What to do, since the gaslight is over?

[DaisyDay]

This is evidence of lawfare by members of the Democratic Party.

It really isn't.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Bogus charges and history will prove that to be true.

Right, just like all the evidence of the “rigged election.”

 

[GoldenBoy89]

This is evidence of lawfare by members of the Democratic Party.

I don’t know any of the jurors political affiliations, do you?

 

[Postvieww]

He is a felon. He did try to overturn the election after having lost it not just electorally but in the courts as well.

Actually maybe not. Judge has not yet entered verdict or pronounced sentence. And in light of scotus decision may not do so . Bragg just said he does not oppose a delay until some of this is litigated. So technically and legally Trump is not yet a convicted felon. Sorry to disappoint! Liberals may have to postpone the party.

 

[Postvieww]

I don’t know any of the jurors political affiliations, do you?

The jurors acted on faulty instructions from the judge. The verdict was almost a certainty.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Actually maybe not. Judge has not yet entered verdict or pronounced sentence. And in light of scotus decision may not do so . Bragg just said he does not oppose a delay until some of this is litigated. So technically and legally Trump is not yet a convicted felon. Sorry to disappoint! Liberals may have to postpone the party.

Umm… the conviction already happened. That’s what the trial was for, to determine either guilt or innocence. The jury found him guilty of all charges. That part is over. The sentencing is postponed for now but he is in fact a convicted criminal as far as the courts see him.

Sorry to disappoint.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

The jurors acted on faulty instructions from the judge.

They didn’t seem too confused with their relatively quick deliberation.

The verdict was almost a certainty.

It usually is when the defendant is clearly guilty.

 

[DaisyDay]

what crisis?

The pandemic, duh. He wasn't very adept with hurricane and wildfire relief, either. The economic downturn at the end, after the Obama boom wound down, was alsonot well handled.

And his own personal crisis, losing the election could not have been handled worse.

 

[Postvieww]

Right, just like all the evidence of the “rigged election.”

Liberals have tried their best to “rig” this election. Trying to keep Trump off the ballot, trying to put Trump in jail. Fear mongering about a threat to democracy. All of these designed to interfere with the election. Whatever your view on the 2020 election in relation to ballots the fact is liberals interfered in that election. The suppression and now proven to be lies about Hunters laptop had a favorable effect for Democrats. 51 former intelligence officials knowingly lied about that laptop and by doing so kept relevant information from the voting public.

 

[Postvieww]

Umm… the conviction already happened. That’s what the trial was for, to determine either guilt or innocence. The jury found him guilty of all charges. That part is over. The sentencing is postponed for now but he is in fact a convicted criminal as far as the courts see him.

Sorry to disappoint.

Well you are mistaken, numerous legal commentators have said that technically he is not yet a convicted felon. Yes the verdict is in but that was only one step in the process. Will you still shout convicted felon when this is overturned?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I thought the cities were all burning from the riots Donald's last year.

It's good to see not everyone on the left has drank the kool aid...would you believe that the left wing media tried to paint those riots as "mostly peaceful protests".

Shocking.

I know the economy crashed that year.

Indeed. The pandemic response of "shut down all business" wasn't exactly the best choice imo. I recall small business owners protesting the closure of their businesses and loss of their livelihoods. Unfortunately, there was a picture with a Confederate flag in it at one protest so they were labeled white supremacists....and their concerns summarily dismissed.

Donald was an absolute disaster in a true crisis.

And just when you thought it couldn't get worse....Biden said "hold my beer".

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Well you are mistaken, numerous legal commentators have said that technically he is not yet a convicted felon.

How can that be if they already handed down the conviction? He’s not a sentenced felon, but he is convicted. I’m sorry if this bothers you. It’s just the truth.

Yes the verdict is in but that was only one step in the process.

Right, the step where they convict the defendant. Hence him being convicted.

Will you still shout convicted felon when this is overturned?

No I’ll stop, but until then… he’s a convict.

 

[NxNW]

This is evidence of lawfare by members of the Democratic Party.

There is no such thing.

 

[Pommer]

Actually maybe not. Judge has not yet entered verdict or pronounced sentence. And in light of scotus decision may not do so . Bragg just said he does not oppose a delay until some of this is litigated. So technically and legally Trump is not yet a convicted felon. Sorry to disappoint! Liberals may have to postpone the party.

The “immunity” case that got sent back down to the district court by SCOTUS, (to give Mister Trump “due process”), doesn’t affect this case, since the charges arose from actions the defendant took before he was President, besides which these were state (level) charges.

 

[Pommer]

Trying to keep Trump off the ballot,

The Colorado case was brought about by Republicans.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I know this was directed at another poster, but I'll chime in...

Could you cite specific evidence of that? You say "almost all" so please give a list of cities and their political affiliations.

The cities with the most reports of larger scale damage during the 2020 Floyd protests (some of which turned into rioting/looting) were predominately blue cities with few exceptions.

Violence and controversies during the George Floyd protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is that because blue states have the densest populations?

No, I don't think that was the motivating factor for why blue states had stricter Covid restrictions throughout the pandemic than the red states.

At first, it was a case of it initially being a "red team badge of honor" to reject any an all restrictions (while the blue states opted to defer to the public health officials earlier in the pandemic). The "I'm not afraid of some virus, it's just a flu, freedom over fear!" chest thumping that I'm sure we all remember...

Later in the game, the dynamic shifted, and some blue state governors wanted to pander to the segment of their base who made "how seriously I take covid" a political amulet for "how good of a progressive I am".

So both teams each took a turn outflanking the window of "reasonable" on their respective sides at different points in the pandemic, but I don't think population density was ever a deciding factor in which governors did or didn't extend restrictions past their point of usefulness or practicality.

The "high population density big cities"/"low density rural areas" dynamic exists in both the red and blue states.



In the most basic terms, some red state governors tended to want to pander to these kinds of people early on in the pandemic

(people protesting lockdowns in early-mid 2020)

...and some blue state governors wanted to pander to these types of people later on in the pandemic

(people protesting trying to get mask mandates put back in place in late 2021/early 2022)

 

[DaisyDay]

It's good to see not everyone on the left has drank the kool aid...would you believe that the left wing media tried to paint those riots as "mostly peaceful protests".

The dozen or so riots were not peaceful. Shockingly, too many on the right conflate the riots with the 9,000 mostly peaceful protests. It seems you have joined the conflationists on the right.

Shocking.

Indeed. The pandemic response of "shut down all business" wasn't exactly the best choice imo.

More of a "let it burn!" sort of guy?

I recall small business owners protesting the closure of their businesses and loss of their livelihoods. Unfortunately, there was a picture with a Confederate flag in it at one protest so they were labeled white supremacists....and their concerns summarily dismissed.

Was there really a picture of a Confederate flag at a protest of small business owners? How shockingly trivial. A mere picture of a single secessionist flag at one protest really caused the dismissal of all their concerns! When and where was this? Well no matter, if all their concerns were so sumarily dismissed by ... welll, someone no doubt on the Left somewhere sometime then obviously the convicted felon is the way to go!

And just when you thought it couldn't get worse....Biden said "hold my beer".

Did he now? Heavens to Betsy!!

 

[Reasonably Sane]

The pandemic, duh. He wasn't very adept with hurricane and wildfire relief, either. The economic downturn at the end, after the Obama boom wound down, was alsonot well handled.

And his own personal crisis, losing the election could not have been handled worse.

I see the crisis in the pandemic to have been man made. i.e. it wasn't the pandemic that was the problem. It was the response - at the local levels. Nursing homes, intubators, etc. Thousands were dying in NYC in the first few weeks and then the death rate collapsed. It wasn't because of social distancing, masks or so-called "vaccines".

 

[Vambram]

Democratic Party lawmaker says Trump will win the election and that he is okay with that because democracy in the USA will survive.

Dem lawmaker declares Trump is 'going to win the election' and US democracy will survive

Rep. Jared Golden, D-Maine, said that American democracy will survive Trump as it has previous political shakeups, arguing Congress keeps consistently presidential power in check.

www.foxnews.com

This is an interesting and informative point of view from a congressman from the great state of Maine.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Right, just like all the evidence of the “rigged election.”

Whenever I hear someone use the expression "rigged election", I try to drill down into what they mean by that...

Because "those people claim the election was rigged" has become a blanket expression used to describe a wide array of complaints/concerns ranging from understandable to downright conspiratorial.

And left leaning pundits (I assume intentionally) have done their best to lump them all together as a way of not having to address the concerns that may actually have merit, by portraying them as if they're just as silly as the conspiracy theory ones.

By that, I mean that people who had concerns about the obvious issues with universal mail-in voting, or states changing election rules in violation of their states' constitution had their concerns "lumped in" the same category as the Alex Jones "gay frogs and lizard people were bringing suitcases full of fake votes in the middle of the night" concerns as if both were equally silly and dismissible.