What think ye of Ezekiel's Temple?

[συνείδησις]

You made a unsupported insinuation of my integrity.
I demand that you prove what I posted was carnal.

Actually saying they are my interpretations, is wrong, as all I did was post the scriptures. Plain reading of them proves that there must be another Temple built and there will be an Altar in it for sacrifices and offerings.

It doesn't have to be supported when it is my opinion. And I know better than to get into a back-and-forth with someone who has a carnal mindset towards prophecy. It takes spiritual discernment to understand what the prophets were seeing, not just reading their words and taking them at face value. Anyone, even an unbeliever, can do that.

 

[David Kent]

• Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,

So in which week was Messiah cut off?

 

[David Kent]

Can anyone tell me who fulfilled each of these six points that were determined, or who will fulfill them

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
1 to finish the transgression, and
2 to make an end of sins, and
3 to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4 to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5 to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6 to anoint the most Holy.

Thanks

 

[jgr]

Regardless of whether the correct translation is "and" or "then," the order in which the prophecy is given is 69 weeks, the destruction of the city and the sanctuary, and then we one more week. This is why both the oldest surviving Christian commentary on Bible prophecy (of any significant length) and the oldest surviving Christian commentary on scripture clearly teach that the seventieth week remained to be fulfilled in the future.

The posited approximately 500-year postponement date of Irenaeus and his pupil Hippolytus came and went uneventfully.

They were the only scholars of significance in over 1800 years of Church history to suffer from postponement delusion.

 

[keras]

Daniel 11:31 is an interesting. Would you like to expound it in connection with the verses before and after, and not just take one verse and make a doctrine out of it? In fact why not expound the whole chapter?

I see Daniel 11:1-20, as past history.
Daniel 11:21-45 Now the Leader of the future One World Government comes onto the scene: His army will be victorious and a leader of the Covenant people will be killed. The military forces of the South will be defeated and he will invade the Middle East, Zechariah 14:1-2, but ships of the Western nations will oppose him, so he will turn back. In the holy Land, he will vent his fury against the people who hold to the Covenant, but will show favor to those who forsake it by believing his promises. Revelation 12:6-17 His soldiers will desecrate the Temple, setting up an ‘abomination of desolation’. Those of the Lord’s people [Christians] who remain faithful to the Lord, will be resolute and take action. Wise leaders of the nation will guide their people, though for a time some may be killed or captured. They will receive a little help,as many who join them are insincere. This is a period of testing, of refining and purification, for the end is yet to be; at the appointed time. Daniel 7:9, Daniel 8:22, Rev. 13:8

Daniel 11:36-45 This powerful world ruler will do as he pleases, he will promote himself as god, Revelation 13:13-15, uttering terrible blasphemies. Things will go well for him until the time of wrath is completed. [The Great Tribulation of the Seven Trumpets and Seven Bowls] Near the end, the leader of a Southern confederation will attempt to attack him, so he storms out in full force, sweeping all before him, including the holy Land. He will take control of all Arabia and take their treasure. Then, alarmed by rumors from the North and East, he will hurriedly go back to Israel and camp in the valley of Megiddo, where he will meet his end. Daniel 7:11, Revelation 19:17-21

 

[keras]

It doesn't have to be supported when it is my opinion. And I know better than to get into a back-and-forth with someone who has a carnal mindset towards prophecy. It takes spiritual discernment to understand what the prophets were seeing, not just reading their words and taking them at face value. Anyone, even an unbeliever, can do that.

So then, instead of pointing the finger at me, explain to us all how we should read the prophesies I posted.
Our Bibles are not written incomprehensibly, we can plainly read the Words. Spiritualizing, or saying; 'rightly dividing' scripture, is just a way for those with another agenda to overcome truths that don't suit them.
You want to avoid proper discussion, because you can see you might lose. Shame!

 

[ebedmelech]

I think it because God plainly says He will require a new Temple, where His faithful Christian people will worship Him in spirit and in truth, making thank offerings and asking forgiveness for sins.

1 Corinthians 3:16
16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

We are told that during this age of Church dispensation, Christ is our high priest and we are the spiritual Temple, 2 Cor. 6:16 and no sacrifices are required. Hosea 9:4

The purpose of the temple was to look to the coming of Christ Keras.
Hebrews 9:23-28

Hebrews 9 & 10:1-21 is the scriptures that clearly tell us that Jesus made the once and forever sacrifice for the expiation of our sins. Now there is no Temple and Christians are His ‘body’ on earth. This is just for the time from the early church until the new Temple is built, when there will again be offerings and thanksgiving gifts made by the Lord’s holy people. Daniel 12:1, Revelation 7:9-14

Read all of Hebrews 9 Keras...also recall what Jesus said at John 2:19:
19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Jesus is the fulfillment of the temple, and you simply cannot embrace that fact.

Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 9:26-27 tells us how, in the last days, an invading leader will make a peace treaty with the holy people, but will break it and put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. Obviously there will be sacrifices and offerings taking place, for him to stop them.
This is confirmed by the prophesies detailing how it will be during the period the righteous Faithful Christian peoples of God will be living the Land before the Return of Jesus:

Psalm 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favor to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered in Your altar.

Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.

Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day.

Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details of and the dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the Temple.

Zechariah 14:21…all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……
Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple.

The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period before the Return of Jesus. What will happen during the Millennium isn’t told to us, although there will be priest’s then. Revelation 20:6 But we know there will be no Temple in Eternity. Revelation 21:22

Do you not realize you're trying to apply scriptures that refer to the destruction of Solomon's Temple under Nebuchadnezzar, as well as scriptures that refer to the church as the temple?

Try Romans 12:1-2 and get the understanding that we are the offerings to God, instead of animals. When Christ made the ultimate sacrifice, Matthew 27:50 tells us the curtain at the entrance of the Holy of Holies was torn in half, which signified that God would no longer meet with the High priest as Christ had become our High Priest.

Brother you're simply confounding the facts of scripture!

 

[keras]

Brother you're simply confounding the facts of scripture!

Another blast of hot air!
I posted the facts of scripture. Many prophesies that clearly talk about a new Temple in Jerusalem.
A Temple to be built by the Lord's Christian people, then living in all of the holy Land.

You, like most here, confuse the current situation, where we Christians are the Spiritual Temple of the Lord. This isn't permanent, and as the Church age draws to a close, it will change; just as prophesied.

 

[jgr]

Another blast of hot air!
I posted the facts of scripture. Many prophesies that clearly talk about a new Temple in Jerusalem.
A Temple to be built by the Lord's Christian people, then living in all of the holy Land.

You, like most here, confuse the current situation, where we Christians are the Spiritual Temple of the Lord. This isn't permanent, and as the Church age draws to a close, it will change; just as prophesied.

Still no understanding of the meaning of wills and testaments, and how the death of Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator (Hebrews 9:16-17), has irrevocably taken away the old will and testament to establish His New Will and Testament (Hebrews 10:9).

If you were to update your own will and testament, would you expect the previous one to be still in effect?

Evidently you would.

But no law court in the world would agree.

 

[keras]

If you were to update your own will and testament, would you expect the previous one to be still in effect?

Wills are under probate until all the conditions are settled.
The conditions for the conferment of the New Covenant remain unfulfilled until all the Lord's faithful Christian people are living in all of the holy Land, as all of Jeremiah 30 and 31 attests.

 

[Biblewriter]

It doesn't have to be supported when it is my opinion. And I know better than to get into a back-and-forth with someone who has a carnal mindset towards prophecy. It takes spiritual discernment to understand what the prophets were seeing, not just reading their words and taking them at face value. Anyone, even an unbeliever, can do that.

"Reading their words and taking then at fact value" is called believing. That is what God requires of us.

 

[BABerean2]

You, like most here, confuse the current situation, where we Christians are the Spiritual Temple of the Lord. This isn't permanent, and as the Church age draws to a close, it will change; just as prophesied.

Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
(Quoted from the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.


Heb 13:20 Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

How long is "everlasting"?

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[συνείδησις]

Wills are under probate until all the conditions are settled.
The conditions for the conferment of the New Covenant remain unfulfilled until all the Lord's faithful Christian people are living in all of the holy Land, as all of Jeremiah 30 and 31 attests.

Actually a covenant is not a last will and testament. That is an unfortunate misunderstanding created by the Roman church. It is a contract or agreement between two parties that is in full force once the covenant victim dies.

 

[Davy]

The "temple of God" Apostle Paul referred to in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the coming Antichrist is about a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem at the end of this present world, just prior to Christ's return. It will be built by deceived Jews, as they already today have the materials ready to build it and temple artifacts required per the OT. This temple will not be the Ezekiel 40-47 temple which Jesus will build when He returns.

The Daniel 11 prophecy requires a standing temple in Jerusalem where the "abomination that maketh desolate" will be placed in false worship. That is the temple for the end the Antichrist will use.

As for the confusion that Paul meant the Church as the spiritual temple in 2 Thess.2:4, that idea is from men trying to add it to that Scripture in order to deceive brethren away from the meaning of the "abomination of desolation" event for the end of this world.

It is impossible for the Antichrist to sit in the spiritual temple of Christ, because the spiritual temple cannot be corrupted, for its foundation is made up of the Apostles and prophets and us as lively stones, with Jesus as its Chief Cornerstone. If any one tried to corrupt the spiritual temple, they are simply cut off from it. This is another reason why we know Paul was speaking of a literal physical temple in Jerusalem with the 2 Thess.2:4 phrase "temple of God".

 

[claninja]

Messiah was to come after the 62 weeks, which were to be after the 7 weeks. (69 weeks total) After that, the city and the sanctuary (which is the temple) were to be destroyed. (verse 26) But then verse 27 says that one more week was to ensue. And in the middle of that week. "He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering." But such sacrifices and offerings could only be offered in a temple. So verse 27 does indeed reveal a new temple, after the one in verse 26 was destroyed.

Daniel 9:26 = Daniel 9:27, Why?
1.) It's a 70 week prophecy, not a 285+week prophecy
2.) There is no rebuilding of Jerusalem and the temple between daniel 9:26 and daniel 9:27
3.) Christ confirmed a covenant with his blood and ended the need for sacrificing.
4.) both verse talking about the 'end' that is decreed.
5.) It's feasible that this is hebrew parallelism
6.) just as the anointed is cut off (Jesus crucified) after the 69 weeks, in the 70th week, and the temple destroyed 40 years later, so to Jesus confirmed a covenant, ending the need for sacrifices, with his blood, in the 70th week, and the temple was destroyed 40 years later

Daniel 9:26a And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing.
Daniel 9:27a And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week,g and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering

Daniel 9:26b And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Itsf end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed
Daienl 9:27b And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolate one.”

 

[claninja]

Those Temple deniers here need to, must; properly address these plainly stated scriptures, BEFORE making insinuations against those who say there will be another Temple in Jerusalem.
I will refute any attempts to spiritualize, allegorize, or throw then into the history bin.

Hebrews 10:1 The Law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves.

All the verses you posted are only shadows of Christ, not the true realities. Please provide New testament scripture, which is the true reality of the old testament, to support your belief that the animal sacrifices will resume in the future.


what peter spiritualized can be applied to all OT prophecies of a future 'temple' and 'sacrifices'. Why? because what peter stated, by the Holy Spirit, is the true reality, of which the old was only a shadow.

1 Peter 2:4-5 As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

 

[claninja]

We would now ask Clainjia to retract his accusations.

What accusation? I simply asked you to provide scripture, within the context of Daniel 9, that shows the temple and jerusalem are rebuilt a second time to support the claim that the temple in Daniel 9:26 is different than Daniel 9:27. This you still haven't done, by the way.

 

[David Kent]

It is impossible for the Antichrist to sit in the spiritual temple of Christ, because the spiritual temple cannot be corrupted, for its foundation is made up of the Apostles and prophets and us as lively stones, with Jesus as its Chief Cornerstone. If any one tried to corrupt the spiritual temple, they are simply cut off from it. This is another reason why we know Paul was speaking of a literal physical temple in Jerusalem with the 2 Thess.2:4 phrase "temple of God".

Are you suggesting that the Church has not been corrupted by the papal Antichrist and those semi papal churches that follow him, like those in Churches together. Why did millions of Christian Martyrs die undef the hands of a "church" if the spiritual temple had not been corrupted?

 

[claninja]

"Reading their words AND taking then at fact value" is called believing. That is what God requires of us.

Let's take Jesus' words at face value:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

If I read this at face value, it literally reads as if when I believe in Jesus, I will not die but live forever.

I know a lot of believers who have died. So should we take this at face value or do we have to interpret this.

All scripture must be interpreted. The Jews, reading scripture at face value, didn't realize who Jesus was and rejected him.

 

[Davy]

Are you suggesting that the Church has not been corrupted by the papal Antichrist and those semi papal churches that follow him, like those in Churches together. Why did millions of Christian Martyrs die undef the hands of a "church" if the spiritual temple had not been corrupted?

Any believer that falls away into corruption does not corrupt the spiritual temple, because the spiritual temple is not a Church building or system of man made with hands. It is a Heavenly temple, made in Heaven, and cannot be corrupted. So a believer that goes corrupt is simply 'cut off' from the spiritual temple in Heaven. Their name is simply wiped out of the Book.

Likewise, the coming Antichrist cannot corrupt the spiritual temple either. If a believer falls to worship that coming false one, they are only cutting themselves off from Christ's Salvation, and thus the spiritual temple also.

Also, if anyone believes our Lord Jesus' Salvation can be corrupted, or changed in any way, then it would mean we have no Salvation in Him, and that is to make Him a liar. One our Lord Jesus' strongest warnings for the end was to not allow any man to deceive us. Why? because that is how we can get cut off from Him, the door closing on us when He comes, like in Matt.25.

This is how we can know that whoever came up with that idea that Paul was speaking of the spiritual temple in 2 Thess.2:4, that they were pushing a doctrine of devils, because the coming Antichrist playing God cannot sit in the spiritual temple in Heaven which only Christ Jesus can reside over. It should be very simple to know that point.

Thus, the only alternative for interpreting the "temple of God" Paul was revealing the man of sin will sit in to play God, is that it will be a literal physical temple built in Jerusalem for the last days of this present world, in the generation that will see Christ's 2nd coming.