY it is to show your shallow understanding?


I already told you, you must THINK DEEPER.
Was the Jewish Kingdom (and the Jewish Gospel) the SAME
as the Christian Kingdom (and the Christian Gospel)?


God created everything... both the Jewish Kingdom/Gospel
and the Christian Kingdom/Gospel... but that DOES NOT MEAN
they are the same.


That is just you expressing your LIMITED understanding
of Scripture. Even a "babe in Christ" knows the Jewish
Kingdom/Gospel was DIFFERENT than the Christian...


You haven't shown where Jesus gave a name to ANY "kingdom of heaven". So your claim is merely empty.


That is why I told you that you must THINK DEEPER.
When the Bible talks about the Pre-Flood Kingdom it is obvious
to anyone THINKING DEEPLY that it is different than the Jewish
Kingdom. Different TIME, different PEOPLE, different GOSPEL
and different WORLD.


Jesus certainly did give a NAME to the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 22:2-7 because He explained the CONTEXT of the
passage was the Jewish Kingdom. If you cannot discern WHO
Jesus was talking about in verses 2-7 that is YOUR inability to
understand Scripture and NOT EVERYONE'S inability. As I have
told you repeatedly... do not assume biblical Truth is LIMITED
to what YOU can understand.


Likewise, Jesus did not have to NAME the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 13 as "Christian" because He explained the CONTEXT
of the passage. If YOU cannot discern WHO Jesus was talking
about that is YOUR inability to understand Scripture and NOT
EVERYONE'S inability. As I have told you repeatedly... do not
assume Biblical Truth is LIMITED to what YOU understand.


Now, let me say this as kindly as possible.
When you DECLARE that you cannot discern WHO is the context
of Matthew 22:2-7 you are showing a very limited understanding
and (frankly) embarrassing yourself.


The same applies to WHO is the context of the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 13


The same applies to WHO is the context of the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 25:1


The same applies to WHO is the context of the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 8... can you REALLY not understand the context
of this "Kingdom of Heaven"?


Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from
the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac,
and Jacob, in the [eternal] Kingdom of Heaven.


Start THINKING about the context of the passage.
You cannot hope to understand the MEANING of the passage
when you cannot discern the context.


Jim
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
The fallacy of your claims is to prove where Jesus "named" that kingdom as "the Jewish Kingdom". It's just your opinion.
This is WHY I said you must THINK DEEPER.
Tell me... WHO are the people in Matthew 22:2-7?
If you cannot discern WHO they are then you are not
qualified or capable of offering an "informed opinion"
on those verses because you don't know the context.
Again... do not assume Biblical Truth is limited to what
YOU KNOW... it most certainly is not.
Rather than your wimpy "think deeper" challenge, it seems you have simply gone into the DEEP END.

You clearly make the claim that Jesus NAMED (in red no less) various "kingdoms of heaven". He didn't name ANY kingdom of heaven.

So, by Jesus NAMED... you really only mean that people in the context give a name to the kingdom. You need to get out of your own deep end.

Yes, God created everything. Does that mean the
Pre-Flood Kingdom (or world) is the SAME as the post-flood.
Do you see how EASY it is to show your shallow understanding?
God's kingdom doesn't change like shifting shadows or sand in the wind, as you seem to think.

It's ALL God's kingdom. Regardless of who the context is about.

I already told you, you must THINK DEEPER.
Was the Jewish Kingdom (and the Jewish Gospel) the SAME
as the Christian Kingdom (and the Christian Gospel)?
Paul, the greatest evangelist ever, would have said YES to this question. This is his testimony:

Acts 26:22 - But God has helped me to this very day; so I stand here and testify to small and great alike. I am saying nothing beyond what the prophets and Moses said would happen —

God created everything... both the Jewish Kingdom/Gospel
and the Christian Kingdom/Gospel... but that DOES NOT MEAN
they are the same.
Same Creator. Same King. Your are simply in the deep end.

Jesus certainly did give a NAME to the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 22:2-7 because He explained the CONTEXT of the
passage was the Jewish Kingdom.
OK, wise one, what NAME did Jesus GIVE to this kingdom of heaven in Matt 22?

Likewise, Jesus did not have to NAME the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 13 as "Christian" because He explained the CONTEXT
of the passage.
But you've been going around claiming that Jesus NAMED all 5 of your so-called kingdoms. Now you are back peddling.

The same applies to WHO is the context of the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 13
The same applies to WHO is the context of the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 25:1
The same applies to WHO is the context of the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 8... can you REALLY not understand the context
of this "Kingdom of Heaven"?
Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from
the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac,
and Jacob, in the [eternal] Kingdom of Heaven.
I don't find a blue word "eternal" with brackets around it in my Bible.

Start THINKING about the context of the passage.
You cannot hope to understand the MEANING of the passage
when you cannot discern the context.
Jim
You need to get out of the deep end.

You are just WAY OVER YOUR HEAD.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
The fallacy of your claims is to prove where Jesus "named" that kingdom as "the Jewish Kingdom". It's just your opinion.


No... you can PRETEND that all you want.
But we know that JESUS was not telling a fairy tale
and He was not LYING... He was talking about a specific
group of PEOPLE (being called to the "marriage" of his son)


If you cannot discern WHO those people were...
even after I explained it in detail to you... then I cannot
help you. You must remain in blissful ignorance or denial.


Jim
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
The fallacy of your claims is to prove where Jesus "named" that kingdom as "the Jewish Kingdom". It's just your opinion.
No... you can PRETEND that all you want.
lol. All the pretense is is on you. For claiming that Jesus gave names to "the kingdom of heaven".

There is but ONE "kingdom of heaven".

But we know that JESUS was not telling a fairy tale
and He was not LYING... He was talking about a specific
group of PEOPLE (being called to the "marriage" of his son)
OK. So what? How does that "name" a "kingdom of heaven"? You haven't explained how that names a kingdom.

If you cannot discern WHO those people were...
even after I explained it in detail to you... then I cannot
help you. You must remain in blissful ignorance or denial.
Jim
of course I can discern WHO the people are. So what? How does that result in naming a kingdom?

Your handle indicates that God is juggling 5 kingdoms. Yeah, sure.

God's kingdom encompasses everything that He created. So that's "the kingdom of heaven".

Creator God is King over His creation, which is "the kingdom of heaven".

And, guess what? There are many different kinds and categories of people within His kingdom of heaven.

Jesus NEVER named any kingdom of heaven. And there is only one kingdom; God's kingdom.

Everything else is your fantasy.
 
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I asked "kingdom guy", regarding context and the people in that context:
"How does that "name" a "kingdom of heaven"? You haven't explained how that names a kingdom."

As usual, no answer. Just crickets.

The truth: he has no answers. Just a bunch of opinions.
 
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I asked "kingdom guy", regarding context and the people in that context:
"How does that "name" a "kingdom of heaven"? You haven't explained how that names a kingdom."

As usual, no answer. Just crickets.

The truth: he has no answers. Just a bunch of opinions.


I answered you...
you did not LIKE the answer

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I answered you...
you did not LIKE the answer
A word salad is what you gave.

YOU specifically stated that Jesus NAMED "kingdoms of heaven". But in EVERY context, what I saw Jesus say was "THE kingdom of heaven".

And you CHANGED the word "the" into 5 different names.

That's no answer. That's just a made up claim.

So, you STILL haven't shown anywhere where Jesus actually NAMED any "kingdom of heaven". Unless you argue that "the" means 5 different things.
 
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YOU specifically stated that Jesus NAMED "kingdoms of heaven". But in EVERY context, what I saw Jesus say was "THE kingdom of heaven".


That is correct... "The Kingdom of Heaven"
BTW... I will be kind enough to add some context
[in blue ink] to help you understand the meaning of verses

----------------------

(1) During the Pre-Flood days "The Kingdom of Heaven"
contained all the Saints from Adam to Noah. It's just too difficult
for you to understand the PEOPLE and the GOSPELS and the
WORLDS were DIFFERENT for the Pre-Flood Saints and the
Jewish Saints... Is that reality to complex for you to understand?

-----------------

(2) During the OT days "The Kingdom of Heaven" contained
all the Jews that God saved... and then God later DESTROYED
"The Kingdom of Heaven" of the Jews, because they were not faithful. Please do not believe me... see what JESUS said when
He specifically NAMED "The Kingdom of Heaven" of the Jews.

Mat 22:2 The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son, 3 And sent forth his servants
to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not
come. 4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which
are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my
fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm,
another to his merchandise: 6 And the remnant took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. 7 But when the king
[God] heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies,
and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

Now understand this.... those PRETENDING there was only ONE
"Kingdom of Heaven" on earth, must then explain HOW it was
DESTROYED in Matthew 22:7. Are you REALLY going to pretend
the ONLY [and eternal] "Kingdom of Heaven" was DESTROYED
at the end of the Old Testament... as the New Testament Kingdom
began?

Joh_4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. [the harvest of the
LAST Jewish Saints into the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".]


Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God
SHALL BE TAKEN
from you [the Jews], AND GIVEN to a nation
bringing forth the fruits thereof. [the Christians] 21:45 And when
the chief priests and Pharisees had heard His parables,
they perceived that he spake of them.

----------------

So, we have The Kingdom of Heaven of the Pre-Flood destroyed,
and we have The Kingdom of Heaven of the OT destroyed....
and we have The Kingdom of Heaven of the NT destroyed.

First, let's establish there was a separate NT Kingdom of Heaven...

-----------------

(3) Jesus specifically NAMED The Kingdom of Heaven of the NT
in eight (8) different verses of Matthew 13 (and many other verses)
I will only focus on two (2) of these passages because there can be
no SERIOUS denial these verses are talking about the NT Kingdom...
and NOT the Pre-Flood "Kingdom", or the Jewish "Kingdom" or
the ETERNAL "Kingdom".

Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The Kingdom of Heaven is likened unto a man which sowed
good seed in his field:

Mat 13:47 Again, The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a net,
that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

---------------------

I promised to show The Kingdom of Heaven of the NT destroyed.
So pay attention... this will be some New Information for you

When the "testimony" of the church is "finished" [Rev 11:7]
(the two candlesticks and two olive trees represent the NT church)
and the LAST SAINT has been "saved/sealed" [Rev 7:1-3] then
the Holy Spirit is "taken out of the way" [2Thess 2:6-9] and the
Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" is finished BEFORE Satan can be "loosened" from the Bottomless Pit [Rev 9:1-12] so he can RULE the last "wheat and tares" during his "Little Season" [Rev 20:3]
which is also shown as the Revelation Beast and Great Tribulation.

The last "wheat and tares" are called the "ten virgins" [Mat 25:1-13]
who "went forth" from the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" as they
preach the Gospel of the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".

This is AFTER the Holy Spirit has been "taken out of the way" and
Satan has been "loosened" to RULE during the Revelation Beast.

Mat 25:1

Then shall The Kingdom of Heaven [the Great Tribulation Kingdom]
be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS, which took their lamps,
[their Gospels] and WENT FORTH [from the Christian Kingdom]

to meet the bridegroom [Jesus]. 2 And five of them were wise,
[saved wheat] and five were foolish [unsaved tares].

-------------------------

(4) Now... before we go any farther... for those PRETENDING there
is only ONE (1) "Kingdom of Heaven" on earth, we have just seen
JESUS CHRIST specifically NAME:


(1) The Kingdom of Heaven of the Old Testament
(2) The Kingdom of Heaven of the New Testament
(3) The Kingdom of Heaven of the Great Tribulation

There can be no dispute about the FINAL "Kingdom of Heaven"
which is ETERNAL (not temporal like the others) and contains ONLY
the Saints from the previous four (4) "Kingdoms of Heaven",
(while the temporal Kingdoms had BOTH saved and unsaved men)


Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in The Kingdom of Heaven. [the Eternal Kingdom of Heaven]

Only a complete FOOL will argue the Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 8:11] is the SAME "Kingdom of Heaven" of the OT period
(which had saved and unsaved - and was destroyed) or the SAME "Kingdom of Heaven" of the NT era (which had saved and unsaved and was destroyed as the Holy Spirit was "taken out of the way")
or the SAME as the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" (which
had saved and unsaved men - and is destroyed at Christ's Return)


------------------------

(5) Now some Truth on the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
The "ten virgins" that "went forth" from the Christian Kingdom into
the Great Tribulation Kingdom are also called ten "horns/kings" that

are RULED by the Anti-christ (and called "the saints") in Dan 7:24-25
and they are AGAIN called ten "horns/kings" that agree to give their

"power and strength" to the Revelation Beast [Rev 17:12-13] and
they "agree to give their KINGDOM to the Beast" [Rev 17:17]

That is WHY the LAST SAINT had to be "saved/sealed" [Rev 7:1-3]
and the Holy Spirit had to be "taken out of the way" [2Th 2:6-9]
BEFORE Satan could RULE the last "wheat and tares" during the
Revelation Beast/Daniel's Fourth Beast/Great Tribulation Kingdom


-----------------

(6) A little EXTRA education for you:

The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and EVERY TIME the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one four (4) temporal Kingdoms on earth...
OR... it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".
-------------------------------------------------------------
In other words, the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
is also called the one (1) Eternal "Kingdom of God"
more on this interchangeability below
-------------------------------------------------------------
The first four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of each,
with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins" living
during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1-13]
---------------------------------------------------------
The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and EVERY TIME it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
TO BE CLEAR, the "Kingdom of God" IS A SUBSET of the
"Kingdoms of Heaven" since it ONLY includes the saved
"wheat", and none of the unsaved "tares".
---------------------------------
Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.
-----------------------------------
When presented with how the BIBLE DEFINES the
five (5) different "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the one (1)
Eternal "Kingdom of God". Many people are confused when
they see the terms used interchangeably. Remember, when
the CONTEXT of the verse is focused on ONLY the saved,
the Bible can (and does) use the terms interchangeably.
Once this reality is understood, it actually provides a new
(and wonderful) dimension to the way Scripture is written.
-----------------------------------------

Jim
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
YOU specifically stated that Jesus NAMED "kingdoms of heaven". But in EVERY context, what I saw Jesus say was "THE kingdom of heaven".
That is correct...
Well, at least you are NOW admitting your error about what you have been claiming what Jesus said. Jesus NEVER NAMED any kingdom of heaven.

"The Kingdom of Heaven"
BTW... I will be kind enough to add some context
[in blue ink] to help you understand the meaning of verses
You're wasing your time.

(1) During the Pre-Flood days "The Kingdom of Heaven"
contained all the Saints from Adam to Noah. It's just too difficult
for you to understand the PEOPLE and the GOSPELS and the
WORLDS were DIFFERENT for the Pre-Flood Saints and the
Jewish Saints... Is that reality to complex for you to understand?

-----------------

(2) During the OT days "The Kingdom of Heaven" contained
all the Jews that God saved... and then God later DESTROYED
"The Kingdom of Heaven" of the Jews, because they were not faithful. Please do not believe me... see what JESUS said when
He specifically NAMED "The Kingdom of Heaven" of the Jews.

Mat 22:2 The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son, 3 And sent forth his servants
to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not
come. 4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which
are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my
fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm,
another to his merchandise: 6 And the remnant took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. 7 But when the king
[God] heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies,
and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

Now understand this.... those PRETENDING there was only ONE
"Kingdom of Heaven" on earth, must then explain HOW it was
DESTROYED in Matthew 22:7. Are you REALLY going to pretend
the ONLY [and eternal] "Kingdom of Heaven" was DESTROYED
at the end of the Old Testament... as the New Testament Kingdom
began?

Joh_4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. [the harvest of the
LAST Jewish Saints into the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".]


Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God
SHALL BE TAKEN
from you [the Jews], AND GIVEN to a nation
bringing forth the fruits thereof. [the Christians] 21:45 And when
the chief priests and Pharisees had heard His parables,
they perceived that he spake of them.

----------------

So, we have The Kingdom of Heaven of the Pre-Flood destroyed,
and we have The Kingdom of Heaven of the OT destroyed....
and we have The Kingdom of Heaven of the NT destroyed.

First, let's establish there was a separate NT Kingdom of Heaven...

-----------------

(3) Jesus specifically NAMED The Kingdom of Heaven of the NT
in eight (8) different verses of Matthew 13 (and many other verses)
I will only focus on two (2) of these passages because there can be
no SERIOUS denial these verses are talking about the NT Kingdom...
and NOT the Pre-Flood "Kingdom", or the Jewish "Kingdom" or
the ETERNAL "Kingdom".

Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The Kingdom of Heaven is likened unto a man which sowed
good seed in his field:

Mat 13:47 Again, The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a net,
that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

---------------------

I promised to show The Kingdom of Heaven of the NT destroyed.
So pay attention... this will be some New Information for you

When the "testimony" of the church is "finished" [Rev 11:7]
(the two candlesticks and two olive trees represent the NT church)
and the LAST SAINT has been "saved/sealed" [Rev 7:1-3] then
the Holy Spirit is "taken out of the way" [2Thess 2:6-9] and the
Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" is finished BEFORE Satan can be "loosened" from the Bottomless Pit [Rev 9:1-12] so he can RULE the last "wheat and tares" during his "Little Season" [Rev 20:3]
which is also shown as the Revelation Beast and Great Tribulation.

The last "wheat and tares" are called the "ten virgins" [Mat 25:1-13]
who "went forth" from the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" as they
preach the Gospel of the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".

This is AFTER the Holy Spirit has been "taken out of the way" and
Satan has been "loosened" to RULE during the Revelation Beast.

Mat 25:1

Then shall The Kingdom of Heaven [the Great Tribulation Kingdom]
be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS, which took their lamps,
[their Gospels] and WENT FORTH [from the Christian Kingdom]

to meet the bridegroom [Jesus]. 2 And five of them were wise,
[saved wheat] and five were foolish [unsaved tares].

-------------------------

(4) Now... before we go any farther... for those PRETENDING there
is only ONE (1) "Kingdom of Heaven" on earth, we have just seen
JESUS CHRIST specifically NAME:


(1) The Kingdom of Heaven of the Old Testament
(2) The Kingdom of Heaven of the New Testament
(3) The Kingdom of Heaven of the Great Tribulation

There can be no dispute about the FINAL "Kingdom of Heaven"
which is ETERNAL (not temporal like the others) and contains ONLY
the Saints from the previous four (4) "Kingdoms of Heaven",
(while the temporal Kingdoms had BOTH saved and unsaved men)


Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in The Kingdom of Heaven. [the Eternal Kingdom of Heaven]

Only a complete FOOL will argue the Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 8:11] is the SAME "Kingdom of Heaven" of the OT period
(which had saved and unsaved - and was destroyed) or the SAME "Kingdom of Heaven" of the NT era (which had saved and unsaved and was destroyed as the Holy Spirit was "taken out of the way")
or the SAME as the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" (which
had saved and unsaved men - and is destroyed at Christ's Return)


------------------------

(5) Now some Truth on the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
The "ten virgins" that "went forth" from the Christian Kingdom into
the Great Tribulation Kingdom are also called ten "horns/kings" that

are RULED by the Anti-christ (and called "the saints") in Dan 7:24-25
and they are AGAIN called ten "horns/kings" that agree to give their

"power and strength" to the Revelation Beast [Rev 17:12-13] and
they "agree to give their KINGDOM to the Beast" [Rev 17:17]

That is WHY the LAST SAINT had to be "saved/sealed" [Rev 7:1-3]
and the Holy Spirit had to be "taken out of the way" [2Th 2:6-9]
BEFORE Satan could RULE the last "wheat and tares" during the
Revelation Beast/Daniel's Fourth Beast/Great Tribulation Kingdom


-----------------

(6) A little EXTRA education for you:

The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and EVERY TIME the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one four (4) temporal Kingdoms on earth...
OR... it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".
-------------------------------------------------------------
In other words, the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
is also called the one (1) Eternal "Kingdom of God"
more on this interchangeability below
-------------------------------------------------------------
The first four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of each,
with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins" living
during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1-13]
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The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and EVERY TIME it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
TO BE CLEAR, the "Kingdom of God" IS A SUBSET of the
"Kingdoms of Heaven" since it ONLY includes the saved
"wheat", and none of the unsaved "tares".
---------------------------------
Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.
-----------------------------------
When presented with how the BIBLE DEFINES the
five (5) different "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the one (1)
Eternal "Kingdom of God". Many people are confused when
they see the terms used interchangeably. Remember, when
the CONTEXT of the verse is focused on ONLY the saved,
the Bible can (and does) use the terms interchangeably.
Once this reality is understood, it actually provides a new
(and wonderful) dimension to the way Scripture is written.
-----------------------------------------
Jim
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Once again, there are many different peoples in God's Kingdom of Heaven. That doesn't result in many different kingdoms, as you so wrongly presume.

But it's clear that you have dug yourself so deep in your biased opinion, that there is nothing anyone can say that will prove that your presumption is erroneous.

Any kingdom is made up of different peoples. And it's still one kingdom.

God is overall His creation. And He created "from one man all nations of men", according to Acts 17:26. It's all His kingdom.

The Kingdom of Heaven is God's kingdom.
 
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Once again, there are many different peoples in God's Kingdom of Heaven. That doesn't result in many different kingdoms, as you so wrongly presume.


So you think the unsaved Jews and unsaved Christians
are in the ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven"?
LOL


Any kingdom is made up of different peoples. And it's still one kingdom.


So you think unsaved Jews and unsaved Christians
are in the ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven"
LOL


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(1) During the Pre-Flood days "The Kingdom of Heaven"
contained all the Saints from Adam to Noah. It's just too difficult
for you to understand the PEOPLE and the GOSPELS and the
WORLDS were DIFFERENT for the Pre-Flood Saints and the
Jewish Saints... Is that reality to complex for you to understand?

-----------------

(2) During the OT days "The Kingdom of Heaven" contained
all the Jews that God saved... and then God later DESTROYED
"The Kingdom of Heaven" of the Jews, because they were not faithful. Please do not believe me... see what JESUS said when
He specifically NAMED "The Kingdom of Heaven" of the Jews.

Mat 22:2 The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son, 3 And sent forth his servants
to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not
come. 4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which
are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my
fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm,
another to his merchandise: 6 And the remnant took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. 7 But when the king
[God] heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies,
and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

Now understand this.... those PRETENDING there was only ONE
"Kingdom of Heaven" on earth, must then explain HOW it was
DESTROYED in Matthew 22:7. Are you REALLY going to pretend
the ONLY [and eternal] "Kingdom of Heaven" was DESTROYED
at the end of the Old Testament... as the New Testament Kingdom
began?

Joh_4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. [the harvest of the
LAST Jewish Saints into the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".]

Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God
SHALL BE TAKEN
from you [the Jews], AND GIVEN to a nation
bringing forth the fruits thereof. [the Christians] 21:45 And when
the chief priests and Pharisees had heard His parables,
they perceived that he spake of them.

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So, we have The Kingdom of Heaven of the Pre-Flood destroyed,
and we have The Kingdom of Heaven of the OT destroyed....
and we have The Kingdom of Heaven of the NT destroyed.

First, let's establish there was a separate NT Kingdom of Heaven...

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(3) Jesus specifically NAMED The Kingdom of Heaven of the NT
in eight (8) different verses of Matthew 13 (and many other verses)
I will only focus on two (2) of these passages because there can be
no SERIOUS denial these verses are talking about the NT Kingdom...
and NOT the Pre-Flood "Kingdom", or the Jewish "Kingdom" or
the ETERNAL "Kingdom".

Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The Kingdom of Heaven is likened unto a man which sowed
good seed in his field:

Mat 13:47 Again, The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a net,
that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

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I promised to show The Kingdom of Heaven of the NT destroyed.
So pay attention... this will be some New Information for you

When the "testimony" of the church is "finished" [Rev 11:7]
(the two candlesticks and two olive trees represent the NT church)
and the LAST SAINT has been "saved/sealed" [Rev 7:1-3] then
the Holy Spirit is "taken out of the way" [2Thess 2:6-9] and the
Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" is finished BEFORE Satan can be "loosened" from the Bottomless Pit [Rev 9:1-12] so he can RULE the last "wheat and tares" during his "Little Season" [Rev 20:3]
which is also shown as the Revelation Beast and Great Tribulation.

The last "wheat and tares" are called the "ten virgins" [Mat 25:1-13]
who "went forth" from the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" as they
preach the Gospel of the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
This is AFTER the Holy Spirit has been "taken out of the way" and
Satan has been "loosened" to RULE during the Revelation Beast.

Mat 25:1
Then shall The Kingdom of Heaven [the Great Tribulation Kingdom]
be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS, which took their lamps,
[their Gospels] and WENT FORTH [from the Christian Kingdom]
to meet the bridegroom [Jesus]. 2 And five of them were wise,
[saved wheat] and five were foolish [unsaved tares].

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(4) Now... before we go any farther... for those PRETENDING there
is only ONE (1) "Kingdom of Heaven" on earth, we have just seen
JESUS CHRIST specifically NAME:

(1) The Kingdom of Heaven of the Old Testament
(2) The Kingdom of Heaven of the New Testament
(3) The Kingdom of Heaven of the Great Tribulation

There can be no dispute about the FINAL "Kingdom of Heaven"
which is ETERNAL (not temporal like the others) and contains ONLY
the Saints from the previous four (4) "Kingdoms of Heaven",
(while the temporal Kingdoms had BOTH saved and unsaved men)

Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in The Kingdom of Heaven. [the Eternal Kingdom of Heaven]

Only a complete FOOL will argue the Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 8:11] is the SAME "Kingdom of Heaven" of the OT period
(which had saved and unsaved - and was destroyed) or the SAME "Kingdom of Heaven" of the NT era (which had saved and unsaved and was destroyed as the Holy Spirit was "taken out of the way")
or the SAME as the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" (which
had saved and unsaved men - and is destroyed at Christ's Return)

------------------------

(5) Now some Truth on the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
The "ten virgins" that "went forth" from the Christian Kingdom into
the Great Tribulation Kingdom are also called ten "horns/kings" that
are RULED by the Anti-christ (and called "the saints") in Dan 7:24-25
and they are AGAIN called ten "horns/kings" that agree to give their
"power and strength" to the Revelation Beast [Rev 17:12-13] and
they "agree to give their KINGDOM to the Beast" [Rev 17:17]

That is WHY the LAST SAINT had to be "saved/sealed" [Rev 7:1-3]
and the Holy Spirit had to be "taken out of the way" [2Th 2:6-9]
BEFORE Satan could RULE the last "wheat and tares" during the
Revelation Beast/Daniel's Fourth Beast/Great Tribulation Kingdom

-----------------

(6) A little EXTRA education for you:

The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and EVERY TIME the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one four (4) temporal Kingdoms on earth...
OR... it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".
-------------------------------------------------------------
In other words, the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
is also called the one (1) Eternal "Kingdom of God"
more on this interchangeability below
-------------------------------------------------------------
The first four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of each,
with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins" living
during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1-13]
---------------------------------------------------------
The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and EVERY TIME it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
TO BE CLEAR, the "Kingdom of God" IS A SUBSET of the
"Kingdoms of Heaven" since it ONLY includes the saved
"wheat", and none of the unsaved "tares".
---------------------------------
Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.
-----------------------------------
When presented with how the BIBLE DEFINES the
five (5) different "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the one (1)
Eternal "Kingdom of God". Many people are confused when
they see the terms used interchangeably. Remember, when
the CONTEXT of the verse is focused on ONLY the saved,
the Bible can (and does) use the terms interchangeably.
Once this reality is understood, it actually provides a new
(and wonderful) dimension to the way Scripture is written.
-----------------------------------------

Jim
 
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Once again, there are many different peoples in God's Kingdom of Heaven. That doesn't result in many different kingdoms, as you so wrongly presume.
So you think the unsaved Jews and unsaved Christians
are in the ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven"?
No, I REJECT your having more than 1 kingdom of heaven.

God is over all that He created. Everything that He created is included in God's "Kingdom of Heaven". You haven't proven otherwise.

All you've done is note that there are various peoples in God's kingdom.

So you think unsaved Jews and unsaved Christians
are in the ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven"
We've already been over this. There is NO SUCH THING as an "unsaved Christian". Such a claim is preposterous and reveals a very poor grasp of Scripture.

By definition, a Christian is a saved person. I don't care what your opinion is.

And your very long posts don't help you one bit. Just a big word salad.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
No, I REJECT your having more than 1 kingdom of heaven.


Does that ONE Kingdom have saved and unsaved people?
Is that ONE Kingdom temporal or Eternal?


We've already been over this. There is NO SUCH THING as an "unsaved Christian".


That is what YOU say...
the Bible says there are MANY who call Jesus their "Lord"
who are unsaved Christians.


By definition, a Christian is a saved person. I don't care what your opinion is.


No, that is you pretending again.
By DEFINITION a Christian is a person in the Christian Kingdom,
professing Christ as Lord... and that includes many unsaved
"tares" (sown by Satan)... try reading Mat 13:24-30]


Or.... you can continue to make up your own definitions
and pretend that means something.


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No, I REJECT your having more than 1 kingdom of heaven.
Does that ONE Kingdom have saved and unsaved people?
Is that ONE Kingdom temporal or Eternal?
I've already explained this to you. The "Kingdom of Heaven" is everything that God created. If you can't figure out the answer to your questions from that fact, you need help.

That is what YOU say...
the Bible says there are MANY who call Jesus their "Lord"
who are unsaved Christians.
More fallacy. Matt 7:21-23 represents religious people. They are NOT Christians.

But you have perverted the use of the word Christian to fit your unbiblical views.

No, that is you pretending again.
By DEFINITION a Christian is a person in the Christian Kingdom,
professing Christ as Lord... and that includes many unsaved
"tares" (sown by Satan)... try reading Mat 13:24-30]
This is just a pitiful fallacy.
 
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No, I REJECT your having more than 1 kingdom of heaven.


So the (temporal) Pre-Flood Kingdom of saved and unsaved
And the (temporal) Jewish Kingdom of saved and unsaved
And the (temporal) Christian Kingdom of saved and unsaved
And the (temporal) Great Tribulation of saved and unsaved
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Are ALL THE SAME as the ETERNAL Kingdom of ONLY the SAVED
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Well... you are entitled to your own opinion...
no matter how much it contradicts Scripture (and History/reality)


In fact... the Bible PROMISES that only the "wise" will understand
these Biblical mysteries that remained "sealed" to all Saints until
the "wise virgins". [Dan 12:8-10]


So the good news is you are PART of prophecy
But the bad news is you are PART of those who cannot understand.


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So the (temporal) Pre-Flood Kingdom of saved and unsaved
And the (temporal) Jewish Kingdom of saved and unsaved
And the (temporal) Christian Kingdom of saved and unsaved
And the (temporal) Great Tribulation of saved and unsaved
In the world, there are only savee and unsaved people. Obviously.

Well... you are entitled to your own opinion...
ha ha. You're the one with outlandish opinions.

no matter how much it contradicts Scripture (and History/reality)
Yes, your 5 kingdoms do contradict Scripture, or at least cannot be supported by Scripture.
 
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In the world, there are only savee and unsaved people. Obviously.


BTW... notice that (unlike your "opinions")...
my words are supported with SCRIPTURES



In the (1st) Pre-Flood "Kingdom of Heaven" there
were saved and unsaved people. Obviously.


In the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2]
there were saved and unsaved people. Obviously.


In the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13]
there were saved and unsaved people. Obviously.
Jesus called them the "wheat" and "tares"


In the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]
there were saved and unsaved people. Obviously.
Jesus called them the "wise virgins" and "foolish virgins"


In the (5th) ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 8:11]
there are NO UNSAVED PEOPLE... Obviously.
And it is not a temporal Kingdom
like all the previous Kingdoms.


Not only does SCRIPTURE show this reality but HISTORY does also.

(1) First came the Pre-Flood Kingdom
(2) Then came the Jewish Kingdom
(3) Then came the Christian Kingdom
(4) Then came the Great Tribulation Kingdom/Revelation Beasts
(5) Then came the ETERNAL Kingdom


You are not only contradicting SCRIPTURE
you are also contradicting HISTORY (reality)


So you have a "gospel" that does not match Scripture or History.
That is hilarious.


Dan 12:8-10
And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord,
what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go
thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed
till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white,
and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.



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