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I have done it. The new Temple is amply prophesied OT and NT = 2Thessalonians 2:4, Revelation 11:1-2
I have done it. The new Temple is amply prophesied OT and NT = 2Thessalonians 2:4, Revelation 11:1-2
Jesus had referred to Daniel the prophet regarding the abomination of desolation. Which is recorded in Daniel 12.The disciples clearly taught that they were living at the end of the ages (1 corinthians 10:11), in the last days (Acts 2:16-17), and that it was the last hour (1 John 2:18)
Depends when the Covenant actually commences.
Jesus had referred to Daniel the prophet regarding the abomination of desolation. Which is recorded in Daniel 12.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Clearly this generation, claninja.
In fact they were. It is a difficult passage until one allows scripture to interpret it...and then it becomes clear.I would ask, how were all of those things not fulfilled in Christ?
Biblewriter you have a loyalty to your theology over scripture. The 144,000 of Revelation represent every believer in Christ...Jew or Gentile. It's simply a shame that you can't see that.(continued from post #373)
This is also stated in Romans 9, where we read:
“25 As He says also in Hosea: ‘I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved.’ ‘26 And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, “You are not My people,” There they shall be called sons of the living God.’ ” (Romans 9:25-26)
In the very place “where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ There they shall be called sons of the living God.” That is the context given by the Holy Spirit himself, speaking through the Apostle Paul, for the words “I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
Now we are not told exactly where Hosea was standing when God told him, “Call his name Lo-Ammi, For you are not My people, And I will not be your God.” (Hosea 1:9) But as he was a prophet of Judah, this would have been said somewhere in Judea, the country now called Israel. So here, in Romans 9:25, which is a quotation from Hosea 1:10, the Holy Spirit clearly said that there was a day coming when, within the physical borders of the modern nation of Israel, the people of Israel “shall be called sons of the living God.”
But this brings us back to the beginnings of this ninth chapter of Romans, where we read:
“1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.” (Romans 9:1-5)
We noticed earlier that this passage clearly defines the people under discussion as Paul’s “brethren,” his “countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites.” Thus, there can be zero question that the people group under discussion is the individuals that made up the fleshly nation of Israel. There is absolutely no way this can be rationally “spiritualized” to mean “the church.” Yet this same people group remains the subject throughout these entire three chapters, for we read of them again in chapter eleven, that, “Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.” (Romans 11:28)
So this entire three chapter section (Romans 9-11) is about the fleshly nation of Israel, who were “enemies” “concerning the gospel.” That is, the people under discussion had not accepted the gospel, and were on their way to a lost eternity. But, even though tthey were “enemies,” yet they were still “beloved for the sake of the fathers.” And then comes a stunning declaration, which is the death forever for the claim that god has permanently rejected Israel. “For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.” (Romans 11:29)
We need to notice that the context of this declaration that “the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable” is the fact that Paul’s “brethren,” his “countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites,” are “enemies” “concerning the gospel.” Yet they “are beloved for the sake of the fathers.”
We are not only explicitly told of the temporary nature of Israel’s rejection, we are also told the reason for this. And again, the words are too plain to misunderstand, unless they are approached by a prejudiced mind. God did not reject Israel in condemnation, but to provoke them to jealousy. This is not a tactic of someone who has stopped loving someone and turned to another. It is a tactic of someone who is still in love, and who is working to win back the love of whoever had spurned their love. So we read:
“19 But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says: ‘I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation, I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.’ ” (Romans 10:19)
And again we read:
“11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! 13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?” (Romans 11:11-15)
So God has not only clearly told us that the reason for Israel’s rejection is only to woo them back to himself. He has just as clearly told us that when he has accomplished that purpose, the result of Israel’s restoration will not mean a loss of blessing to the gentiles, but rather, as it were, a very revival of “life from the dead.”
And we need to notice that this eventual restoration of Israel is not stated here as a new revelation, but rather referred to as a well established fact. The Holy Spirit does not say, “if they are revived, it will be life from the dead,” but “what will their acceptance be but life from the dead.” That is, the Christian’s prior knowledge of this acceptance is simply assumed in this scripture.
And why would this knowledge of Israel’s eventual acceptance be simply assumed here? Because it had already been stated, and explicitly stated, in too many places to count.
A great many of these explicit statements that God will indeed accomplish this purpose of winning back their hearts are in the Old Testament. So they are outside of the subject matter of this article. But concerning these very many Old Testament statements about this, we need to notice what Jesus said concerning the rich man and Lazarus:
“29Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ” (Luke 16:29-31)
So the scriptures warn us that we are responsible to heed the words of “Moses and the prophets.” And in the New Testament, the Holy Spirit clearly refers to these Old Testament prophecies, saying, “19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:19-21)
This future period is here called two things. It is first called “times of refreshing” and then called “the times of restoration of all things.” The Greek word here translated “of refreshing” is “anapsuxeos,” (word number 403 in Strong’s Greek Dictionary,) which properly means a “recovery of breath,” and thus figuratively means “revival.” And the Greek word translated “of restoration” is “apokatastaseos,” (word number 605 in Strong’s Greek Dictionary,) which means “reconstitution.” What we need to realize from this, is that neither of these words means, or even implies, a time of judgment. Both of these words mean a restoration, not a time of destruction. That is, the Holy Spirit, here quoting Peter through Luke, is specifically saying that there is a time coming when all things will be restored, and then explicitly says that this is the time of “which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.”
So here we have a NEW TESTAMENT statement, made after the new covenant was ALREADY in force, that the things “which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began” are still in the future, and will still happen. That is, these MANY promises still apply. These are the promises which, as we previously saw in Romans 9:3-4, still “pertain” to Paul’s “brethren,” his “countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites.”
And finally, there is one more New Testament scripture that mentions this future restoration of Israel.
“27Then Peter answered and said to Him, ‘See, we have left all and followed You. Therefore what shall we have?’ 28So Jesus said to them, ‘Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.’ ” (Matthew 19:27-28)
The Greek word here translated “regeneration” is “paliggenesia.” (word number 3824 in Strong’s Greek Dictionary) In the Greek this is a compound word made by connecting the Greek word “palin,” (word number 3825 in Strong’s Greek Dictionary,) which means “once more,” and the Greek word “genesis,” (word number1078 in Strong’s Greek Dictionary,) which means “nativity,” or “birth.” So once again, this word clearly speaks of a time of restoration, not a time of destruction. But in this time the twelve Apostles “will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Thus we clearly read, in the New Testament, of a future rebirth, in which the twelve apostles will judge “the twelve tribes of Israel.” Not just Judah, but all twelve tribes, just as repeatedly promised in the Old Testament.
So in conclusion, there is simply no rational escape from the fact that, not just the Old Testament, but also the New Testament, clearly and repeatedly states that there is a time coming in the future, in which the ancient nation of Israel will be restored.
You have obviously made up your mind, you don't want a new Temple; even if God does!Keras, I really don't know how to be much clearer, but 2 thessalonians and revelation 11 are not daniel 9. I have repeatedly asked you to provide scripture where the temple is rebuilt a 2nd time, IN DANIEL 9, to support that the temple in daniel 9:26 is different from daniel 9:27.
Strongs Greek Dict; 3485 naos; from prime 'naio'; to dwell. A shrine, a temple. Compare 24112 Thessalonians 2:4: Paul's "naos" spiritual temple
Revelation 11:1-2: John's "naos" spiritual temple
Why then, has God's Covenant promises remained unfulfilled? Hebrews 8:10-12 has simply not happened yet.That would be at Calvary.
From everywhere that Paul and John use "naos".Strongs Greek Dict; 3485 naos; from prime 'naio'; to dwell. A shrine, a temple. Compare 2411
2411 hieron; a sacred place, the precinct's of the Temple.
Where do you get 'spiritual Temple'?
Anyway its rubbish to spiritualize any scripture that can and from other prophesies; WILL be literally fulfilled.
Why then, has God's Covenant promises remained unfulfilled? Hebrews 8:10-12 has simply not happened yet.
But that Greek word doesn't mean a spiritual Temple. Maybe it could, but the context should decide whether it refers to a spiritual or a physical Temple.From everywhere that Paul and John use "naos".
Hebrews 8:6 But in fact the Ministry Jesus has been given is superior to theirs, [Moses'] for He is the Mediator of a better Covenant, established on better Promises. REBibleHeb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
(The verse above was written in the present tense during the first century.)
No, taking these words at face value included realizing God's perspective on them.What you have said is absolutely true. But that is because you have interpreted it. You understand spiritual life and spiritual death, you understand the concept of the resurrection.
To someone who does not know those things, at face value it literally reads you will not die if you believe in jesus.
It does not say believers will sleep and live again, as you are interpreting it to mean.
But that Greek word doesn't mean a spiritual Temple. Maybe it could, but the context should decide whether it refers to a spiritual or a physical Temple.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2, both clearly describe an actual Temple; one that the Gentiles will trample for 42 months and the Anti-Christ will desecrate by sitting in it.
Hebrews 8:6 But in fact the Ministry Jesus has been given is superior to theirs, [Moses'] for He is the Mediator of a better Covenant, established on better Promises. REBible
I note that 'Now' is in the original Greek, but 'was' is not.
The 'Now' of your version does refer to the time after Jesus, but the 'was' is added in by the translators, so a doctrine cannot be established on it.
You haven't bothered to address Hebrews 8:10-12 as they mess up your premise of a Christian believer now being in the full New Covenant. Its so obvious that we have not yet received the pardon for all our sins. The Promise of that, but not the reality, as we continue to live in this wicked world.
Again you are taking a verse out of context and putting it into the future when it has long past history. The generation was the generation that saw the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem, the generation that all the woes in Matthew 23 came on. Those who filled up the measures of their fathers, by cucfying their Messiah.
You haven't bothered to address Hebrews 8:10-12 as they mess up your premise of a Christian believer now being in the full New Covenant.
I note that 'Now' is in the original Greek, but 'was' is not.
The 'Now' of your version does refer to the time after Jesus, but the 'was' is added in by the translators, so a doctrine cannot be established on it.
Its so obvious that we have not yet received the pardon for all our sins
The mystery of lawlessness is already at work. refers to the satanic spirit as in the Prince of the air is at work , the powers of principalities - that conniving spirit that cons people into committing sinful acts .2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who NOW restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
The mystery of lawlessness is already at work. refers to the satanic spirit as in the Prince of the air is at work , the powers of principalities - that conniving spirit that cons people into committing sinful acts .
Only he who NOW restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. ...... refers to those whose presence hold back the total and complete ruthlessness that will take place after he is taken out of the way - the he is STILL restraining as the spiritual sense of lawlessness becomes manifested into the Physical literal realm as the Man of Lawlessness and he will convince people everywhere that he IS God - this is way far more than just some random guy who says that he is God but he is SENT by GOD - No other man in history of earth has been sent by God that will fulfill this future role
You need to include more of the context of what is being revealed
2thes2
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
Anytime you take some verses from a chapter and disregard the relevant connecting scriptures - you will end up with a misunderstanding
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