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Featured What think ye of Ezekiel's Temple?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Hiscosmicgoldfish3, May 31, 2018.

  1. Danoh

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    Both of those were spoken as a condemnation of what Israel's spiritual ruling class had made of The Temple the Lord Himself had at first described as "My Father's House" and then described it as "your house" when He walked out of it, much like how the Shekinah Glory left The Temple centuries earlier, given Israel's having turned from the God of their fathers, back then also.

    In contrast, God had not said that in the same sense to David, when David first approached Him about building Him a Temple.

    And later, God was VERY hands on Himself in many aspects of its building, under David's son, Solomon.

    But anyway, note what God said to him...

    1 Kings 6:11 And the word of the LORD came to Solomon, saying, 6:12 Concerning this house which thou art in building, if thou wilt walk in my statutes, and execute my judgments, and keep all my commandments to walk in them; then will I perform my word with thee, which I spake unto David thy father: 6:13 And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will not forsake my people Israel. 6:14 So Solomon built the house, and finished it.

    In contrast, to say, the Spirit's context through Stephen...

    Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. 7:45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David; 7:46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob. 7:47 But Solomon built him an house. 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things? 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

    Rom. 5:6-8.
     
  2. Danoh

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    "Credible solutions" often appear to be the case only in the absence of looking at a thing from within a much wider frame of reference.

    Rom. 5:6-8
     
  3. ralliann

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    I am not sure I am quite grasping your point but, I must ask....
    Condemnation of the ruling class?????
    Did Solomon walk in his statutes, do his judgements, all his commandments to walk in them?
    1Ki 11:11 Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.
    1Ki 11:31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
    So how was Solomon concerning the temple any more righteous in ruling than those which you say were condemned as their house?
     
  4. keras

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    All Israel since Jesus came and extended His Salvation to all, is every person who has accepted Jesus' Salvation and been born again in His Spirit. Galatians 3:26-29 & 6:16
    Those who call themselves Jews, but are not.....Revelation 2:9 face Judgement and only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27

    Will there be sacrifices in the new Temple?
    The Lord’s righteous people will go to live in all of the Holy Land, every faithful Christian, from every race, nation and language, soon after it is cleared and cleansed by the Lord’s Day of wrath against the nations, the Sixth Seal event. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Isaiah 63:1-6, +
    They will build a new Temple in Jerusalem. Many Old Testament prophesies attest to this, how it will be built by men from far away, Zephaniah 6:15, and it will be greater than the former ones. Haggai 2:9
    The New Testament too, makes it clear there will be a Temple, 2 Thess. 2:4, Rev. 11:1-2, until the end of the Millennium, when God Himself will be the Temple. Revelation 21:22

    We are told that during this age of Church dispensation, Christ is our high priest and we are the spiritual Temple, 2 Cor. 6:16 and no sacrifices are required. Hosea 9:4

    Hebrews 9 & 10:1-21 is the scriptures that clearly tell us that Jesus made the once and forever sacrifice for the expiation of our sins. Now there is no Temple and Christians are His ‘body’ on earth. This is just for the time from the early church until the new Temple is built, when there will again be offerings and thanksgiving gifts made by the Lord’s holy people. Daniel 12:1, Revelation 7:9-14

    Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 9:26-27 tells us how, in the last days, an invading leader will make a peace treaty with the holy people, but will break it and put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. Obviously there will be sacrifices and offerings taking place, for him to stop them.
    This is confirmed by the prophesies detailing how it will be during the period the righteous people of God will be living the Land before the Return of Jesus:

    Psalm 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favour to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered on Your Altar.

    Isaiah 56:1-8 ….all who give their allegiance to Me...I shall give them joy at My House of prayer, their offerings will be acceptable on My Altar.....

    Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.

    Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day.

    Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details of and the dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the Temple.

    Zechariah 14:21all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……

    Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple.

    The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period before the Return of Jesus. What will happen regarding sacrifices, during the Millennium isn’t told to us, although there will be priest’s then. Revelation 20:6 But we know there will be no Temple in Eternity. Revelation 21:22
     
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    Just giving you what I think could be a fulfillment of 2 thess.

    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
    This could be the Images of the leader of the revolt from Rome placed on coins they minted. One specifically has his image as a star over the temple with the ark of the covenant and mercy seat inside.
    It was an image to proclaim bar kochba the redeemer of Israel in the star prophecy. Proclaimed messiah by Akiba...…..the father of post temple Judaism, leader of the Sanhedrin formed at Yavneh after the temple was destoryed.
    Some excerpts from this site as follows. kosiba means star.....
    I have bolded certain points.
    www.livius.org/.../messiah/messianic-claimant-18-simon-ben-kosiba
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    Literary motifs: Balaam's prophecy
    As we have already seen above, the book of Numbers contained the prophecy of Balaam:

    I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star shall come out of Jacob and a scepter will rise out of Israel. It shall crush the foreheads of Moab and break down all the sons of Sheth. Edom shall be dispossessed.note
    Although the writer - or editor - of Numbers seems to have had king Josiah in mind when he composed these lines, from the second century onward, this text was interpreted as a prediction of the coming of the Messiah. Take, for example, the interpretation of this line in the text known as the Testament of Judah.

    And after this there shall arise for you a star from Jacob in peace. And a man shall arise from my posterity like the sun of righteousness, walking with the sons of men in gentleness and righteousness, and in him will be found no sin. And the heavens will be opened upon him to pour out the spirit as a blessing of the holy Father. And he will pour out the spirit of grace on you. This is the shoot of God most high; this is the fountain of life of all humanity. Then he will illumine the scepter of my kingdom, and from your root will arise the shoot, and through it will arise the rod of righteousness for the nations, to judge and to save all that call on the Lord.

    Curious were you aware of these things? Kosiba was the 2nd Messiah to mint coins. The first was simon ben giora.
    2 Messiah's no problem.
    The 1st suffering Messiah is to die. This is Messiah ben Joseph.
    The 2nd Messiah, Messiah ben David, The king Messiah who conquers.
    So why would an image on a coin of these Messiahs with images of themselves with regards to Gods temple and boasting proclamations of redemption not fit the bill here? Whether in actuality or in writing and images what difference does it make?
    Lu 20:24 Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar’s.
     
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    There was what was promised Solomon should he not depart from The Law, and there was what he was warned of, should he do so.

    Which differs from when God said what He said to David about His not dwelling in a House made with hands.

    In other words, in between the of David's saying to the LORD that he wanted to build Him a House, and its' actual building, it is clear that God was happy with David's having wanted to build Him a House.

    And God obviously knew David would end up at a place spiritually that God would not allow him to build it. Just as He knew Solomon would turn from Him and warned him.

    But God promised David a huge blessing for His having wanted to build it.

    2 Samuel 7:5 Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in? 7:6 Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7:7 In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, Why build ye not me an house of cedar?

    That is actually God being delighted with "the apple of His eye" once more.

    Result of that delight?

    7:8 Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel: 7:9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth. 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, 7:11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house. 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever. 7:17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

    As for Acts 7, the Spirit was addressing Israel's fallen spiritual leaders.

    Acts 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel.

    Acts 7:1 Then said the high priest, Are these things so?

    And you see this?

    Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

    The Lord said that same thing to Israel's fallen spiritual leaders...

    Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

    In other words, when God said those words to David about His not having to dwell in a House made with hands, He had said it in the delight of a father towards his son's desiring to honor him.

    At the same time, built into that was His foreknowledge that Israel's having built that Temple with their hands would go to their heads. So there is also that aspect of it.

    John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

    Their heart had been the following...

    Mark 11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

    And that is the sense of the Spirit's Words to Israel's fallen spiritual leadership through Stephen as that one year period spoken of in the following comes to a head.

    Luke 13:6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. 13:7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? 13:8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: 13:9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down. 13:10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.

    Acts 17:11, 12
     
  7. BABerean2

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    "the Shekinah Glory" ???



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    Bar Kochbar is past history. He was another type of false Messiah.
    Plainly he did not fulfil the prophecy of the Anti-Christ sitting in the Temple, as there was no Temple then. But there will be by the time the final AC arises.

    Balaam prophesied about Jesus. His soon to happen; judgement of the nations, the Lord's Day of wrath. Numbers 24:17-19
     
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    It is Christ Jesus which was promised David, we are all his house.
     
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    Bar kochba was future at the time these things were said.
    I ask what is the difference between the image of Bar kochba sitting above the temple and him sitting in a literal temple? Were the people able to see it? Were the declarations proclaimed of him not boasting? There is nothing I can see which forces a literal temple, rather that is an interpretation of that passage. Also there were references to the end of the age, these last days, and this generation shall not pass comments.
    Pentecost was the last days which were prophesied...….
    Ac 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    Where is the expectation of a third temple in these passages?
    Mt 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
    Mt 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
     
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    Wow, Thank you for the video, I did not know this. The same star trek hand sign is the one Rabbinic Judaism claims were used in the priestly blessing. They use it today for the benediction.
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    All of the prophecies regarding Israel as a nation have been fulfilled. Some had their fulfillment in the past (before the coming of Christ) and others were fulfilled during His sojourning with us. Sometimes the same prophecy (partially or fully) applied both ways. Many prophecies have yet a third fulfillment that is diachronic (= does not change by the passage of time). They are fulfilled in the spiritual Israel, individually or collectively, and our spiritual state is the condition that ‘activates’ them, not time. I'm sorry I can't give an example right now, maybe later.
     
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    The above law from Leviticus screams the mystery of our salvation from the leprosy of sin, through Christ. He is the truly alive and clean bird that came down from heaven and became man; two birds to represent the two natures of Christ. The human nature being of course the bird that was killed on the wood of the cross. It is made of cedar, a wood that doesn’t rot, since like cedar, His humanity did not suffer corruption, but He raised it up on the third day. He is truly God and truly man, having both a human body and a human soul, the scarlet* (embodied) fabric (soul). He baptizes us with running water, and with the Holy Spirit and with fire, the hyssop. Hyssop is an aromatic and ‘warming’ medicine appropriate for cold and flu ailments, an appropriate symbol for the Holy Spirit. We are sprinkled seven times as if completely and to signify the gifts of the Holy Spirit that the faithful receive. The loosing of the living bird to the open field is symbolic of His ascension to Heaven.

    A lot of people find fault with this sort of interpretation, calling it spiritualizing in a derogatory sense. I'm simply following what scripture says, namely that the law is spiritual (Romans 7:14) and that the mere letter kills (2 Corinthians 3:6) and should therefore be spiritually interpreted.

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    * scarlet, i.e. red for the blood, which represents the body.
     
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    Thanks. I myself am somewhat unclear on this. So I do appreciate differing views.
     
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    No not really , there are more to be fulfilled , Jesus returns to Israel , and before that a temple will be built in Israel, which will be defiled and destroyed , but before that can happen it will be built
     
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    2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
    2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
    2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.



    2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
    2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

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    Happened?????????
    Mr 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.
    Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
    Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body
    You know it just now occurred to me.....considering the ekklesia being the body or temple of Christ...….
    10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
    11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
    12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.


    Speaking of the heavenly things...……….
    Re 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
    Pauls ministry was to men of all nations...……….
     
  18. Danoh

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    Lol, I , swear, its as if you are ever lurking about just waiting for an excuse to post another video by a source often proven less than credible.

    Well, you did not fail to disappoint once more.

    Here, try some actually sound teaching on the subject of Jehovah's Shekinah Glory:

    YEHOVAH's Shekinah Glory

    Rom. 5:6-8.
     
  19. Danoh

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    Yep, just force into being one and the same thing various passages speaking of different things, timings, etc.

    At least you are consistent, lol

    Rom. 5:6-8.
     
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    If you read ALL of as in ALL of the bible and accept what it says -
    You will see that prophecy tells us that there will be another temple built
    it is baffling why you and others insist that a temple will not be built when scripture says there will be another temple -
    you can cherry pick scripture all you want , but leaving out scripture does not mean it will not happen , there will be a temple built soon that will be destroyed , then in the distant future there will be another temple where the messiah will be
     
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